Steiny

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All,

I thought I would share a story of what happened over the weekend. I'll be leaving for the Midwest in another week for some whitetail hunting and needed to sight in the rifle so I went to the range in south San Jose. I can't recall the name but I believe it used to be run by the county. Anyway, on the way in I see a small boar milling around at the tee in the road before you enter the range. Interesting because it was around 10:00 AM. So, I get to my bench and fire my first three rounds and make the neccessary adjustments to dial the 7MM in at 100yds. Next shot was in the X and the following two where touching each other just above the X. Cool...guns all ready to go. I get up and then I hear someone say "look at the pig above the range" I look up and see the pig walking outside the 100 yard target range along a path and then I hear BOOM!!!! The Pig takes a few steps and down he goes! WHAT AN IDIOT!!! The staff proceeds to shut down the range and kept everyone in the rifle section. Since knowone wanted to speak up they brought in a park ranger. After he's speach and scare tactics with no response they brought in a county sheriff along with another park ranger. They described the sheriff as an expert in determining bullet holes and the such (CSI stuff) We waited another 10 or 15 minutes while they got everyone's address, drivers license, make and model of firearm along with the serial numbers. Part of the threat was to confiscate everyone's gun and run ballistic test to determine who done it. They said this would take around 3 months so you could see that this made a few of the people upset to say the least. A few minutes later a gentelman walks to the booth an proceeds to talk to the law enforcement officers and about ten minutes after that they came out and let us go. Not sure if there going to confiscate the weapon but I wish they would! I wonder what this is going to cost him??

On the way out I wanted to see if the pig he shot was the same one I saw earlier and it was. : (
 

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I 've seen elk at that range as well. Just walking alone the hillside, the guns didn't bother them a bit. What an Idiot that guy is.
 

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What's lame is that the cops made such a big deal of it. Sounds like natural selection to me.
 

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I rarely go to the range (probably why I'm such a poor shot, LOL) so forgive me for not knowing, but if the guy had a boar tag, is that illegal to shoot the boar?
 

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One less pig tearing up property! What a waste of time and money!
 

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Sounds like bad behaviour all around.
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On a similar note, I've seen deer browsing on the hill just above the 100yd. range at Los Altos Rod & Gun Club during live fire.
 

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Just a couple miles from the range DFG is giving property owners depravation permits for the damage to their yards.

Sounds like the guy just couldn't resist!
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Maybe it had just been a long time since he had anything in the crosshairs!
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I bet those rangers were having a ball also!
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I'd like to know how many rangers and sherriffs were out for this call so I can send a bill to the county for wasting my tax dollars.
They should have ground him (the pig) into some spicy sausage and had a free lunch day at the range!
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excuse me officer Bob but we seem to have a violation on Lane 10.
Yes it appears to be a dead pig at the 100yd marker!
Don't use drugs mkay!
Drugs are Bad mkay!
never any fun like that when I go to Metcalf!
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Okay now seriously I have to guess that the real violation was breaking the range rules about shooting over the range fences.
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That is hillarious! I thought you are going to tell a story of how you saw a pig at the range! I have seen deer run right behind the 100 yard targets at Lake Chabot. They just get used to the shooting. But someone actually shooting the sucker, that's just hillarious!!!

If he had a pig tag, it would be helpful. However, he still shot in a place that is not open to hunting. There also likely is rules for the range that prohibit taking shots at wildlife.

I guess it is a good thing that the guy stepped forward. On the other hand, if he had held back, I doubt the cops would have indeed confiscated all the guns and ran ballistics. That's legally questinable and someone hopefully would also have noticed that it is a waste of time and money.

It's just amazing that the guy couldn't resist. Scary to think how well he is able to control anger, with a weapon in his hand ... I certainly wouldn't pick him as a hunting buddy!

George
 

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Franklin and a couple of others...

I know you're just kidding, but seriously...

Just because you have a gun and see an animal, in season, out of season, or no season at all, it's no good reason to go popping a cap.

Tattooedfreak asked why it was a bad thing for this guy to do...

I don't know this specific range, so maybe I'm talking out of the side of my neck... But most ranges are either public (meaning parkland) or private (meaning posted) property. In either case, hunting is almost universally prohibited. It's not a live animal shooting gallery.

If you have a boar tag, and see a boar standing in someone's private pasture, is it OK to pull over and shoot it? How about if you're driving through a county park? If you're not there with permission and intent to hunt, then it's best not to be shooting at game. The right answer is, "no." And with that in mind, why would some yo-yo at the range think it's OK to shoot a hog on the range property?

I hate the way this looks for hunters. I understand that someone, maybe, just had a lapse in judgement or even a weak grasp on reality. It doesn't make that individual "evil". But it DOES constitute a truly stupid, thoughtless move.

