Sidearm Info I didn't expect

[Deleted member 33033]

Interesting factoid I just learned. Called Corbon to ask if their .40 cal DPX ammo would have adequate penetration for pig hunting. The response I got was compelling...a definite YES! In fact he said it would likely pass thru both shoulders (which is a serious claim given a boar's armor) and this is why.

The bullet's flower pattern allows flesh to pass thru it. The sharp edges of the mushroomed flower actually cut thru bone and flesh rather than relying solely on ballistics to 'push" the round thru. So the bullet actually has deeper penetration than a comparable lead bullet of equal weight/ballistics. I found this fascinating.

 

[ltdann]

Both shoulders? That's a bit optimistic. I've pulled out 12 ga slugs with that same pattern mushroom that have not blown thru deer.

Bruce, when you plan on taking that charging boar with your .40, call me. I'd love to see that!

'Course, I'd pay 50 cents to see a horse pee on a flat rock, too!

 

[527varmint]

New bullet designs are very impressive for penetration. Lots of people killing hogs and deer with .223 and get total pass thru with TSX. The dpx is similar in design and will perform good for a given weight. The problem with smaller calibers like .40 and 10mm are the limited weight due to copper bullets being longer. I would use atleast 10mm with 200gr WFNGC. If you have to go lead free you might pick up a used 44mag. If you are an excellent shot you might shoot a hog in the ear with a 40. I wouldn't try it on the boiler room. Most guns chambered in 40 are also combat accurate. Generaly a revolver is going to provide more range cuz its way more accurate. The 10mm is marginal for hunting hog and the .40 is very under powered. I wouldn't do it. Heck with the price of DPX ammo by the time you get a few boxes your halfway to new hog gun!

 

[Deleted member 33033]

I am getting a Redhawk .454 Casull but right now my G22 will have to do. I suspect if drawn, the shot will be danger close since I am bowhunting hogs.

 

[FoCoHugh]

My 40 just got more exciting!

 

[myfriendis410]

I watched my best friend shoot a hog at fifteen feet with his .44 mag/240 JHP's SIX TIMES!!!! I finally had to cap it with my 7 mm r.m. So, you go right ahead and pot one with a .40 S & W (abbreviation for "short and weak"). I think your .454 Casull is a whole different kettle of fish, and ought to do pretty well given good bullet placement.

You can kill a hog with a .22 short, but you should plan on Murphy being in your hip pocket when you're about to pull the trigger.

 

[3056_HUNTER]

I've shot a pit bull 3x center mass with a 9mm and have seen on get shot in the forehead with a .45 cal...both took a full hour to die. I'd take nothing less than a 357mag to pig hunt with.

 

[MX283]

3056_hunter, I'm curious why you shot a pit bull? Are you in law enforcement?

 

[phatdog]

I've shot a pit bull 3x center mass with a 9mm and have seen on get shot in the forehead with a .45 cal...both took a full hour to die. I'd take nothing less than a 357mag to pig hunt with.

I understand that in certain situations dogs need to be shot.
But what reason did you have for waiting a full hour for it to die? Why not just put two more shots into it and end it.

 

[Dain V]

I understand that in certain situations dogs need to be shot.
But what reason did you have for waiting a full hour for it to die? Why not just put two more shots into it and end it.

You beat me to it phat dog. Understood, sometimes dogs posing a threat to officers and the general public must be destroyed, but why would you let it suffer for an hour? Do you treat game with the same amount of respect. Now I understand why the north hollywood bank robbers bled out, but a dog deserves to be put down humanly.

Now back on topic. From a incident i observed a 40mm is a poor choice for hogs. I have been contemplating a 10mm glock for a dual purpose defense/hunting pistol, and after researching loads i feel with proper handloading and shot placement, the 10mm will be adequate at best. Honestly i cant think why somebody would need a handgun when bowhunting hogs except to put the Razor Dobbs finishing move on one.

 

[k_rad]

Knew I read this somewhere. In the DFG Wild Pig Hunting Guide it recommends you don't use any hand gun smaller than a .454 Casull for hunting pigs. With the exception of a 44 mag. but only for 90lbs. or less...
The law says any center fire is legal.

 

[myfriendis410]

Knew I read this somewhere. In the DFG Wild Pig Hunting Guide it recommends you don't use any hand gun smaller than a .454 Casull for hunting pigs. With the exception of a 44 mag. but only for 90lbs. or less...
The law says any center fire is legal.

Which is just plain stupid. I've said that before.

 

[phatdog]

I've shot a pit bull 3x center mass with a 9mm and have seen on get shot in the forehead with a .45 cal...both took a full hour to die. I'd take nothing less than a 357mag to pig hunt with.

Nothing?????

