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First off I have to say that Randy and Jay were very nice people and it was a real pleasure meeting them. They have an absolutely incredible piece of land to hunt on and great accomodations. There hospitality went beyond what I would have expected and I really appreciated it, thanks guys! Here is how my hunt at RNJ Wild Hog Hunts went-

FRIDAY NIGHT-
I arrived on Friday afternoon and we quickly got the paperwork stuff out of the way and headed out (around 4:30 PM). By about 5:30 Randy spotted a big tusker way off in the distance, it looked like a little dot on the side of a hill to me until I looked at it with the binoculars. We headed off in the Jeep towards the hills that it was on, hoping to cut it off in its path. Well, we got across the canyon and didn't find any sign of that one. It was going on about 6PM by now and Jay, again with eagle eyes that these guys have, spotted a group of 3 or 4 pigs way off in the distance. They were so far away we didn't consider heading over there. We drove up the hills for a bit then started back down the canyon. All of the sudded Randy spotted a hog and scoped it at 340 yards. It and another pig, a white one, were headed thru some JUNIPER up to a field for feeding. Jay and I headed out on foot across the ravine and up around where we thought they were heading. We circled around up there for a bit but never found them again. I saw Randy playing catch with a Coyote though...the coyote didn't seem to want to catch the rock Randy was throwing. Jay and I headed back across the ravine and we took the Jeep up to one of the ridges to try and spot some pigs. It was getting up close to sunset now and we weren't seeing anything. The wind was howling pretty hard and whipping our smell all over the place I'm sure. We started heading down the mountain and Jay spotted a group of pigs feeding out in the middle of a field. We stopped the Jeep and walked down the hill to the area where he had spotted them. We crept thru the field and over the ridge, but no piggies anywhere to be found. Thankfully Jay went back up the hill for the Jeep, I sat with Randy and waited...glad I didn't have to hike back up that hill! It was now dark and time to quit for the night.

SATURDAY MORNING-
We got out in the field very early and were ready to catch the piggies heading home for the day. We sat on a ridge glassing the canyon for homeward bound piggies but didn't see anything. We began driving out towards some water sources and came around a corner right up on a good size black boar about 60 yards out. He saw us just as we saw him and as he turned to high tail it I grabbed my rifle, jumped out of the jeep and dropped my scoope just in time to be lined up with his ass ducking over a hill and vanishing. Four words made me very nervous just then. "There was your shot", I heard Randy say. Well, a 2-3 second window to nail a pig running away from me isn't what I would call a reasonable shot...but I'm new to all of this and I'm not arguing. We saw a couple more pigs off in the distance that morning, but nothing promising.

SATURDAY DAY-
Randy recommended the Burgers over at the cafe in Parkfield, so I headed out for a burger. He was correct, very good burgers! To bad I didn't try the fries and shake that I later heard are also something to be tried! I enjoyed checking out Parkfield and the San Andres Fault.
Back to the hunt... I returned to RNJ about 1PM and Randy asked if I wasnted to go for a walk. Man, I had no idea what I was in for! He Jeeped us up the side of a mountain and dropped J and I off. Weather.com says it was 102 degrees up there. It felt like 150! I am fat and out of shape! There...can't really explain it any better than that. Jay took me out to try and surprise some piggies in their beds. We hiked the hills for several hours until finally meeting up with Randy again at the top of Mt Everest. Well, after that hike in that heat it sure felt like Mt Everest! We never saw any pigs but did see lots of sign. Tree rubbing and some nice tusk gouges in a couple trees. Lots of dried up pig shit and some tracks. We headed back to base for a break...much needed!

SATURDAY NIGHT-
The sun was just about to set and we were out on it again. We spent several hours combing the hills, glassing the canyons and just searching our asses off but there were no pigs to be seen anywhere. It was just about dark and we were heading back to base. Somehow, Randy saw two pigs out of the back of his head behind us on a ridge. He quickly told us to jump out and hide behind the Jeep. He pointed in the direction that he was seeing them. They were probably 300 yards out and smelled us and were boogying up the side of a hill. They were gone! That was it for the night.

SUNDAY MORNING-
I was pretty frustrated at this point but had high hopes. They told me sometimes guys wouldn't bag one until Sunday morning...I could be one of those guys!
We covered a huge amount of ground Sunday morning and got atop some ridges overlooking vast amounts of land. Never saw any hogs anywhere. They must have gone to bed early.

