Mariosjsk8
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SO, think it will take a pig? The 7.62x 39? or maybe the 223 rem?
Just want to know what yal'll think
Just want to know what yal'll think
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No, NO, and HECK NO!
If you want to hunt big game, get a big game hunting gun. If you already bought that 30-30, you're at entry level. Don't go backwards.
If you're thinking about getting something else, look at something along the lines of .270, .308 (7.62x54 NOT the .308 "short" 7.62x29), or 30-06.
No, NO, and HECK NO!
If you want to hunt big game, get a big game hunting gun. If you already bought that 30-30, you're at entry level. Don't go backwards.
If you're thinking about getting something else, look at something along the lines of .270, .308 (7.62x54 NOT the .308 "short" 7.62x29), or 30-06.
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speck- don't you mean the more common U.S. 7.62x51 and not the Euro 54? also 7.62x39 and not 29?
Just makin sure I'm not missing something here.
Mario-
I would agree 100% with speck. If you want to hunt big game, get a big game rifle.
I have a mini14, and used to have a mini30. Of course shot placement is everything with smaller rounds, but stock mini14's have major accuracy issues, especially with their cheap barrels. You don't want to rely on it's stock accuracy to place a .223 where you need it. You could get a nice .270, .308, .30-06 or any proven big game caliber rifle for half the cost of the mini.
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speck- don't you mean the more common U.S. 7.62x51 and not the Euro 54? also 7.62x39 and not 29?
Just makin sure I'm not missing something here.
Mario-
I would agree 100% with speck. If you want to hunt big game, get a big game rifle.
I have a mini14, and used to have a mini30. Of course shot placement is everything with smaller rounds, but stock mini14's have major accuracy issues, especially with their cheap barrels. You don't want to rely on it's stock accuracy to place a .223 where you need it. You could get a nice .270, .308, .30-06 or any proven big game caliber rifle for half the cost of the mini.
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Seacow,
Of course you're right. That metric system turns my brain to pure mush. Notice I didn't even try on the .223 (5.56 x something or other).
My point remains the same, though.
The .223 is too small to be ethical on hogs, or even deer. Do people use it? Yep. Does it kill animals? Yep. You can kill 'em with rocks, too. Should you hunt big game with rocks?
As for the mini-30, you'll be handicapping yourself at best. If it's all you own, go for it, but keep the shots close and practice that shot placement.
Seacow,
Of course you're right. That metric system turns my brain to pure mush. Notice I didn't even try on the .223 (5.56 x something or other).
My point remains the same, though.
The .223 is too small to be ethical on hogs, or even deer. Do people use it? Yep. Does it kill animals? Yep. You can kill 'em with rocks, too. Should you hunt big game with rocks?
As for the mini-30, you'll be handicapping yourself at best. If it's all you own, go for it, but keep the shots close and practice that shot placement.
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Thanx guys, it's just those guns look awesome and I have no ideas about what bullets can do what. But thanx. I think I want to get a 7mm Mag gun, seems like a good caliber for just about anything.
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Now THAT would be a good choice.
Now THAT would be a good choice.
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What's a good 7mm mag gun, I figue the most I'll spend is 600.00.
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Not to be a smarta$$, but the best gun is the one that feels best to you. Seriously.
Get out to a good showroom and try some out. Find one that fits and comes to shoulder smoothly. You can always have a smith adjust the fit to customize it (a good investment, and usually pretty cheap), but if you start with a rifle that feels good, you're way ahead in the accuracy game.
You really can't go wrong with any of the major manufacturers.
Personally, though, I'd probably lean toward the Savage 110 (or 111). That should be well within your price range, and it's a danged accurate rifle... especially for the price.
Whatever you get, top it with some good quality glass, the best you can afford, and don't look back. Check out the optics forum down in the guns area for some suggestions of good scopes.
Get out to a good showroom and try some out. Find one that fits and comes to shoulder smoothly. You can always have a smith adjust the fit to customize it (a good investment, and usually pretty cheap), but if you start with a rifle that feels good, you're way ahead in the accuracy game.
You really can't go wrong with any of the major manufacturers.
Personally, though, I'd probably lean toward the Savage 110 (or 111). That should be well within your price range, and it's a danged accurate rifle... especially for the price.
Whatever you get, top it with some good quality glass, the best you can afford, and don't look back. Check out the optics forum down in the guns area for some suggestions of good scopes.
