Non-residents can now hunt California elk

[mccoycoffee]

Also drew a tule elk last year in a unit where points don't matter (only 1 tag). Apply, Apply, Apply!

 

[BOWUNTR]

Not to beat a dead horse, anymore! But, the title of this post is about N/R's. You guys that drew are residents and have a lot better chance to draw with no points than the N/R's will. Apply, apply, apply... I hope to draw a Ca roosie tag someday!! I also agree that if you are buying a N/R Ca hunting license to hunt other species, than apply. Also the ONE N/R elk tag could be an American or Roosevelt tag.

I guarantee you that in Garth Carters Huntin Fool, he'll say the same thing. Save your $121.55 (N/R license fee), unless you are all ready buying a license anyways.

My last

Ed F

 

[camo snob]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (EL CAZADOR @ Sep 30 2006, 12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

to fix the elk license tag fee for a nonresident of the state at
not less than $1050.[/b]

You can keep your stupid elk for $1050. That is some BULLSHIT!!! Ain't NO wild animal worth $1050 just to pull the trigger, not to mention the other hunting expenses.

 

[Backcountry]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (camo snob @ Oct 4 2006, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

You can keep your stupid elk for $1050. That is some BULLSHIT!!! Ain't NO wild animal worth $1050 just to pull the trigger, not to mention the other hunting expenses.

[/b]

I see you have strong feelings about this issue... if you feel so strongly, be sure to write Nevada and tell them how you feel (elk = $1,200; sheep = $1,200; goat = $1,200).

You post would make more sense if you qualified your outrage by indicating no wild animal is worth $1,050 to you. Thousands of people, blue collar people, have the funds to spend on hunts for premium animals in premium zones. If elk tags cost $50 and everyone could buy them, there wouldn't be any more elk. Who's going to pay the biologists? Who's going to pay ranches to allow elk to live on their land (competeing with the cattle industry)? Who's going to pay the game wardens to keep poachers from running off with every animal in sight?

I'm not saying that California Depertment of Fish & Game is the best run government agency, but I think the fees set for non-residents are in keeping with fees set by other states for non-residents, and they are justified when considering the dismal support the State's general fund provides the DFG.

My two-cents, you're welcome to your own opinion...

Backcountry

p.s. Swearing ain't allowed on these boards... please keep it clean.

 

[Speckmisser]

In consideration of the cost of that NR tag... and NOT considering the likelihood of ever getting drawn... it's actually a pretty good deal, since most CA elk can be hunted very effectively without the services of a professional guide or expensive tresspass fees. Success on bull elk in CA is very high for the most part (80-100% in several areas).

Which means that, should the lottery gods strike, an out-of-state hunter can draw for, hunt, and successfully take a quality bull elk for the price of travel, the $1050 tag, and a $125 license. When you think about it... it's really a bargain as out of state elk hunting goes.

 

[DAWG]

I think it is only fair to give nonresidents the chance at a tule elk for a price a common man can afford. The tag fee is not an issue for a working man, you just have to have proporities. To me, the price of a new car or truck is totally rediculous, so I drive an old junker and apply for every out of state big game tag possible. The CA nonresident sheep tag is dirt cheap compared to other states. The only problem might be forking out the nonresident license fee for the rest of your life without a realistic chance of drawing a tag ever. But I have wasted that amount on a single night's bar bill more than I care to admit. But if I could get a tule elk tag for a grand, I would jump at the chance. By the way, my checking account was down to just $64 today, the day before payday. But I did just drop off my daughter to college two weeks ago, and had to buy her a bunch of stuff.

 

[el_vaquero]

For those from out of state that think California is being too strict by only issuing one tag for each I have a propsition for you.

You can move here and apply for one of the few tags available to residents. I will move there so that I may apply for a resident tag. I'll even sweeten the pot...you can move into my way overpriced home and I will move into yours (of course, you will have to write me a check for the price difference).

This way, you will have a much better chance of drawing a tag here in Ca and I can get away from all the freaking liberals. Sounds like a fair trade to me........

 

[el_vaquero]

That said, I think it's fair that Ca issues non-res tags.

What I don't think is fair is that Ca issues land-owner tags and those land owners turn around and offer hunts for huge amounts of money. The state should issue a tag to a land owner for personal use and the rest of those tags should be issued to the general public.

 

[el_vaquero]

I thought of an even better solution that what I just posted....the state can issue the leftover tags to me

 

[Speckmisser]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>

What I don't think is fair is that Ca issues land-owner tags and those land owners turn around and offer hunts for huge amounts of money. The state should issue a tag to a land owner for personal use and the rest of those tags should be issued to the general public.[/b]

Actually, the Landowner tags can ONLY be used by the landowner (or his immediate family). You can't sell them.

The tags you're probably thinking of are PLM (Private Land Management) tags, and those don't come for nothing. You have to put in a pretty good amount of time, effort, and cash to qualify for them. Ask BigDog what it takes to get into the program, and how much profit he's seeing from the sale of his tags.

The idea of being able to sell them is to allow the property owners to finance habitat management. Yeah, sure, especially in the case of elk, those tags can sell for big bucks. Organizations like Tejon Ranch and MUM are probably making decent money off of their programs, but it costs a pretty penny to develop and manage the habitat. Smaller operators, like BigDog, are putting a lot more into the resource than they're getting back out of those tags.

The PLM system as it's designed is a pretty good deal for both the wildlife and the hunters. Don't let the fact that some folks are making money off of it blind you to the fact that they could often make much more money just selling off the land for development or agriculture.

 

[DFGELK]

Actually,

Elk landowner tags can be sold. This was originally set up because elk can do a great deal of damage to fences and crops/pastures, etc. The Department will not pay for wildlife damage and depredation tags for elk are almost non-existant (does not solve the problem). We need the private land for most of the elk herds in the state, they are used for winter ground, transition ground, and in tule elk most of the year long habitat.
If you look at the cost for a non-resident elk tag in CA (roughly $1,000) and compare that to what a resident pays $300 it is by no means outrageous. If we took the cost of other states resident elk tags compared to non-resident I think you would see more than a 3 fold increase.

Joe

 

[Speckmisser]

Thanks for the correction, Joe.

Guess it never pays to be so sure.

 

[BOWUNTR]

The $303 Ca resident elk tag fee is the highest priced resident elk tag in the Country! Also, the best $303 I have ever spent!!! Ed F

 

[Glass eye]

BOWUNTR it cost me $318.50 for 2006
I imagine that if I draw again it will be more but it will still be worth it. Except for the cow tags, I woiuld never pay that much. It would be better to get an either sex archery tag over the counter in Colorado for that price.

 

[el_vaquero]

You're right Speck...I should have said SOME land-owners....