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Hey Fellas
I have skimmed through these honey hole posts. I have a couple of things to say. Last I checked we still have free speech in the USof A. If some one wants to tell you something so be it. Take it or Leave it. Pass it on or not. Also think of the time your spending reading and rewritting the same thing on this thread.
Could your kids use some help on homework?? or have you helped your wife out lately with home duties?? Maybe spending more time with them and less beating this dead horse may improve your outlook toward your fellow man.
Yours for thought
I have skimmed through these honey hole posts. I have a couple of things to say. Last I checked we still have free speech in the USof A. If some one wants to tell you something so be it. Take it or Leave it. Pass it on or not. Also think of the time your spending reading and rewritting the same thing on this thread.
Could your kids use some help on homework?? or have you helped your wife out lately with home duties?? Maybe spending more time with them and less beating this dead horse may improve your outlook toward your fellow man.
Yours for thought
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RIFLEMAN I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head. I work hard to find places to hunt and yes I have been pointed in the right direction on more than one occasion. There are alot of issues here! The one that gets under my skin the most is : If you pack it in then you better damn well pack it out. I can't tell you how many times I have been embarassed by the actions of those that do not share the same convictions as myself. I would much rather take someone hunting than tell them where to go. I don't mind sharing any info with true hunters, but what I have seen makes me a little wary. Are the guys that trashed my favorite deer spot reading this?
Stay well,
JKVSHOOTER
Stay well,
JKVSHOOTER
Question,I hunted FHL last year for the first time,I hiked over a ridge and looked across to the opisite ridge where another hunter had just toped out comming toward me! Is this my secret hot spot or should I have asked him if he had been here before?Shall we share it? It was in area #9 (ooups It sliped out )
Now everybody knows. PS I never saw a pig all weekend!
Rifleman,
Thanks for posting that. You are obviously the better writer and clearly said what I wanted to say.
And why is it that in the tread people keep on referring back to FHL or some military land. That place has no "honey holes". I think its the most hunted place in California. Just look at opening day of deer season.
I have a great spot in the wilderness (public land) that I have been hunting for 6 years. I have taken over 15 pigs from there. I am not talking about undiscovered land, but talking about a place that most hunters would oversee. In fact I have only seen one other person there and he was a tree hugger. My hunting group and I know that we found something great, and we all know to keep our mouths shut. If I post it here for a newbie looking for a great spot not only would he go but God knows who else he would tell.
The people who are angry at me for not giving up my "honey holes" either don't have a "honey hole" of their own or very generous people themselves that would post up their "honey holes" in a heart beat.
This doesn't mean that I only take from JHO and dont give back. The proof is in the old posts.
Thanks for posting that. You are obviously the better writer and clearly said what I wanted to say.
And why is it that in the tread people keep on referring back to FHL or some military land. That place has no "honey holes". I think its the most hunted place in California. Just look at opening day of deer season.
I have a great spot in the wilderness (public land) that I have been hunting for 6 years. I have taken over 15 pigs from there. I am not talking about undiscovered land, but talking about a place that most hunters would oversee. In fact I have only seen one other person there and he was a tree hugger. My hunting group and I know that we found something great, and we all know to keep our mouths shut. If I post it here for a newbie looking for a great spot not only would he go but God knows who else he would tell.
The people who are angry at me for not giving up my "honey holes" either don't have a "honey hole" of their own or very generous people themselves that would post up their "honey holes" in a heart beat.
This doesn't mean that I only take from JHO and dont give back. The proof is in the old posts.
Some younguns on this thread for sure.
Heres a short story for you to ponder.
My dad started taking me and my brothers to FHL back around 63...........used to see condors and pigs every trip. I took many of my freinds hunting there throughout the late 60's and into the 70's. if every one i took took 3 freinds and they took three freinds , who took three freinds, well then you are probably one of the freinds of the freinds of the freinds of my freinds that my dad kicked me in the butt for bringing down there.
Just be glad fhl allows us to hunt. they can close it any time they want. AGAIN.
THANKS JESSE I NEEDED TO RANT
Heres a short story for you to ponder.
My dad started taking me and my brothers to FHL back around 63...........used to see condors and pigs every trip. I took many of my freinds hunting there throughout the late 60's and into the 70's. if every one i took took 3 freinds and they took three freinds , who took three freinds, well then you are probably one of the freinds of the freinds of the freinds of my freinds that my dad kicked me in the butt for bringing down there.
Just be glad fhl allows us to hunt. they can close it any time they want. AGAIN.
THANKS JESSE I NEEDED TO RANT
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As one of the "youngsters" on this site, I can't afford to pay a guide or join a club...at least until I graduate and get that tuition off my back! But I love to hunt just the same, even if it is on beat up public land. I found JHO in an attempt to explore some new areas, and I must admit the postings on this site helped me decide on hunting Lake Sonoma for the first time yesterday. My eyes about bugged out of my skull from all the sign I saw! But here is some food for thought:
I hiked all day in what I thought was a pretty decent area without seeing any pigs. I nestled down in the area where I found the freshest sign and watched the sun fade knowing it was just a matter of time. With about 30 minutes of daylight left, two hunters trudged there way back towards camp (yes, they were just walking the ridgeline). They were the only other hunters I saw all day, but as they plowed through the brush they kicked out five small pigs. Unfortunately, they passed me at about 70 yards away doing mach one, but they were the only pigs I saw all day! Nobody likes bumping into other hunters, but sometimes they work to your advantage as well!