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I have a mini 30 and it is the most in-accurate gun I own.!!! 7 inch 100 yard groups was the best i could do
I got mine because I am left handed and couldnt get a left bolt gun at the time (and ammo was only $1.99 a box and I was poor)
I would recomend a Springfield M1A1 if you want a semi auto. I have one and it gets more hunt time than any other gun I own
Ruger makes some good guns but the Mini 14-30 should be dropped from their line up. Two of the worst guns I have ever owned and almost put me off buying any more Rugers
My 2cents
I got mine because I am left handed and couldnt get a left bolt gun at the time (and ammo was only $1.99 a box and I was poor)
I would recomend a Springfield M1A1 if you want a semi auto. I have one and it gets more hunt time than any other gun I own
Ruger makes some good guns but the Mini 14-30 should be dropped from their line up. Two of the worst guns I have ever owned and almost put me off buying any more Rugers
My 2cents
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Mario
Check into the new .300WSM and 7mmWSM cartridges. They shoot Flat,Accurate and pack a wallup. They also shave 1/2 lb. or more do to the shorter action. I just picked one up for $620 out the door. It shoots sub 1" groups.
Check into the new .300WSM and 7mmWSM cartridges. They shoot Flat,Accurate and pack a wallup. They also shave 1/2 lb. or more do to the shorter action. I just picked one up for $620 out the door. It shoots sub 1" groups.
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Ditto to Specks comment, a 7mm is an excellent choice for a variety of applications, and you gotta...I repeat, GOTTA! get something that not only fits your needs...but fits YOU!!! It's gotta be something that's a pleasure to carry, as well, as shoot....and face it, a gun is not just a casual purchase, it's something you buy for a Lifetime! And if you're gonna keep it THAT long....you better be enjoying your choice! Don't hurry your decision, that's what your here on the forum for, right? Do your homework, take your time ask all these guys questions, and collectively everybody'll be glad to steer you in the right direction! It's better to learn what you need, right the first time, than have to UN-learn the JUNK (and alot less expensive,too).
And for scottOsan.....I had a friend give me a mini-30 last summer, when he got married to a non-gun gal and boy! what a waste of good metal that is! I'd be HAPPY with "Paper Plate" groups at 100 yds! Now I see why he GAVE it to me, probably could'nt see, selling it to someone for fear of retaliation!
Good Luck Mario, you'll have it all fall together soon, just don't rush into it!
Bob
And for scottOsan.....I had a friend give me a mini-30 last summer, when he got married to a non-gun gal and boy! what a waste of good metal that is! I'd be HAPPY with "Paper Plate" groups at 100 yds! Now I see why he GAVE it to me, probably could'nt see, selling it to someone for fear of retaliation!
Good Luck Mario, you'll have it all fall together soon, just don't rush into it!
Bob
You know the 30.06 is a great round. You can find them almost anywhere, every manufacturer them, they are somewhat inexpensive than other big game rounds , and will take down just about everything with less recoil than other rounds. Of course the .308 is almost ballistically identical to the 30.06 with a little less recoil and a shorter action. But like everyone says, get a rifle that fits you best. The 7.62x39 will kill pigs, but if your shot isn't true,you dont want to have to track down a wounded animal. The mini 30 is best left to plinking and target shooting. The ammo is super cheap especially Wolf brand when its on sale.
with such a HUGE selection of calibers on the market today, pick one that will be enough to take the kind of animals you hunt with the least amount of recoil. Nobody likes to shoot a gun that makes you flinch when you pull the trigger or kicks like a mule.
with such a HUGE selection of calibers on the market today, pick one that will be enough to take the kind of animals you hunt with the least amount of recoil. Nobody likes to shoot a gun that makes you flinch when you pull the trigger or kicks like a mule.
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I'm always one to advise against getting a 'magnum' caliber for a first hunting rifle for a few reasons:
--they aren't necessary
--they kick like a mule and can lead to bad shooting habits before good habits are formed
--ammo's so much more expensive than surplus .308 or .30-06 that you probably won't practice enough
--they're so loud (even with ear protection) that they affect your inner ear mechanism (those 3 funny-named bones) and your groups will start to open up after 15 shots or so
--you can buy a good .308, .270 or 30-06 AND a .22 so you can get good at shooting for a fraction of the cost for the same price as an upper end 7mm
--they aren't necessary
--they kick like a mule and can lead to bad shooting habits before good habits are formed
--ammo's so much more expensive than surplus .308 or .30-06 that you probably won't practice enough
--they're so loud (even with ear protection) that they affect your inner ear mechanism (those 3 funny-named bones) and your groups will start to open up after 15 shots or so
--you can buy a good .308, .270 or 30-06 AND a .22 so you can get good at shooting for a fraction of the cost for the same price as an upper end 7mm
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So the .270 is a good caliber for oinkers then. More accurate? Which is the most accurate?
wmidbrook makes some very good points. There's nothing in CA that can't be taken cleanly with a .270. Frankly, unless you're lucky enough to hunt bears in AK you can expand that to the entire North American continent.
