San Diego Wild Pig Removal Inc.

[BADBuckfever]

Anybody want to start a wild hog extermination business in San Diego county?

Could probably do ok with all of these freaked out San Diegans who cant stand wild pigs. I would be willing to help coordinate it. We could have some people "on-call," locals who could show up and deal with the little piggies. This could have a central headquarters where the complaints could be taken and then a dispatcher could call out someone to go to the location.

All we need to start this is PEOPLE and advertising. If we get our info to the DFG and USFS we could get referrals through them as well.

Any thoughts???

 

[palladin]

You'd probably have to get a business license.

DFG and USFS might also have rules regarding contracts with contractors/subcontractors that might apply.

 

[BADBuckfever]

Not if its non-profit. Right? Think of all the BBQs we could have. Just joking, but I dont think we would need to do that much to start it.

Paid in pork wouldn't be a bad salary would it?

We could simply ask for a donation (from the complaining parties) to help fund the operation our non-profit org.

 

[JMS]

I would be willing to be an on call person. Sounds like a lot of fun to me. I live in the IE so my response time would be a little slow though. If we got our names out there I bet ranchers would let us hunt their property with archery equipment for free. I would love to get paid in swine!!

 

[WoodGrain]

Im down! I was just telling my wife the other night that I would love to do that! I live in Riverside County. My response time would be a little while also.

WoodGrain

 

[Deleted member 33033]

You can start an animal damage control service w/o anything but a hunting license if you want. You need a commercial trapping license to use traps and sell the hogs but that ain't much. If you provide "free services" then you don't need a business license however, if you were to get one then you can legally DEDUCT the cost of fuel, guns, ammo, hunting equipt, perhaps a new Jeep...the list continues. Another $250 for insurance (in case you set fire to someone's property or something) and you're set.

 

[mezcan]

Sign me up. I live in San Clemente and am less than 2 hours to any point in the Trabuco or Palomar districts of the CNF. Descanso would be a little farther. I like the idea of "Paid in Pork". Could dispatch a problem porker with gun or bow. Licensed hunter in California Republic for 20 years. My tax lady says I need another house or a business to help my tax situation. I need another house like I need a hole in my head ! Bring on a hunting related business !!! " Paid in Pork " . Kind of a catchy name , don't you think ?

 

[RoosterKiller]

I live about 40 minutes from pig country. I should be on the "First to respond list" I could handle any immediate pig emergency that anyone might have.

 

[BADBuckfever]

First this operation needs to get ironed out what the "removal" would entail.
1. What types of situations are probable?
a. Emergency situations; immediate removal desired i.e. they got into a corral and the horses are freaking out (real story).
b. Non-emergency situations; timely removal desired i.e. the pigs are destroying property/crops etc...
2. What types of methods would be most effective in removing the pigs?
a. Traps - isn't baiting illegal? What other problems involved with trapping? Is it legal for wild pig?
b. Ambush style hunting - find where the pigs are coming onto the property and lie in wait.
c. Spot and stalk
d. Removal at night? Do we have to only use traps at night?

Can we effectively remove a group of pigs from a location w/o chasing them all over the place? Wont really know how hard it is until we do it. We may have to spend a few days or longer (?) in certain cases to completely remove a problem group. If they are against gun shots use a crossbow or compound bow. The only thing that could be a problem is making clean kills with the bow/crossbow.

Second we need to organize "The Removers"

1. Get people to sign up with when they are available etc...
2. Structure the removers into teams based on availability and location and (maybe more importantly) experience.
3. Reliability - be there when expected, ready to operate.
4. Training - safety, ethics and professionalism
I think at least two man teams would be a good thing, plus it allows more bow/gun shots. We could bring in more people if the needs arise.

Thirdly, the business aspects need to be addressed.
1. I was thinking we could have the persons sign a "waiver form" in case of damage to their persons or property caused in pursuit of the wild pigs. Make them sign it before services rendered.
2. Is this for profit or non-profit?
3. Any other legal issues. Creating an organization and maintaining it.
4. Money through payments or by donation collected needs to be accounted and tracked.
5. Structure, rules and leadership.
6. Advertising and networking.
These are some of the things I have been considering in conceptualizing this program.

