-NOR CAL HOG DOG HUNTING-

[Laced Wit Game]

bully's?? razors edge/gotti?? c'mon man i dont mess with that garbage!

no i understand completely what bluenote is sayin, check it out ill post the peds of the catchdogs ill be workin with.
here are the peds
my upcoming litter
sire:
http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=253474
dam:
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=302915

my buddy is interested in joining me on these trips also here is the dog i set him up with! (big dogs, might work well for this work!)
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=290831

i do have a wildside jeep/nigerino bred bitch, but she's too small so i dont think she'll work, but man she's a stick of dynomite!

like i said man,not that i dont here what your saying. but i wont be using ANY other kind of catch dog, these dogs are my passion and my life revolves around them. ive been into dogs for 22 years now and still learning. i plan on learning everything theyre is to know about them and since dog matching is illegal, this is what im going to use as an athletic outlet for my future yard. i am very aware of the consequences the game carries for me and my dogs, but like BB stopper said, a disposable hero, a working dog that dies in the line of doing something he loves/supposed to do is a good dog to me! i wont feed a shit eatin curr.

i do thank you though bluenote (and everybody else) for your words of advice. take a look at those pedigrees ive posted let me know what you think, bein into bulldogs and all.

 

[bigboarstopper]

look like hog catchers to me.

 

[Laced Wit Game]

as for the strike dogs BBS, what do toy think of a dogo/catahoula "hybrid"

 

[EvBouret]

and since dog matching is illegal, this is what im going to use as an athletic outlet

you're using hunting as an alternate to dog "matching"?

Dogo/Cats will probably be a little rough. Unless you want to stop pigs real quick...then go for it. I'm sure some will go good. The litter will probably have a wide range of dogs. Some will probably be catchy and silent like a dogo, others will want to bay the pig a bit more.

 

[bigboarstopper]

as for the strike dogs BBS, what do toy think of a dogo/catahoula "hybrid"

I wouldnt reccomend it. Dogo is a catch dog. To regularly let one or a cross of one off the leash would spell disaster to me. I would look at it this way. If that dog got on a hot track by himself and found a hog over a hill by itself would it attempt to "catch" it or fight it by himself ? Quite possibly. If that were to occur, this senario is quite common would equate either a very injured or dead dog. What else ive seen happen is the dog will kill a smaller pig and chew on it for hours and hours while you look for it and yell for it to come back.

I have ran half catahoula half pitt crosses in the past and what usually happens is you have a dog thats quite catchy (running catchdog) with a poor nose or a strike dog that is very dumb. Bully breeds are inteligent dogs, however they are very one track minded. Ive seen catch dogs that have essintially missed the catch because they get so excited that they will run in the wrong direction because they simply wont stop to listen to where the dogs are baying. They will get so worked up and breathe so hard that they cant hear anything and just run in circles. Pitt and catahoula crosses have never complimented eachother in my experience. Make that any catch dog type breed with most any hunting hound. You never seem to get the best of either breed.

Anything is possible however. There was one catahoula pitt cross that worked out quite well. It was basically a catchdog that didnt have to be on the leash. It would walk with us not the rest of the dogs and when the dogs bayed it would go in. Also it was smart enough not get into a fight without enough back up. The dog had no sent ability but it was nice not to be pulled around by a catchdog on a leash during the hunt. That was the only real benifit.

When crossing dogs Ive always looked for something that would improve my line better. In the past it was sent ability, brains, range and agressive baying skill. In the last 10 years I have put more agressive lines in my dogs. Hogs dont seem to want to fight as much. Many hogs have been run by dogs in the past and know the smart move is to run and not fight. My line of dogs in years back have always had the staying power to stick with the hog for hours over hills and mountains. In those last ten years with the more agressive blood my races have been much shorter. The dogs will grab that hogs ass and force him to stop in the event he wants to run and the difference between a bully/hound cross and agressive strike dog is that my dogs will let go and bay him if and when he stops as to where the bully/hound cross will fight or catch regardless most if not all the time. There are exceptions to every rule. But in my experience thats been the case

 

[EvBouret]

Bigboarstopper knows his stuff, read it well

 

[Facon Blanco]

SO True

All due respect , but leave the Jags to what they're best at , which is the same thing I use Patterdales for , and yes I've tried Patterdales out on hogs , nice for telling you where the hog , and that's about it. Not going to hold most hogs and if the hog gets the dog they're dust.

I raise two breeds Patterdales and APBTs , and said APBT into my sixth generation of Chinaman/SPike/Patricks blood, I've been around the gamebred dogs all my life and indukged in every legal activity with them , here's the truth , the vast majority of game bred dogs make thoroughly lousy hog dogs , they're bred to exhibit gameness , to continue on in spite of injury ,to never say die.

This trait contributes to often getting them killed , since of course no dog alive of any sort can best a 200 and up lb hog if they *really* decide to fight it out.

Do the dogs and yourself a favor ,if you wish to use APBTs as catch dogs then have the sense to go to an individual who has been breeding towards that task for some amount of time.

And true gamebred APBTs are too small , if you see someone with their hundred lb Razors Edge dog and they try to tell you that it's "gamebred" they're full of crap.

And I don't hunt hogs with dogs anymore ,less noise and fuss without them and I don't have attempt to save a dog that got overly brave , there's nothing like being five miles from the truck and running out of Clotisol and staples.

I prefer spot and stalk with a handgun or sitting on aridge with a decent rifle.

And for those contemplating the dogs and knife route , best go out with someone who does it a few times first , it is not something to be taken lightly , you have to be sure of yourself and very ready for what happens,I've seen a couple of times over the decades where someone hesitated and the wrong time and got pretty badly torn up. And go buy the right knife.

Very well said. True game bred APBT(dogs) are not good hog dogs. too small and will usually end up fighting each other and the hog runs away. They have their nitch and hog hunting isn't it.