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SKYROCKETING HUNTING COSTS -- jim matthews column-ons -- 28nov07

Are skyrocketing license and tag fees driving hunters away?

By JIM MATTHEWS Outdoor News Service

In the past decade, the number of hunters in the nation has dropped by 10
percent in this country, with some of the biggest declines in the Western
states. In California, only one percent of the population 16 years old or older
hunted last year. This is in stark contrast to Montana where 19 percent of the
residents hunted.

Yet, the cost of hunting has increased with fewer and fewer hunters paying more
and more in license and tag fees. The amount of revenue generated for state and
federal programs has steadily increased because of these fee increases.

Is it these increasing costs that are running hunters away from the sport? Have
we simply priced blue-collar sportsmen out of the market?

In 1989, a California hunting license cost $19.75, and since that was before
the Upland Bird stamp, that price included resident game bird hunting. If you
look at what that license should cost in today’s dollars, the price (according
to the Consumer Price Index) should be $33.28. Instead, the cost is $37.30 for
the basic license and another $7.60 for the upland bird stamp for a total of
$44.90 -- a 227 percent increase or 56 percent more than can be attributed to
mere inflation.

But our home states are about the only place a lot of us can afford to hunt
these days. Non-resident fees are even more gouging.

When I last bought a non-resident antelope permit in Wyoming, it cost $105 in
1992. In today’s adjusted dollars that same license should only cost $156.37.
But it’s actually $286. Interestingly, you almost can’t get drawn for a general
pronghorn tag today for the hunts I generally applied for back then (five to
six percent drawing success rates vs. 80 to 90 percent draw rates in the early
1990s), so they offer a $30 preference point to give you additional chances in
the draw for each year you buy a preference point. With the maximum number of
preference points, I still would only face about a 25 percent chance of getting
a tag. But wait, if you want to cough up $526 (plus the $30 for the preference
point in case you don’t get drawn), you are put in a special tag pool, and your
drawing odds jump up to nearly 100 percent, especially if you have a preference
point or two.

The reality is that to get a pronghorn tag as easily as I did in the early
1990s (when I was drawn every year I applied), I would have to spend $556 to
have a reasonable shot at a tag in Wyoming these days.

I went back and checked my tax returns. I don’t make 2 1/2 times what I did in
1992, and I certainly don’t make five times as much. Yet, the Wyoming Game and
Fish Department is raking in those kinds of dollars on mere antelope tags.

Tag increases of these magnitudes and more are common throughout the West. The
cost of bull elk licenses have jumped almost beyond what an average working man
can afford.

In Idaho, a general non-resident hunting license ($141.50) and elk tag
($372.50) will set you back $514 for the 2008 season. Adding a deer will cost
another $255.50, and if you want to hunt upland birds while you’re there, tack
on another $81.75. The good news is that Idaho sells its general big game
licenses on a first-come, first-serve basis starting Dec. 1 each.

In Wyoming, the 2008 elk license will cost $591 unless you want to get in the
special pool where your odds of getting a tag are better, and then you’ll pay
$1,071. The elk bonus point is $50 each year over and above these costs. In
Arizona, the basic hunting license in 2007 was $151.25 -- and you have to buy
that before you can even apply for an elk tag -- and the elk tag was another
$595. Colorado looked like a bargain with its $501 elk license for this past
fall.

Most of the average hunters I know don’t even apply for things like bighorn
sheep or moose anymore because most states require that you include the whole
tag amount when applying, which the agency keeps for three to six months,
before sending you a refund when you don’t draw a tag. In Colorado, the bighorn
tag fee was $1,716 this season, and a sheep tag will set you back $2,266 in
Wyoming for this coming fall.

Once upon a time, a guy could simply send in the application fee of $5 or $6
and pay the tag fee IF he was drawn. A lot of regular guys applied for sheep
hunts in all the Western states. Not any more. It has become a wealthy man’s
activity. Game departments have nestled up in bed with guides and outfitters to
make sure wealthy clients have a better chance at getting limited tags. It’s
become a racket, but game agencies say it is needed to help them cover their
growing costs -- which is bunk, of course.

