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My wife and I went on a run in the forest about 15 minutes from our house on Sunday afternoon. At about 1:00 PM, in full sunlight and 80 degree weather, I heard some rustling in a clump of wild ginger. We stopped and out walked the largest boar I have ever seen, and I've seen 100+ of them. I'd honestly guess the weight at 350-400 pounds and it also had the largest tusks I've ever seen. It was jet black and built like a grizzly and was my wife's first pig encounter and she was impressed.

I went back to the same place for a run yesterday evening and on my way out met up with a couple of Hawaiian men with 4 dogs. The dogs were about the size of beagles and each wore a leather throat guard, which looks like a really wide, heavy collar. I told the guys about the boar and they said that was the pig they were after since it was also the largest boar they had ever seen. It had also killed and mutilated other dogs and was extremely aggressive toward humans. Each man carried an empty backpack to bring home the meat and the only weapons they carried were machetes hanging from their belts.

The idea being that the dogs find the boar and grab it by the ears or hide and the men run in, pull the dogs aside, and hack the boar with machetes. I can almost see doing that with a 150 pound sow but this thing had huge tusks and a bad reputation. How many of you reading this would be willing to hunt with these guys?

I did some volunteer work this weekend with the National Wild Turkey Federation and one of the hunters told me his dog [they were bird hunting for francolin] had pointed out a pig. Turned out to be a large boar that attacked the German Shorthair, hooking it badly on the lower belly, and then attacked the hunter. He got off one shot blowing the boar's front foot to smithereens. The boar then hobbled off into some tall grass. Later the same day another bird hunter was attacked by the wounded boar and managed to kill it at a range of about 4 or 5 feet.

I may start carrying a handgun [not a machete!!!] on my runs since I run in the wilderness and these pigs are everywhere.

That's it for now. Another pig hunt coming up this Saturday unless a predicted storm hits the Big Island which will make the 4WD roads tough to navigate.
 

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Wow, a hunt like that must be a rush. I can't wait to hunt my first hog with a knife.

Jess.
 

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Unfortunately, I know all too well the potency of a hog's tusks. I had a few thousand dollars worth of vet bills in a three month period until I started putting Kevlar vests and collars on my dogs.

Machetes? They are neither safe nor humane.
 

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Rifleman:

I suppose they could have had knives in their packs somewhere, but I didn't see any. The only weapon I saw were the machetes. Maybe they use those to hack through the undergrowth. I'll ask next time I see them.
 

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doc,
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suppose they could have had knives in their packs somewhere[/b]
I hope so. Knives are a more reasonable choice and fairly popular with Hawaiian hog hunters.
 

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C'mon Rifleman, I should know better than to argue with you, but... Is hacking a hog with a machete any less humane than sending your dogs into 3k of vet bills after getting "hooked" by a huge angry boar??
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Ive killed many pigs with my machete, and so have all my hunting partners in Hawaii. We don't hack them with it though, you sharpen the tip and stab them in the armpit aiming for the heart, they're usually dead within 10 seconds and it isn't nearly as barbaric or inhumane as you describe.
 

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Okay, Mike, I'll bite.
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Is hacking a hog with a machete any less humane than sending your dogs into 3k of vet bills after getting "hooked" by a huge angry boar??[/b]
Yes it is. If I didn't spend the money and left the dogs to die or get better on their own, then my actions would be inhumane.

Are you suggesting that hunting with dogs-coursing dogs, specifically-is not humane?
 

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EvBouret,
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We don't hack them with it though, you sharpen the tip and stab them in the armpit aiming for the heart, they're usually dead within 10 seconds and it isn't nearly as barbaric or inhumane as you describe.[/b]
Thanks for the clarification. Based on doc's description, I was thinking that the machetes were being used like a machete, rather than like a knife or spear.
 

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Of course not Rifleman. Calling ones choice of weapon inhumane while choosing to hunt with dogs knowing of impending injury would be nothing short of hypocrisy though.
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Well, all for the sake of fun...

Calling one inhumane for hunting with dogs is like calling one inhumane for allowing their teenagers to drive an automobile; there is a chance of injury, but none so great that it should prevent one from engaging in an otherwise enjoyable activity.

Using a weapon designed to cut vegetation as a means of taking a large mammal with thick hide, fat and a cartilagenous shield in the same manner one would approach vegetation is certainly not humane, is it?
 

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...And yes, this is still in good fun for me too, Mike.

You know me; I can't refrain from a good argument even if it is just in jest.
 

