Huntin Fool

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Have to agree published articles may hurt places more than the net. This is off topic but on the same lines when i first started huntin FHL you could get on easy now since WON magazine advertised it seems like the place is boomin.
 

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I think that everyone has valid points on the subject of this thread, of course I did not intend on having the subject of the thread being such. I never post names of places that I hunt, and think that it is probably a bad idea for others to do so. However, I don't think that Cottonwood was ever a secret spot. There use to be more pigs in it when I was younger, but I don't think it has alot to do with hunters, i just think that there is not as many pigs as there use to be. This is true of every spot that I hunt pigs, not just Cottonwood.

It is true that there are a lot of people that hunt Cottonwood, but not very many people kill anything.
 

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Once a honey hole, not so much any more.

It's one thing to do the leg work and make it happen and by a book and read it. A little work never hurt anyone.

It's a total different animal to jump on the web and see if the deer migration has started because some folks need to share all the details.

Can you say Clif Notes.

I'm all for sharing your success just not a topo map with an X on it.


It's truly a question of hunter etiquette.
 

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Birdi23nls

My appologies for getting this started on your thread. Should definitly be a new one.

It's just a soar spot with me and many others and its amazing how fast this can happen in todays Tech World.

Seen it in more areas than one.
 

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No hard feelings
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I know that there are more hunters in Cottonwood. My uncle took me into Cottonwood when I was a little kid and have been hunting it for many years.

To be honest I'm surprised that all the people that go and hunt it come back because most of them never see a pig or deer, much less get close to killing one. It's not very good hunting...but its close to home and a place to kill a saterday.
 

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There are some folks who are unaware. They don't realize the potential impact of sharing their spots with the world. They can read threads like this and become informed.

On the other hand...

There are some folks who honestly believe it's a good thing to share the info with as many people as they can. Some of us may disagree, but that's simply a difference of opinion. If you don't like it, then wince and bear it, because they know what they're doing and someone's kvetching about it isn't going to change their minds.

I think it's safe to say that a large percentage of members on this and similar websites initially came here in search of information like this. Doing research on the web is no different than doing research in a library or a bookstore. "Leg work" is not realistic for many people, especially not unless they have a pretty good idea of where to start walking. Everyone doesn't have the good fortune to live close enough or have the free time to get out and scout all of the available public land in this (or any) state.

So let's hold off on the judgemental B.S. Offer a gentle prod if someone is being a little too glib with information. If they insist on spreading the word, then move on. You're not going to change it, and this site isn't going to block it.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
The internet the doom of a hunting spot? This cracks me up every time I see it posted here by someone who claims their spot was ruined by posts. Let's don't forget the DFG has published a book that names Cottonwood as a place to hunt. Bob Robb has a pig book out doing the same. Jim Matthews also has published info on Cottonwood. People who hunt there and live nearby tell their friends, who tell their friends etc. Despite what some want you to think, the Internet is not the ruination of a hunting spot. It's more like some think they own public ground and the rest be damned if they just happen to buy a map or get a tip to check out a new area. What a shame really.[/b]
What cracks me up are claims like yours that there is little or no affect by these hunting forums. I don't think anyone here is personally blaming you, Jesse, for these situations any more than we can blame Ruger or Remington for murders that might occur but to deny the affects that are so blatantly obvious is just....silly. I've also heard the arguement that just because someone gets a tip on where to go doesn't mean they will be successful. Let's say a fly fisherman catches trout one after another on a secluded stretch of river most everytime he goes. He rarely sees another fisherman. Now someone posts up about the great fishing spot on a internet forum and the next time he shows up there there are 30 guys fishing with everything from soda cans to lug nuts. Chances are they will catch very few, if any fish, but guess what.....he won't either. Now would you come on and say the internet didn't do it because that spot is on the map and DFG published it too? Would you bash them by saying "some think they own public ground and the rest be damned if they just happen to buy a map or get a tip to check out a new area"? Now that fly fisherman can't do anything about it and everyone else has the same right to be there but to chastise him for being a little upset about it sure doesn't seem right to me.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bayedsolid @ Dec 7 2006, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Now that fly fisherman can't do anything about it and everyone else has the same right to be there[/b]


As a wise man once said "nuff said".
 