If the agencies’ fees weren’t so high and the tag allocation system wasn’t
biased toward those with the most money, maybe license and tag sales wouldn’t
be steadily declining. Maybe agencies wouldn’t need to keep raising fees and
selling the soul of hunting to the highest bidder.
 

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IMHO, we are moving in the same direction as the European countries. Where eventually only the gentry can afford to hunt or are allowed to.
My brother and I have looked into DIY landowner tags and it has gotten almost as expensive as fully guided hunts...
 

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I think Wyoming's way of allowing people with more money a better chance in the draw is complete B.S. I don't mind a few tags being offered in a fundraising auction, but to give people preference because thay have more money isn't right. This isn't free enterprise, it's the government selling the opportunity to enjoy our hunting heritage. The animals are public assets.
 

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I use to put in for out of state hunts but the prices are just out of control and piss me off when I realize what I use to pay.

I have seen from the 80's too today that many things are going the wrong direction, until they go belly up!
 

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guess I'm not following the relevance of this article other than a hunter whine?

All prices are up-- bread, milk, gasoline, daily ski passes, golf fees.... My house is worth 3x what I bought it for in 1994..... so what...

As resources become more scarce, the competition and cost of them will go up.
 

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Fantastic article. I knew that it was a lot different now, but it really hits home to see it in numbers. The higher base prices are one thing, the "special pool" stuff is complete crap.
 

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Difficulty also lies in letting the local, in state folks, have most of the tags. It is a difficult balancing act each state has to keep. Of course, that is who each state must try to keep happy. Those that live in the state, own land in the state, and work in that state.

I don't think we can push very hard, because, the various states can make things worse!!

Especially mule deer is going to move in the limited direction as we go. Unlimited tags just don't work. Elk populations are exploding and getting a cow tag is usually possible. The questions are how much is it worth to you. Use a tag service if you can't handle all the hoops each state makes you jump over!

It is difficult trying to schedule vacation without knowing what you will draw.

We all must change as we see change.
 

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Yeah, it's nutty. I spent more time in the field when I had two nickels to rub together than I can afford nowadays. Vehicles, terminal gear, tags, food, gas, lodging, gas, gas...are all way too expensive.

That whole fewer people hunting thing just makes no sense at all to me. Perhaps from an analytical standpoint the numbers jive, but there is WAY more hunting and fishing pressure than in even recent years past. Heck, Montana was a non-resident zoo this year. These tag fees are nothing to folks in the 'new truck' tax bracket. I have no doubt they could double the fees (in certain states) and feel little impact on tag sales. I mean, I can't even count the number of $50,000 trucks pulling $20-40K+ in quads and gear I see on any public access land. One after the other. Pretty shocking - to me anyway.

I agree with you guys. I think easymoney's right on. It's too easy to head down that euro path. Same model, different locale on the globe is all. And it's not this state or that state. It's everywhere. And attached to all commerce.

With the internet, we can all research and communicate all the best spots. More folks can look up wildlife information for given geographic areas. Play lotteries and deadlines for tags like their in Vegas or watching an ebay auction. Locked up private land access, more hunters turn to payed guides and outfitters which drives prices up and availability down, etc...It's all tied together. More and more shared information means more and more focussed and common thinking, which also means more and more stress and anxiety because combat hunting/fishing is actually the LAST thing any of us want. We built it and now we don't want it. That's a tough place to be.
 

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Fairest way imo to make hunting more accessible to those enthusiasts who want to participate in the sport the most would be to make the cost of tags the same for both residents and non-residents.

I hear guys here griping in Utah that they won't think hunting's worth it when they have to spend more than a 100 dollars for an over the counter tag. Well, imo, they ought to skip hunting and go drink beer at a campground.... they wouldn't hunt because they aren't willing to spend $100 for an elk tag reflects the lack of interest they have in hunting....it's a casual, not passionate interest to such folks.

In contrast, you have non-residents willing to spend more than $1000 for a public lands tag. I simply wish non-residents would not have to subsidize the mildly interested hunters' camping trip each fall.
 

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Whether we like it or not, there is probably nothing you can do about it unless we as hunters stop buying out of state tags. Wildlife is a state resource and the state can charge any price they like to out of staters and you have no say in it. Only way to "voice" your opinion is with your money. I don't know at what price the breaking point will be, but the prices right now are still not high enough to stop thousands of hunter from buying tags yearly.