CONCLUSION-
So, my first hunt ended up costing me in the ballpark of $1200 total and I came out with nothing! Ouch, that stings pretty damn bad... Randy was nice about it and said that this was the hardest they had to hunt in a very long time. He brought up the one pig we drove up on as my chance, saw that one coming, and that was that.
I know they have hogs out there, I saw them at a distance several times. I didn't expect to go "pig shooting" but I did expect to have a much greater opportunity at pigs. It is hard for me to say anything bad about RnJ, I just wish I had been there on a better weekend when pigs were actually out and about! This has discouraged me on paying to hunt on private land. I can go have unsuccessful hunts on public land right out in our mountains here.

I would not discourage anyone else from trying their luck at RnJ, I'm sure my experience was a fluke!
 

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Man, sorry to hear that. It was definitely a very expensive hike...but such is hunting I guess...Keep your chin up man and better luck next time!
 
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Sorry to hear you did not get a chance to shoot.
I personally would not call an eyeful of running hog an opportunity.
Always make sure you verify success rates with any outfitter. If you are guaranteed a shot opportunity (and there are outfitters who will), make sure that what constitutes a "shot opportunity" is clear and defined.
A three day meat hog hunt on private land with a reputable outfitter is usually a slam dunk.
Glad to hear you had a good time, keep at it!
 

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I've spent much more to kill less, sorry you didn't get your hog, but that's hunting and sometimes it doesn't quite go as planned.
 

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Hunting and killing are not the same thing. Hunting is enjoyable even when you get skunked. Maybe your hopes were set too high after reading about all the action in the high fenced "domestic pig" I mean "wild hog" hunts you sometimes read about. You did have access to some very expensive California private ranch land, and that's not easy to come by.
 

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Sorry you did not score, but I'd say they did everything they could to get you a pig. Sometimes it just does not work out, which is why it is called hunting. I have known people to pay more than that and never even see the game they are after. I think the expectations have gotten too high for guided hunts. Short of a "high fence" hunt there is no guarantee that the animals will cooperate and be in a shootable area. Just my two cents..
 

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As my Gran'pa used to say;"They don't call it shopping".... 102 around here, must a been one of the cooler days..... Hank
 

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Just to clarify a couple things, the hunt was 600.00 and I booked Chris as a single hunter weekend with two guides and yes the hunting was a little tough, but after busting are butts all weekend I still offered him a follow up hunt for 400.00
 

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Have you tried Big Horn Canyon Ranch?

If you judge the quality of your hunting experience by the amount of money you had to spend, you are missing the point and should look into golf. You had 2 guides working hard for you (usually it's 2 hunters per guide, you had it the other way around) and it sounds like you did see quite a few hogs. Sounds to me like they more than did their job. Not saying you didn't do yours, it's just with wild animals and real hunting you can never truly expect, with absolute certainty anyway, to kill something. As you can see you aren't going to get much pity here. Hunting can be hard, paid or otherwise.
 

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Summer time hunting for hogs is tough!
 

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Sorry to hear the hunt didn't include a pig on this trip... I agree a running shot isn't much of an opportunity. Your luck sounds an awful lot like mine... keep at it and better luck next time.
 

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Sounds like a pretty good trip.

I was not there, and only you and the guides really know what the situation was. But, I would not be happy if they expected me to shoot at a running pig, and called that my "shot opportunity.

Everyone on here always talks about taking a clean, well placed and thought out shot, should understand you did not feel comfortable taking a running shot.

The "shot opportunity" should be more clearly defined before the hunt.

Just my 2 cents

Dan
 

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Maybe it's just me but I see a few holes in this story. I have a few questions.

1. How prepared were you for the hunt? Friday night you said you guys glassed a big tusker but didn't go after it... why? Everytime I have been over there and saw one we moved our butts and hiked to get a better shot? This doesn't make sense.

2. Why did it take you so long to get a shot on the pig you drove up on? How long did it take you to get out of the jeep to take that shot? I had the same thing happen to me there in March. Randy and I had drove up on a pig that was about 50-60 yards away and I was up and had my scope on that sucker and had fired a shot in less than 3 seconds.