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Now that fly fisherman can't do anything about it and everyone else has the same right to be there but to chastise him for being a little upset about it sure doesn't seem right to me.[/b]

Please re-read my post, I never said you can't be upset about someone new in your spot. Note the part I mention about your perogative to be upset. My rub is some folks then feel the need to come on here and try and shut down any discussion about their private honey hole.

Let's check the facts. Long before the Internet we had new folks show up in OUR spots all the time. It's what drove me to hunt during the week more and to find more plan bs that I could fall back too. I hunt public land mostly and when the fires shut down areas or the game moved on I simply went to other spots I already had scouted. That's the key, putting all your eggs in one spot isn't the smart thing to do, venturing out and finding new spots ensures you'll have a good spot and sometimes you even find new honey holes that way. You'll even met some new folks you would have never met if you stayed in your one spot.

Simply pointing a finger at Internet websites as the ruination of good honey holes is not being very objective. Hunting license purchases have leveled off after declining for years. Couple that with more land being posted and urban sprawl, you naturally have more hunters vying for less and less land. That's as plain as the nose on your face.

For another read on how this works read JP Shelton's post about posting X on maps in the Upland Forum. It may help open some eyes. If you don't want to share any info that's fine and dandy as well, all I ask if you keep it to yourself and leave out the negative posts here trying to shut people up. If you don't want to contribute please just click on to another thread.
 

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I had nothing I cared to add so I didn't.

Learned the hard way about being "nice".

Anybody who wants to know what I know can ask in an e-mail.

I'll probly help ya cause I'm nice like that, kinda, no I am.

MS
 

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No hiding just to busy to talk all my usual smack
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Been working on my business ALOT
Been riding my bike to get ready for the race season ALOT MORE
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I'm FIT!
Lora started nursing school
Been working on all the stuff I didn't do during the hunting season
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And smoked a nice lil hog with my Hoyt on New Years day
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All good stuff

But ya know I miss goofin off in here and I'm finaly getting caught up enough to slip in and have some fun.

Oh yeah and I have been spending a few
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hours behind the spotter checking out the bucks who I either didn't know were around or gave me the slip during the season.

Always at least one surprise but this year I've seen 3 bucks in spots I hunt that SHOCKED ME. 1 in a spot a member told me about on the coast that I didn't spend enough time in and 2 up in D7, 1 tanker. ME=slacker.

MS
 

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Oh and to stay on topic I have seen hogs in Cottonwood but I cant say weather it would or would not be a good spot to go hog hunting in for most guys.

Its hard country and game is generaly sparse.

ms
 

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welcome back FT miss chatting with you, congrats on your
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i am still cycling too, its a lifestyle for me, no more competing unless there all senior citizens
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I stopped at Cottonwood last January during a horrific rainstorm and as I was sitting in my car in the parking lot I saw two guys dragging a monster boar towards the parking lot. They could only move it a few feet and then had to stop and rest. I'll bet it took them 4+ hours to finially get it to the car. Since no vehicles are allowed, if you do shoot a pig it is going to be a hell of hump back to your vehicle with your animal.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Family Tradition @ Jan 14 2007, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Oh and to stay on topic I have seen hogs in Cottonwood but I cant say weather it would or would not be a good spot to go hog hunting in for most guys.

Its hard country and game is generaly sparse.

ms[/b]

I think FT is saying he's seen pigs in spots that would kill normal people to get in and out of.

I'll take his word for it.
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"Don't forget the "foggy" pictures"

I am kind of new to this forum, but what amazes me is that no matter what picture is posted, there are members who know where it is. Pictures that look like they reveal nothing always have something that someone will recognize. So, if you want to keep your spot to yourself, don't post a picture, or take a pic once you get home. The CIA has nothing on the guys in this forum.
 

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It's been that way in the surfing world for years and years.

The editors at the surf rags get death threats when they publish pix of certain spots.

The lighting, shadows, hills, plants, rocks, etc. can give away volumns of info to prying eyes.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rancho Loco @ Jan 15 2007, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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Oh and to stay on topic I have seen hogs in Cottonwood but I cant say weather it would or would not be a good spot to go hog hunting in for most guys.

Its hard country and game is generaly sparse.

ms[/b]

I think FT is saying he's seen pigs in spots that would kill normal people to get in and out of.

I'll take his word for it.
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And thats just getting into the spots not killing anything once you get there, other than time that is.

FT
 

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Hey FT, good to see you back! Did you get your pig on public land?

Eric
 
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