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Nobody brought up the word inhumane but you. I think a feirce chop to the back of the neck with a machete would do just fine. Especially with a dog on each ear, a dog on each leg, and one on the tail
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Mike,
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Nobody brought up the word inhumane but you.[/b]
Yes, and I stand by my use of the word based on how the use of the tool was presented. You'll note that doc stated: I went back to the same place for a run yesterday evening and on my way out met up with a couple of Hawaiian men with 4 dogs...Each man carried an empty backpack to bring home the meat and the only weapons they carried were machetes hanging from their belts....The idea being that the dogs find the boar and grab it by the ears or hide and the men run in, pull the dogs aside, and hack the boar with machetes.
From this, I reasonably concluded that doc met these men and engaged in a conversation with them. He observed their being armed only with machetes, and seemed to learn from them the method and circumstances by which they use the machetes.
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I think a feirce chop to the back of the neck with a machete would do just fine.  Especially with a dog on each ear, a dog on each leg, and one on the tail[/b]
I would be inclined to think so, too. Had the method been portrayed as beheading the hog-with the dogs subduing the hog, thus increasing the likelihood of a precise strike to the base of the skull-and not hacking at the hog with the dogs pulled aside, you would not have heard a peep out of me.
 

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...you would not have heard a peep out of me.[/b]
But then again, you would not be having all this fun, would you!?!
 

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Hey Doc, do you by chance live up in Kaloko Mauka area?
What i've found makes a decent pig poker is an old WWII or older surplus rifle bayonet, nice long straight strong pointed blade. I just bought a SKS blade bayonet to use as a spear point for a pig poker i'm making, my poor old back getting too stiff for getting in close and personal to pua'a so this should give me the additional reach need when hunting with puppies. Will post a picture as soon as i've completed it.
 

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Uncle Ji:

I live in Kailua-Kona, just about a mile mauka from the Stone Church. Leone Street, a few blocks off Lako, a few blocks Makai from Queen K Highway. Wonderful neighborhood. I didn't mean to start a spitting contest, only to report what I saw and the conversation I had with these guys. Anyway, I go running off of Hao, about a mile above where Hao crosses Kaloko. It's in Makaula-Ooma, and the pigs are thick in there. Beautiful country. I've seen these same hunters a few times and the only thing I was trying to convey is that they must have cojones the size of my head or brains the size of my cojones, because the thought of tackling that boar I saw with nothing but a knife would scare me to death. I can see [almost] taking on a 150 pound sow or a small boar, but that boar was the size of a healthy bear. No way, man.

Is your surgery tomorrow? Good luck, Uncle Ji, and please let us know how you're doing.

Doc
 

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Originally posted by doccherry@Jan 4 2006, 08:21 PM
Uncle Ji:

I live in Kailua-Kona, just about a mile mauka from the Stone Church. Leone Street, a few blocks off Lako, a few blocks Makai from Queen K Highway. Wonderful neighborhood. Anyway, I go running off of Hao, about a mile above where Hao crosses Kaloko. It's in Makaula-Ooma, and the pigs are thick in there. Beautiful country. I've seen these same hunters a few times and the only thing I was trying to convey is that they must have cojones the size of my head or brains the size of my cojones, because the thought of tackling that boar I saw with nothing but a knife would scare me to death. I can see [almost] taking on a 150 pound sow or a small boar, but that boar was the size of a healthy bear. No way, man.

Is your surgery tomorrow? Good luck, Uncle Ji, and please let us know how you're doing.

Doc
Aloha Doc, I'm familiar with the area you live though when I lived in Kona the Queen Ka'ahumanu Hwy dead-ended in town where it met Palani Road. That area you jog is (or was) known as Kaloko Mauka meaning Kaloko on the mauka side of Mamalahoa Hwy. Way back when I lived there Kaloko had no houses just empty paved road that ran for miles up the mountain. We used to sight in our rifles there with it's long stretches of clear shooting with safe back drop. We also used to hunt Kalij Pheasants up there with our .22s. Man this was 25 years ago before I even had kids, good memories. I gotta get up there ASAP.
Right above my house near where I found Lucille I also saw a BIG honkin' boar jet black big shouldered gleaming long tusks i'd estimate an easy 300 lbs. I know the pigs near my home are gamey so i'm leaving him alone but maybe I'll try and shoot him with a camera when I get out on the road to recovery.
Thank you again for the encouraging words, yes tommorow is surgery day. My prognosis not that great with 50% chance of success due to past failed attempt surgery but I gotta try. I'll keep you posted after I get out in about week. Can't wait to read how you did this coming Saturday. A hui hou, Ji
 

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