Your shoulder will thank you and you'll end up hitting a lot more at the end of the day because you won't be flinching and not afraid to practice.
Don't underestimate that practice part though. I watched someone miss three shots at pigs within 40 yards with a .270 this last weekend because he'd only shot about 10 rounds through the gun...ever.
Your shoulder will thank you and you'll end up hitting a lot more at the end of the day because you won't be flinching and not afraid to practice.
Don't underestimate that practice part though. I watched someone miss three shots at pigs within 40 yards with a .270 this last weekend because he'd only shot about 10 rounds through the gun...ever.
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I guess we got a real good mini 14 & mini 30 both are accurate enough for what they were designed for, the 14 we got shoots just as good as a stock AR-15 my buddy has & the mini-30 is more accurate than the SKS & even my 7 yr old can hit paper plate sized gongs with it at 100 yrds 6 or 7 times out of 10. I'd take the mini over that damn AR anyday.
As far as hunting pigs with em, I personally wouldn't want to try it with a hyperactive 22 & the 7.62x39 ballistics look like they compare with a 30-30 but keep in mind a 7.62x39 usually has a 123-125 gr slug & the 30-30 has a 150-170 gr bullet.
As far as hunting pigs with em, I personally wouldn't want to try it with a hyperactive 22 & the 7.62x39 ballistics look like they compare with a 30-30 but keep in mind a 7.62x39 usually has a 123-125 gr slug & the 30-30 has a 150-170 gr bullet.
Hey Mariosjsk8, yes the .270 is a good gun for pigs. As for the question as to more accurate , more accurate than what? Accuracy is affected by a bunch of factors. The Barrel, action, bedding, ammo, shooting habits, etc. Some people say the most accurate gun is the one you practice the most with. Your new 30-30 like everyone says will be great for 125yrd shots and less. If you want to extend that range i would look at the .270 ,.308, 30.06 and like calibers. Guns made in these calibers can be found for very reasonable prices.
For pigs i would have to agree with wmidbrook. The Magnums are not really necessary, as long as you are not shooting past 300 yrds, which i believe you shouldn't. just my
Money also plays a factor. The more common the ammo (.270, .308,30.06) Usually the cheaper they are to purchase. Try and go to a Sporting good store or hardware store in podunk nowhere cause you forgot to buy ammo for your hunting trip and readilly get 7mm-08, 7mm Magnum or the WSM cartridges and or other ammo and you might be turning around to go home. By the way those are also just as good for hunting pig,
but more expensive and harder to find in some cases.
For pigs i would have to agree with wmidbrook. The Magnums are not really necessary, as long as you are not shooting past 300 yrds, which i believe you shouldn't. just my
Money also plays a factor. The more common the ammo (.270, .308,30.06) Usually the cheaper they are to purchase. Try and go to a Sporting good store or hardware store in podunk nowhere cause you forgot to buy ammo for your hunting trip and readilly get 7mm-08, 7mm Magnum or the WSM cartridges and or other ammo and you might be turning around to go home. By the way those are also just as good for hunting pig,
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Right "ON" the target reddog.....anybody (especially a first-timer) taking a 300 Yd.
shot at a pig.....which is like a calf with short-legs....is gonna be lookin' at a "Speck" on the horizon(at BEST)!....And if your lookin' thru GOOD "Glass", it'll still look like a Silver Dollar! Then the question arises..."How good am I REALLY???
And as for stores in "Podunk Nowhere"....where we're probably hunting MOST of the time, cause' that's where the GOOD hunting "IS".....it's a good chance they won't have a "Big" selection of what you've been puting thru your gun during practice firing and "Sighting-In", so like "dog" said, take plenty of your own ammo
so you'll have the same consistency during your hunt, that you did at the Range!
What I mean by "Selection" is the "Right" Bullet! Even if you're shootin' a common caliber....you probably'll be using a different bullet for Pigs, than you would for Deer! Just another 2 cents.....(now ya' almost got a nickel)
shot at a pig.....which is like a calf with short-legs....is gonna be lookin' at a "Speck" on the horizon(at BEST)!....And if your lookin' thru GOOD "Glass", it'll still look like a Silver Dollar! Then the question arises..."How good am I REALLY???
And as for stores in "Podunk Nowhere"....where we're probably hunting MOST of the time, cause' that's where the GOOD hunting "IS".....it's a good chance they won't have a "Big" selection of what you've been puting thru your gun during practice firing and "Sighting-In", so like "dog" said, take plenty of your own ammo
so you'll have the same consistency during your hunt, that you did at the Range!
What I mean by "Selection" is the "Right" Bullet! Even if you're shootin' a common caliber....you probably'll be using a different bullet for Pigs, than you would for Deer! Just another 2 cents.....(now ya' almost got a nickel)