And don't just look out of state, what happened to the pig tags in Cali? In my opinion its way to much, but yet its still not high enough for me to stop hunting pigs. The state knows this and just wants to maximize income.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Speckmisser @ Nov 30 2007, 08:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
So what're ya gonna do about it?[/b]

Play along and join Golden Ram in 2009.. (shrug)
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I hate to be a fatalist but I think there is nothing we can do. The cost of tags out of state has gotten out of control.
And then throw this points crap on top of it all. I used to draw a prime tag in Wyoming year after year.
Haven't drawn it since 2000. So I gave up and concentrate on California.
 

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TM, I think you're pretty much right. So is Shot. The only thing we, as hunters, can do is stop buying tags. Stop hunting. Vote with our pocketbooks.

But, to me, and apparently to a lot of other folks, that's not a step I'm ready to take. It's bad, but not that bad.

Such a boycott would require a hugely coordinated strike, both by non-resident hunters as well as residents. Anything short of that would be a pointless gesture, and the only ones who'd be hurt would be the hunters who gave up their passion for the cause.
 

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Bah...Out of the things that I throw money away at, buying tags and licenses are not at the top of the list. Since it goes to the DFG of the state, which I like to support [ look at the guys in Nevada who took their life in their hands to save two Bull Elk, for instance] I have no qualms..

Idaho's out of state tag fee, to name just one, is almost the same as California's in state tag for Elk.

I use Cabela's Tag system, which floats some of the fees and puts you into lotteries for draw tags. It's a great system.

I bet you spend more money on TV [sat/cable], movies and other things that do not give a 1/100 of the amount of enjoyment afield.
Justmy2cents,
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Montana takes care of their 62 & over hunters & fishermen with affordable conservation licenses :resident 62 yrs bear,deer,elk,upland birds & fishing $85 for turkey add $6.50 w/o a bear tag it's $70.In 1999 the conservation license was $52.
 

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As I started to read this article, I though alright, someone in the "media" that is on the side for the working hunter!

But then I came to "game and fish departments are nestled up in bed with guides and outfitters". This really PI$$ED me off!!

I am a guide and I have not profitted from the rising cost AT ALL! This is TOTAL B.S. !! Jim you need to get a clue!!

I have two kids that just came of age to hunt. For a family small game license of four and to apply for Javelina cost us over $200.00, then put a deer tag on top of that is another $200.00. Now try an Elk tag, come on!

The game and fish say that they want to get kids more involved, take a kid hunting. So what better way than to raise the cost so that the "working" family can't afford it! I personally wondered why the AZGFD was pumping millions each year into the Ben Avery shooting range, when it is way out of the way for 75% of Arizona residents. Now it all comes around, that is where the new AZGFD headquarters is! Why not fund watering holes, law enforcement, habitat ect?? It seems that they leave that up to the Rocky Mountain Mule Deer Foundation and others like them.

This months Eastmans Hunting Journal has a reply from the California GFD on this very topic. I don't really agree with it!

The guides and outfitters in AZ are what seems at odds with the AZGFD! We are targets plan and simple. I have been talking to many guides about forming an organization to have a say in how things are handled here. Don't you think the guides and outfitters promote trophy game? If the AZGFD is lacking the funds for survey, why not use a great resourse?

I don't know of any guide that welcomed the raise in cost, in fact many have kids of their own!

In fact, if you remember right, the AZGFD said they were raising cost in rebuttle to an outfitter in New Mexico that sued AZGFD.

I can go on forever, but the more I think about this, the more PI$$ED I get!

I wish I had Jim's personal e-mail, I think my Christian language would be put to test!
 

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Good point Ricardo. I'm not sure where he got that tidbit. I don't think I've ever come across a guide or outfitter who was particularly fond of the GFD in any state. To say they are in bed together is absurd.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SDHNTR @ Dec 2 2007, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Good point Ricardo. I'm not sure where he got that tidbit. I don't think I've ever come across a guide or outfitter who was particularly fond of the GFD in any state. To say they are in bed together is absurd.[/b]
ABSURD, yes , but the exception might be Wyoming !
 
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