3. The hunt cost you around $1,200! What did you spend the other $600 bucks on? What did you bring to eat for dinner... Live Maine Lobsters?! The fuel for a round trip in an H-1 Hummer wouldn't have cost more than $200; so I am at a loss. Where did the other money go?

4. Were you a solo hunt or was there someone else in your party? How did the other hunters do? By what I am reading here you were a solo hunt. If that is true, I don't know many outfitters or guides that will just book a single hunter without charging extra. Plus Randy replied that he offered you another hunt for $400... you should have taken it!

5. Burgers, fries and a shake?? I think others will agree with me, but that isn't something that you should eat during a hunt. If you know you are going to go out do some spot and stalk (aka hunting) you wouldn't want something heavy like that in your stomach.

6. Finally in your last two sentences you said the following "This has discouraged me on paying to hunt on private land. I can go have unsuccessful hunts on public land right out in our mountains here. I would not discourage anyone else from trying their luck at RnJ, I'm sure my experience was a fluke!" So it wasn't good enough for you but it should be okay for me? Which is it?


I have hunted with several different outfitters and found my experiences with RnJ to be second to none. Why else would I have gone there 3 times this year! I was not successful every time... but it was my fault. And I accept responsibility for that. I don't create a post saying what a great outfit someone is and then slam them.
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It is called hunting for a reason... and it sounds like you were more out for killing.
 

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QUOTE (Cold1nhand @ Jul 18 2008, 06:16 PM)
Randy what is your side of the story?
The black hog he talking about at 60 yards never actually ran, he made to stops 90 and 120 yards before he went over the ridge(this is the first wild hog he had every seen is what he told me) As most hunters know that when a hog decides to move out on a dead run you are not going to have a opportunity so if that was the case we here at RNJ would have not considered that his opportunity, also if I remember correctly this was his first time in the field and it made a pretty tough hunt on are in to, this topic here is just part of being in the guide business,you will take a few hits know and then.
 

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If you go back and read it again, I said we did go after it but did not find it once we got WAY over where it was seen. The other group of pigs that were spotted, I don't know why they didn't go after them...they are the guides, but I would assume it was because they were heading up into thick stuff and it was almost dark and it was across the canyon.


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It didn't take me long. I was told to not have a round chambered while driving by the guide who's land I was on. So, it took me all of 2 seconds to chamber a round jump out of the jeep and scope in on it. By that time the pig was boogying and Randy actually said "wait".

3.
This wasn't meant as the hunt itself cost around $1200...just spent a lot in preperation...I should have explained better.
Hunt Price was only $600 (Sorry for making it seem anything other than that), food (cheese and crackers actually), cooler, ice, ammo, fuel etc... Randy saw how lame my food situation was and actually brought me food and coffee.


4.
This was last weekend, how would I have taken him up on that offer already? We were solo and I appreciated the fact that he even took me as a solo hunter.


5.
Once again, read the post again. I had a burger...nothing else....and wasn't expecting to go out again for another 5 hours anyhow.


6.
It means I was discouraged (not that I wouldn't go again) but I'm sure someone else would have a fine hunt. It just wasn't meant to be that time. Decide for yourself I guess. After all is said and done, I probably would have gone back to RnJ...not that they would have me back after making this post.


I never once stated that I wanted to just sit and shoot a pig. I never blamed them at all. I wanted to hunt...enjoyed the hunt but yes...wanted to kill also! I'm not slamming, just simple reporting. It was not their fault and it was not my fault...it just wasn't meant to be. If all you get is success stories posted on here, then new guys like me go out expecting a just about guaranteed hunt. When everyone says, ya 90% success rates and only if you miss your shot will you not get one etc.... So if you don't have a successful hunt are you not supposed to post at all?

Where did I slam RnJ...where does anything in my post hint at them being a bad operation? I simply said it was bad timing and didn't happen. I also stated that I had false hopes of a better opportunity. What else is a new guy gonna think after reading nothing but success stories?

How is this an outfitters worst nightmare? Point out to me what I said that was wrong? Where do I place blame on anyone? Where do I even hint that I wanted to just drive out and shoot at pigs or just go "killing" and not have a hunt?