HOW MANY OF YOU IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA WOULD BE INTERESTED AND ABLE TO BE INVOLVED IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS?
We got 4 interested so far.

 

[nickmetz]

I would be interested.
Incorporating would be the best way to go, Incorporating cost around $100 maybe up to $200, pass out stock to all of the owners, to remove liability from an individual. Insurance and advertising would be the only real costs upfront. Insurance may be pricey. We would need to get trapping licenses for those who go out, if the homeowner is unwilling to allow us to hunt, or in the case of Julian, where the houses are right on top of one another on 3/4 acre lots.

As long as the pig is not greased, catching it is not that hard, they do move quickly, and scare easily. Trapping probably would be best. for non gun, non corralled situations, also sending more than one guy to respond. I have no clue where to get the cages from, but the humane society should be able to point us in the right direction.
I think the first place to market would be the Forest Service and the agencies whom are getting the complaints, and let them refer people to us, or hire us for their lands.
Nick

Here piggy, piggy, piggy!! :hog chewing:

 

[bigboarstopper]

One of my friends is a state contract trapper who does most of the wild pig depredation for the state of california, county, city and larger private properties year round. There are only a few state contract trappers who do the bulk of hog depredation in california. These jobs usually go out to bid and usually they are the ones to get the contract. If they dont go out to bid then its pretty much a guarantee that one of them will get the contract at t&m. Theres very little hunting involved. Its 99% trapping. The trapper will come with a large flatbed stacked with traps. Either corral traps or box style. He will check, bait and set traps every day for months until the quota has been met. Between that he will run his hounds or shoot them if he comes across them. He sees his wife and kids mabye 2 weeknds a month.

 

[ChefTodd]

Put me on that list....I am up in Temecula, but work in La Jolla, so I am very familar with all of San Diego and Riverside counties.....

Cheers
Todd

 

[bsandls]

Ditto for being part of the "on-call" service. I got one of those infamous San Diego pigs about a year ago. It almost killed me getting it out and it was only a little one. So perspective members I recommend we all start getting in shape, oh and be and be careful what you wish for.

 

[BigSurArcher]

Just going out after them with bows or rifles like a regular hunt isn't going to get you many (if any at all) jobs. Fact. Like Bigboarstopper said, you will need to be trapping like crazy with dep. permits. What happens many times is when a certain guy or group isn't getting rid of as many pigs as the owner/ client wants, they are happy to pull the plug and find someone who can get the job done. It's not uncommon for guys to get fired even with a 30 pig per month average. Just something to consider.

 

[WoodGrain]

All I know is, I'm available on weekends and I would really like to do this. I have to much going on with my family/work/school life for any type of management in this program if this really gets started. I just want to show up and do the job. You all can count on me!

Here piggy piggy,

WoodGrain

 

[nickmetz]

I think the biggest goals here are to keep the government from slaughtering the pigs, and possibly get a contract to hunt them, instead of someone else getting a contract to kill the pigs. Yes, trapping is not easy, we are more interested in hunting than in trapping or other methods of removing, but will do it if we must. If we just remove the pigs to cover expenses and have corporate meetings, then we don't have to charge nearly as much as others. If we get some business, all we may do is help the guy described above spend some more time with his wife and kids.

 

[Vermonster]

I think we would also have to unionize to get a contract. That may be good, maybe we can work out a sweet deal with the governor..... :rotflmao:

 

[nickmetz]

I think the governor cares more about union money than union workers. With him cutting school money, I think all he cares about is money going back into his pockets. He doesn't even care about the Teachers union griping.

 

[bigboarstopper]

To get started in a competitave trapping business capable of getting a government contract your looking at 10k in traps minimum, yearly general liability insurance 3-5k, flatbed truck with flatbed trailer 20k+, travel trailer to live in with a truck to tow it 20k+or-, employee wages, daily perdium, food, fuel, hog bait, hog disposal, workers comp. And you have to underbid the competition thats been doing the job succesfully for the state for the last 15 years.

The client and the DFG will be in charge of which manner the hogs are removed. Trapping is usually the method most effective and chosen by the hiring agency and dfg. Wish you all the best of luck in your endevour but your really going to have to take a realistic look at what your attempting to do if you want to make it a realization.

 

[BADBuckfever]

Thanks for the wet blanket!