Cleveland Amory, the founder of Fund for Animals and one of the godfathers of the modern anti-hunting movement described all hunters as "bloodthirsty killers." Actions like this one make that moniker a lot harder to dispute.
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Originally posted by Speckmisser@Nov 7 2005, 07:43 PM
I hate the way this looks for hunters. I understand that someone, maybe, just had a lapse in judgement or even a weak grasp on reality. It doesn't make that individual "evil". But it DOES constitute a truly stupid, thoughtless move.

Cleveland Amory, the founder of Fund for Animals and one of the godfathers of the modern anti-hunting movement described all hunters as "bloodthirsty killers." Actions like this one make that moniker a lot harder to dispute.
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Speck, you are right. We think it is funny, since we are in a hunting forum. The general public will think very differently though. It puts gun owners and hunters into a very bad light - something we need to avoid. While gun ownership is considered a "right", hunting is definitely a priveledge. Both are not looked at very favorably in the urban and suburban areas of CA.

George
 

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I can't believe you guys think this is funny.

If the range master didn't call LE and the Rangers they would not of shown up, because they would not have known this happened. So blame the Range Master for wasting YOUR tax payers money. I guess you only want LE and the such to enforce the laws when you want them enforced.

Second, a short time ago many people here had a big uproar about some guys shooting some goose dekes at a trap range during an event. I guess that was different. Oh yeah it was, a plstic deke vs a live animal.

To me this is the same as poaching.
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i hope they file criminal charges against this guy. I hope he gets what he deserves, and it's not spicy sausage.

This is just my opion.
 

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I was at the rifle range at Fish Canyon one day after some pretty good rain storms. There was a pond right behind the 100 yd targets. A nice mallard hen and drake landed in the pond just behind my target. I have to admit it was very tempting. The gunfire didn't even phase these ducks.
 

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I'm going to run down to the range today if I get a chance and talk to the rangemaster.
I beleive the violation has little to do with the actual shooting of the pig and more to do with the blatant disregard of range rules.
For one thing If the pig was shot on private land outside the range. (behind the fence) Then the county has no jurisdiction and it would be a matter for the property owner. On the other hand if the pig were actually within the range bounds then that would be a different story. I don't know for sure but I am guessing the pig was on private land outside the range and the shooter had to shoot over the range fences to shoot the pig and in so doing he discharged his firearm in a dangerous manner by shooting out of bounds of the range.
So what is the real infraction legally speaking? That will depend on the charges proffered.
Even In this politically correct society there's no love lost for the wild boar and I doubt seriously if anyone would make a public issue. Last week the local news showed hogs within miles of the range tearing up peoples fancy new lawns and stated the owners are getting depravation permits to exterminate the hogs. Some of these landowners all calling guides and hunters to please help them.
Don't get me wrong In no way do I condone the shooters behavior I'm just more concerned with his lack of discipline on the firing line than his choice of target.
Thanks for allowing me the rant.
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The pig was shot on the other side of the range fence. Someone mentioned that the property may belong to UTC but not sure.
 

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Originally posted by Steiny@Nov 8 2005, 11:05 AM
The pig was shot on the other side of the range fence. Someone mentioned that the property may belong to UTC but not sure.
If he was shooting over a fence that's a different story. I wish that was stated in the orginal post!
 

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I used to shoot that range, when I first went there, it was Winchester Field Sports or something similar, now I think it is called South County, most of my shooting buddies called it "Metcalf". If you were on the 50-100 yard rifle range, the pistol range is to the right of the rifle range. One day, at the pistol range the shooter next to me "beckons" me to look in his spotting scope. His scope is focused past the target, to the backstop.

Backstop in those days were rail road ties and dirt. There were several quail in front of the rail road ties and some of the pistol shooters were shooting them. I watched a large caliber handgun turn a quail into a limp pile of feathers. I figured the quail were "eating" sand, they didn't comprehend they were being shot at.

After a while, you could figure out who was shooting at the quail.

You couldn't see this with out a scope/binos.

edit: A couple of other posts mention deer. I often go to Crystal Springs golf course and use their driving range. Around 250 yards there are often deer on the driving range, I have never seen one get hit/react from getting hit, the deer just browse.

A mallard story, back in the olden days, we used to have split seasons. The pheasant club I belong to has a large canal running through it. One year, during the split closure, there was a crippled hen mallard in the canal. I think crippled because it would not fly when dogs went after it, the duck would dive/out swim the dogs. Someone mentioned the duck was used by a dog trainer and "got away". That duck disappeared soon after the second half of duck season.
 

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Ummm thanks guys, the violation is so much clearere to me now... I think. LOL.

Like I said, I don't go to the range, cuz I don't have a rifle or pistol, so I don't know the rules. But thanks Speck for explaining it to me, I do appreciate it and i understand what you are saying and agree that it does put us in an unfavorable light.

Rob
 

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Another sad example of idiots with guns that will be passed off as hunters. And i'm not sure what anyone would find funny about the event.
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Licence, tags, no permission slip for property.....screwed. I was at that range about two years ago and a guy told me a story of someone shooting a cow( as we watched them walk past). Some people just can't resist, even more thoose with guns who wish but have never killed anything more than a can.
 
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