My post simply says I had a great hunt and met some great guys. It says I spent the weekend on some beautiful land. It says I thought I would have more opportunity at a shot, but that is only due to not knowing what to expect...me being new and all. I didn't whine at all about

They went beyond what I would expect in trying to put me on pigs and they earned every cent and more. But does that mean I should not report that I had no luck?


Randy, remember I told you I had seen hogs on Catalina Island but have never hunted them before.

Randy and Jay, if you think this post is in anyway negative toward you...I would gladly have it deleted.

My original post did say that this was my first hunt.



QUOTE (Cold1nhand @ Jul 18 2008, 06:13 PM)
Maybe it's just me but I see a few holes in this story. I have a few questions.

1. How prepared were you for the hunt? Friday night you said you guys glassed a big tusker but didn't go after it... why? Everytime I have been over there and saw one we moved our butts and hiked to get a better shot? This doesn't make sense.

2. Why did it take you so long to get a shot on the pig you drove up on? How long did it take you to get out of the jeep to take that shot? I had the same thing happen to me there in March. Randy and I had drove up on a pig that was about 50-60 yards away and I was up and had my scope on that sucker and had fired a shot in less than 3 seconds.

3. The hunt cost you around $1,200! What did you spend the other $600 bucks on? What did you bring to eat for dinner... Live Maine Lobsters?! The fuel for a round trip in an H-1 Hummer wouldn't have cost more than $200; so I am at a loss. Where did the other money go?

4. Were you a solo hunt or was there someone else in your party? How did the other hunters do? By what I am reading here you were a solo hunt. If that is true, I don't know many outfitters or guides that will just book a single hunter without charging extra. Plus Randy replied that he offered you another hunt for $400... you should have taken it!

5. Burgers, fries and a shake?? I think others will agree with me, but that isn't something that you should eat during a hunt. If you know you are going to go out do some spot and stalk (aka hunting) you wouldn't want something heavy like that in your stomach.

6. Finally in your last two sentences you said the following "This has discouraged me on paying to hunt on private land. I can go have unsuccessful hunts on public land right out in our mountains here. I would not discourage anyone else from trying their luck at RnJ, I'm sure my experience was a fluke!" So it wasn't good enough for you but it should be okay for me? Which is it?


I have hunted with several different outfitters and found my experiences with RnJ to be second to none. Why else would I have gone there 3 times this year! I was not successful every time... but it was my fault. And I accept responsibility for that. I don't create a post saying what a great outfit someone is and then slam them.
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It is called hunting for a reason... and it sounds like you were more out for killing.[/b]
 

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Sounds like he's just new to hunting. It is a steep and long learning curve. If we all posted stories about the times we get skunked (most of the time), there isn't enough server space here to hold them all! The success stories you read here are la Creme d'la creme, that's why everyone is so happy and excited to enjoy each person's success story.

If you keep at it, continue to do your homework, and put your time in, eventually you will succeed. And when you do, success will be so much sweeter than if you got lucky the first time out.

Sounds like a no harm, no foul situation, just a beginner. We were all beginners once.
 

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SBoldman,

I understand and can appreciate your disappointment. Its exciting when going on a guided hunt or fishing trip and we all usually have expectations of bagging something. I recently returned from alaska, fishing for salmon on 4 pack with only 3 fisherman, my buddy never caught a fish.

I appreciate you posting the what happened cause it gives another perspective of options available to hunters. I did not find you to be antagonistic or demeaning or belittling of the the operation but rather the opposiste.

I am interested in knowing, but probably never will, what type of a "shot opportunity" you received. Is this a guaranteed hunt with at least an opportunity, if not I dont see why that would be a factor.

I see the guide is discrediting your recollection about "the shot opportunity" and by stating, "<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
The black hog he talking about at 60 yards never actually ran, he made to stops 90 and 120 yards before he went over the ridge(this is the first wild hog he had every seen is what he told me) As most hunters know that when a hog decides to move out on a dead run you are not going to have a opportunity so if that was the case we here at RNJ would have not considered that his opportunity[/b]


if this was not an accurate statement I would be pretty upset.



Thanks for sharing, sorry it didn't work out.
 

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Gotta admit the Internet, with forums like this one (this one being the best, of course), are a great medium to keep the guides and outfitters honest. If a guide claims a fleeting glimpse was the "guaranteed shot", his outfit may suffer greatly by the bad publicity.
 
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