 

[Eagle Peak]

Section 3056 of the California Penal Code refers to a parolee-at-large; it sounds like 3056_Hunter is a parole agent. Where you find parolees, you find pit bulls. I have been charged by both a pit bull and a wounded 175-pound sow that my group thought was dead. I would take an angry sow any day of the week over a pit bull (besides, sows taste better).

As an aside, I shot the sow five times with my .45 Springfield Armory loaded with Ranger rounds before she dropped. I would, based on my experience (it was one of my first pig hunts), avoid huting pigs with semi-autos, and stick with large caliber revolvers (I will stick to my 30.06, thank you very much).

 

[acousticmood]

Bruce - penetration is not the whole story. Dispersed energy plays a large part in killing an animal. Check out this site for some good information http://www.ballistics101.com/

It was interesting to me that some .357 mag loads approach .44 mag in delivered energy.

 

[phatdog]

Section 3056 of the California Penal Code refers to a parolee-at-large; it sounds like 3056_Hunter is a parole agent. Where you find parolees, you find pit bulls. I have been charged by both a pit bull and a wounded 175-pound sow that my group thought was dead. I would take an angry sow any day of the week over a pit bull (besides, sows taste better).

As an aside, I shot the sow five times with my .45 Springfield Armory loaded with Ranger rounds before she dropped. I would, based on my experience (it was one of my first pig hunts), avoid huting pigs with semi-autos, and stick with large caliber revolvers (I will stick to my 30.06, thank you very much).

No doubt, like i said. Sometimes dogs have to be shot/culled for various different reasons.
Especially bulldogs, there has probably been more bulldogs that have been shot than any other breed around. But the question is to why did he wait a full hour for the dog to die? Im sure there is a reasonable explanation, im just interested as to what it is..
Surely he could have put a few more rounds into it and ended it sooner. Maybe he wanted the pit bull to bleed out so the meat tasted better????

 

[mtnsammy]

Ranch pigs are killed with a 22 in the pen. Shot placement is where it is at.

Now when they are charging and you are seconds from wetting your pants.... yes the bigger the better. Killing a pit or killing a boar you need to shoot where it counts. This is where I enjoy the harvest with a little adrenaline.

I just started carrying my 45 as a side arm and now have a 44 that I am working on a carry holster to hunt with too. I am tired of 300 yard shots and want a bigger thrill. I am far from a great hunter but for 25 years I have been taught and practice shot placement. Sooooooo many hunters on the first day sighting in talk about accuracy then miss the target the first 3-6 shots. Shoot till the ammo costs too much, aim straight, kill quickly. Never let any beast wait to die an hour even a parolee's pit.

As for 3056-hunter.... Been there..... after the first shot and the threat is assumed to over it is very hard to fire the mercy round and end the life. Articulation in the reporting is what makes a good cop. Injured animals are a bigger threat than one running around during a search warrant. If you shoot it make sure it dies even if it takes a second shot and a few hours with the supervisor.

 

[buccwylde]

I have been charged by both a pit bull and a wounded 175-pound sow that my group thought was dead. I would take an angry sow any day of the week over a pit bull (besides, sows taste better).

How does a pitbull taste like? Just kidding. Shot placement is what counts. For example, if you shoot a hog with a 700 Nitro Express you won't kill it if you hit just the feet.

 

[myfriendis410]

Ranch pigs are killed with a 22 in the pen. Shot placement is where it is at.

Now when they are charging and you are seconds from wetting your pants.... yes the bigger the better. Killing a pit or killing a boar you need to shoot where it counts. This is where I enjoy the harvest with a little adrenaline.

I just started carrying my 45 as a side arm and now have a 44 that I am working on a carry holster to hunt with too. I am tired of 300 yard shots and want a bigger thrill. I am far from a great hunter but for 25 years I have been taught and practice shot placement. Sooooooo many hunters on the first day sighting in talk about accuracy then miss the target the first 3-6 shots. Shoot till the ammo costs too much, aim straight, kill quickly. Never let any beast wait to die an hour even a parolee's pit.

As for 3056-hunter.... Been there..... after the first shot and the threat is assumed to over it is very hard to fire the mercy round and end the life. Articulation in the reporting is what makes a good cop. Injured animals are a bigger threat than one running around during a search warrant. If you shoot it make sure it dies even if it takes a second shot and a few hours with the supervisor.

If you want a thrill; use a bow! There is no rush quite like that one, especially when you have half-a-dozen of 'em all around you at less than 30 yards for 20 minutes or so.......

 

[Dain V]

If you want a thrill; use a bow! There is no rush quite like that one, especially when you have half-a-dozen of 'em all around you at less than 30 yards for 20 minutes or so.......

Couldn't agree more, that is why i hunt.