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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Speckmisser @ Oct 14 2008, 10:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Right on!!!
Right on!!!
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Well said Spec,
All good points, although I don't quite see the "pure venom"? Sure, some of us have throw out some speculation, conjecture and raised some questions but I don't see "pure venom". Just some tough questions being posed? JMHO but I see more of a dialogue about what used to be, what is happening and what’s to come… Just like the whole steroids in baseball thing being discussed and dissected from every angle… When we recognize a potential negative trend or single event in the sport that we love, it concerns us. Sure, some of us may go off half cocked but only because we are so passionate about it. I’ve also seen this type of thing in the Professional Bass fishing circuit too.
I submit that this type of discussion is exactly what many of us come here for. To exchange thoughts, ideas, etc. on what’s going on in “our sport”? What Deerslam said is true too however, we have to be careful to NOT be polarized and cannibalize our own, the anit’s love that! But I think that the open discussion about what is going on and what “could” happen is healthy too.
Anywhere there is money to be made, there will be “cheating”… I like your idea of taking the $ out of it, that would solve many of the issues!
JMHO YMMV
All good points, although I don't quite see the "pure venom"? Sure, some of us have throw out some speculation, conjecture and raised some questions but I don't see "pure venom". Just some tough questions being posed? JMHO but I see more of a dialogue about what used to be, what is happening and what’s to come… Just like the whole steroids in baseball thing being discussed and dissected from every angle… When we recognize a potential negative trend or single event in the sport that we love, it concerns us. Sure, some of us may go off half cocked but only because we are so passionate about it. I’ve also seen this type of thing in the Professional Bass fishing circuit too.
I submit that this type of discussion is exactly what many of us come here for. To exchange thoughts, ideas, etc. on what’s going on in “our sport”? What Deerslam said is true too however, we have to be careful to NOT be polarized and cannibalize our own, the anit’s love that! But I think that the open discussion about what is going on and what “could” happen is healthy too.
Anywhere there is money to be made, there will be “cheating”… I like your idea of taking the $ out of it, that would solve many of the issues!
JMHO YMMV
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Venom is anytime conjecture and rumor get dropped into a conversation... they poison the discussion from that point on, tainting it with unfounded doubts about a person that most of the folks in the conversation don't even know.
It's not just this particular elk I'm on about, by the way, but this is the same in every "discussion" every time there's a new trophy animal (or fish) put in the books. There seems to be a rush to discredit the "accomplishment", and the conversation becomes toxic with speculation and conjecture... high fence, poached, too much let-off on his bow, non-standard weapon, etc.
Do away with the record books and the monetary incentives, and let's see how much of this goes on then.
It's not just this particular elk I'm on about, by the way, but this is the same in every "discussion" every time there's a new trophy animal (or fish) put in the books. There seems to be a rush to discredit the "accomplishment", and the conversation becomes toxic with speculation and conjecture... high fence, poached, too much let-off on his bow, non-standard weapon, etc.
Do away with the record books and the monetary incentives, and let's see how much of this goes on then.
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Could you imagine an epic antlerless hunt getting the same amount of attention as the Spider Bull hunt?
...I can see it now:
There I was, in nirvana, surrounded by the chirps of over 1,000 cows feeding in a meadow before me as I sat on the edge of aspen grove. To the far end was 50 doe deer and a small herd of antelope just below the rise.
...I can see it now:
There I was, in nirvana, surrounded by the chirps of over 1,000 cows feeding in a meadow before me as I sat on the edge of aspen grove. To the far end was 50 doe deer and a small herd of antelope just below the rise.
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Regardless of spider-mania....there are still good bulls on the Monroe. No doubt.
Personnally, I would forego the increased difficulty of drawing a Monroe tag given the (possibly unwarrented) tinsel and added point value to that hunt. Nonetheless, maybe you...yes, you....can get a son of Spider....if it's worth it to you to pool with a couple thousand of other hunter...well, amen, god bless you and I hope you draw a tag.
Meanwhile, I'll go for somewhere where I have a darned good chance at both landing a tag and drawing that string of my bow to my anchor point....
Personnally, I would forego the increased difficulty of drawing a Monroe tag given the (possibly unwarrented) tinsel and added point value to that hunt. Nonetheless, maybe you...yes, you....can get a son of Spider....if it's worth it to you to pool with a couple thousand of other hunter...well, amen, god bless you and I hope you draw a tag.
Meanwhile, I'll go for somewhere where I have a darned good chance at both landing a tag and drawing that string of my bow to my anchor point....
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There probably is no "son of spider".
He was probably one of those bulls that didn't breed. Dr. Valerus G (I don't remember how to spell his name) wrote that some bulls or bucks grew huge racks because they did not participate in the rut thus they went into hard winters in great shape which gave them the body conditioning to use more nutrition towards growing monster racks.
He was probably one of those bulls that didn't breed. Dr. Valerus G (I don't remember how to spell his name) wrote that some bulls or bucks grew huge racks because they did not participate in the rut thus they went into hard winters in great shape which gave them the body conditioning to use more nutrition towards growing monster racks.
