Non lead ammo

[el hunter]

sst hornady shotgun slug is this a non lead slug. Were can i find a chart for non lead any info thanks.

 

[palladin]

DFG Info on the Condor Zone:

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/hunting/condor/

DFG Certified non-lead ammo list:

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/hunting/condor/certifiedammo.html

 

[el hunter]

thank you.

 

[myfriendis410]

And, to answer your other question: No it's NOT.

 

[el hunter]

thanks again

 

[DirtyDave]

12ga Un-leaded slugs that I have used are the Federal/Barnes, the Remington Copper Solids, and the Winchester XP3

 

[Caninelaw]

Copper slugs that I am aware of:

Remington Copper Solids - about $16 to $18 a box depending on load and where you get them - ($3.20 - $3.60 a round)

Federal Barnes Expanders - about $14 to $18 a box depending on load and where you get them - ($2.80 - $3.60 a round)

Winchester Supreme XP3 - about $15 to $19 a box depending on where you get them - ($3 to $3.80 a round)

Ka-ching!!! I figure it would probably take $70 to $90 to get sighted in and do a little practice.

 

[DirtyDave]

Yeah they really punish your wallet and shoulder hahaha

 

[ltdann]

There are also Dupleks, which are solid steel and on the approved list. Never used them or know anyone that has.

When slug gunning, its hard to pull the trigger and not hear the cash register noise in your head.

 

[myfriendis410]

That's true, but think of all of the other expenses incurred before you pull the trigger. Besides; how much is a two day pass at Disneyland? Which would you rather do? Hunt for a weekend or ride the Matterhorn? With fuel costs, lodging, license fees, food, gear etc. it's not like you're trying to save money to fill the freezer. (Don't tell my wife) Really, the ammo is your least expense. Now, if you were paying for performance that would be different, but you're not. (as Dan could attest)

 

[Caninelaw]

That's true, but think of all of the other expenses incurred before you pull the trigger. Besides; how much is a two day pass at Disneyland? Which would you rather do? Hunt for a weekend or ride the Matterhorn? With fuel costs, lodging, license fees, food, gear etc. it's not like you're trying to save money to fill the freezer. (Don't tell my wife) Really, the ammo is your least expense. Now, if you were paying for performance that would be different, but you're not. (as Dan could attest)

Good point. I think most of the protestations on using un-leaded ammo comes from performance more then price (although price, obviously, doesn't help things). I haven't heard too much about copper slug performance vs.lead slug performance but when you go to centerfire rifle, well, I'm sure you've all heard the stories of poor bullet performance vs. lead bullets. If these rounds performed as good as comparable lead rounds the price would probably go down to more of an annoyance rather then a concern. Its kind of like paying Porsche prices and getting Yugo performance. How happy would you be with that?

in addition is the very questionable science behind the un-leaded laws, but that's a whole other thread.

 

[LuckyGunner]

If these rounds performed as good as comparable lead rounds the price would probably go down to more of an annoyance rather then a concern. Its kind of like paying Porsche prices and getting Yugo performance.

That's been the most annoying issue I've had with the lead free zones. While I don't like paying extra for the ammo. It would be ok if I was getting superior performance.

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[ImaTeamRoper2]

but yer not

 

[ltdann]

As 410 indicated, terminal performance and slug gunning is a huge deal to me. Primarily because in the last 6 years or so, all my deer have come out of shotgun-only areas.

There are a limited number of lead-free options available to us. My 11-87 hates the Xp3's, it shoots marginally accurately the Federal/Barness TTSX's and that's where I'm at. I sit here at my desk and have before me a perfectly mushroomed winchester supreme lead partion slug, one mushroomed barnes slug and another barnes slug that never opened.

Probably the nicest thing I can say about Barnes 12ga slugs is its a marginal performer. When you hit a deer with 380 grns of anything, you expect it to fall down. That has not been my expierence with Barnes.

I found the same to be true with the Barnes rifle rounds and solved my accuracy and terminal performance problems with the really fine nosler e-tip.

One of these days, I'll get around to trying the copper solids and the duplek's, but at the price per shot, I'm in no hurry. Now, I just get really close before pulling the trigger.

 

[myfriendis410]

Once again I'm going to weigh in. The Barnes (I can only report on 'cause that's all I've killed stuff with) works excellent. It's accurate in my rifles (granted; with a fair amount of work) and it hits really hard. I'm trying to think if I've ever lost an animal I shot with a Barnes. I shoot it out of preference. I even took it to Wyoming for mule deer and elk and it worked flawlessly. I've shot BIG hogs with it and most were DRT. I like 100% weight retention and a long shank; they tend to travel without yawing (is that a word?) When they hit bone it's a sight to behold. I don't shoot a shotgun (I shoot a muzzleloader) so I can't speak to that, but the TMZ and TEZ in the Omega has also worked exceptionally well.

But hey! That's just me and what do I know? I've only shot 40 or 50 animals with them........(really)

 

[ltdann]

Hey, you brought it up! I wasn't gonna say anything, but nooooo....why ya gottagothere?

 

[Willies270]

Personally, I have shot the BARNES from my rifle, shotgun and muzzle-loader and I can tell you they are worst thing you can put through your barrel, IMO. I shoot the E-tips and have had great success on deer and plenty of sows, but I believe the post was on slugs, so give the Winchester XP3 a try. I am shooting the 3" XP3 - 2100 FPS - 300gr in my 12ga mossberg. I haven't shot 40-50 animals with them, but I have taken some sows this year and it dumps them like nothing.I just picked up a couple of boxes from "Cheaper Than Dirt" for $11.47 a box, so give them a try.Good Luck !

 

[ltdann]

Gotta shoot what the shotgun likes. In my case, the shotgun liked the barnes, so I deal with the other issues. Your shotgun will be different from everbody else's. Gotta try 'em, one by one, till you get a winner.

 

[myfriendis410]

I think there would be a market for a gilding metal jacket, TIN core shotgun slug for the lower impact velocities. Tin is non toxic and should upset (expand) just like lead, or at least close to lead.

Is anybody in the business of making bullets (Hornady, Barnes, Nosler) listening?

 

[oakey]

I half to agree with you willies270 Barnes are the WORST I would not shoot them in any gun I have I would agree with you on the XP3 we are going out this weekend to the flying V it borders my buddys ranch hope I can find a few sows prefer them over boars. I will try and video tape the hunt we have been seeing alot of hogs hard to sneek up on them with the deep canyons and get close enough seeing alot of bucks opening day of A- zone is coming