I hiked all day in what I thought was a pretty decent area without seeing any pigs. I nestled down in the area where I found the freshest sign and watched the sun fade knowing it was just a matter of time. With about 30 minutes of daylight left, two hunters trudged there way back towards camp (yes, they were just walking the ridgeline). They were the only other hunters I saw all day, but as they plowed through the brush they kicked out five small pigs. Unfortunately, they passed me at about 70 yards away doing mach one, but they were the only pigs I saw all day! Nobody likes bumping into other hunters, but sometimes they work to your advantage as well!
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I wonder...
What if there was a JHO forum section that only allowed members with X-number of months time and X-number of regular forum posts the ability to view. Would some people be more willing to post freely? or would they still fear that masses of internet searching newbies would decend upon their favorite spot?
Let y'all be warned, if you help me to your honey-hole, I can assure you that I will use that information to help someone else if I can. It's a personal choice for me to do so. Because I make no promisses otherwise, it cannot be a moral issue.
What if there was a JHO forum section that only allowed members with X-number of months time and X-number of regular forum posts the ability to view. Would some people be more willing to post freely? or would they still fear that masses of internet searching newbies would decend upon their favorite spot?
Let y'all be warned, if you help me to your honey-hole, I can assure you that I will use that information to help someone else if I can. It's a personal choice for me to do so. Because I make no promisses otherwise, it cannot be a moral issue.
All that would do is create more generic responses like "congrats- great shot-thanks for sharing-cool pic-etc..." which happens enough so that people on forums can get a label under there name.
Secret spots should be looked at like a lock on a good race horse, Vegas was built on losers...
Secret spots should be looked at like a lock on a good race horse, Vegas was built on losers...
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If you have no better sense than to draw the whole world (wide web) a map to your best hunting spot, then I can only hope you have enough sense to expect that the whole world will be there the next time you go.
BUT...
If you don't have any better sense than to think you're the only person who has discovered that spot... well... you may as well share it with the world.
There are very few "secrets" on public land. There are even fewer people who can keep one to themselves.
BUT...
If you don't have any better sense than to think you're the only person who has discovered that spot... well... you may as well share it with the world.
There are very few "secrets" on public land. There are even fewer people who can keep one to themselves.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BLASTMASTER @ Jan 25 2007, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Blastmaster,
Thats your choice and I respect that, but for reasons like that I would never post a "honey hole." Lets say I tell you of a place that holds pigs and tell you how to hunt that area, and lets say this place is so good that you have about 40-50% chance of getting a pig. Now you go and tell someone else, and that someone else tells another person, and so on. Soon there are a lot of people visiting the same area and using the same method to hunt it. For obvious reasons the place would not be as productive anymore.
People say this is selfish, well, that might be so. What if you busted your a$$ off and found a gold mine and didn't tell anyone and kept it all to yourself, is that wrong? Would you tell people you didn't know? Would you post about it on JHO for all to see? (I think only Jesus would say yes to the last question)
I am not complaining about people posting up "honey holes" on the net. Thats their personal choice, and I respect that. And if that so called "honey hole" was the one I hunt at, I would never bash on that person for posting about it. Like everyone else has said, its public land.
Honey holes do get "discovered" by the masses. Like Franklin3 said, FHL used to be his dad's honey hole (thats amazing). So I don't expect to have my "honey holes" forever, I mean I am sure other people know about, just not that many to case the pigs to become nocturnal or scatter (for now that is). And for that reason I still work hard with my hunting partners at finding new places to hunt.
Blastmaster,
Thats your choice and I respect that, but for reasons like that I would never post a "honey hole." Lets say I tell you of a place that holds pigs and tell you how to hunt that area, and lets say this place is so good that you have about 40-50% chance of getting a pig. Now you go and tell someone else, and that someone else tells another person, and so on. Soon there are a lot of people visiting the same area and using the same method to hunt it. For obvious reasons the place would not be as productive anymore.
People say this is selfish, well, that might be so. What if you busted your a$$ off and found a gold mine and didn't tell anyone and kept it all to yourself, is that wrong? Would you tell people you didn't know? Would you post about it on JHO for all to see? (I think only Jesus would say yes to the last question)
I am not complaining about people posting up "honey holes" on the net. Thats their personal choice, and I respect that. And if that so called "honey hole" was the one I hunt at, I would never bash on that person for posting about it. Like everyone else has said, its public land.
Honey holes do get "discovered" by the masses. Like Franklin3 said, FHL used to be his dad's honey hole (thats amazing). So I don't expect to have my "honey holes" forever, I mean I am sure other people know about, just not that many to case the pigs to become nocturnal or scatter (for now that is). And for that reason I still work hard with my hunting partners at finding new places to hunt.
Shot wrote"People say this is selfish, well, that might be so. What if you busted your a$$ off and found a gold mine and didn't tell anyone and kept it all to yourself, is that wrong? Would you tell people you didn't know? Would you post about it on JHO for all to see? (I think only Jesus would say yes to the last question)"
Shot, you could not say it better. I honestly feel you put the final nail in this debate with that statement you worked hard for your spot and it will change and you will work just as hard for your next nobody can knock you for it. If people don't agree with me on the this go ahead and post the same debate on the varmint forum and see how many people respond to requesting for help in finding a good spot for taking game such as coyotes or bobcats...
Shot, you could not say it better. I honestly feel you put the final nail in this debate with that statement you worked hard for your spot and it will change and you will work just as hard for your next nobody can knock you for it. If people don't agree with me on the this go ahead and post the same debate on the varmint forum and see how many people respond to requesting for help in finding a good spot for taking game such as coyotes or bobcats...
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Shot,
I hope you don't think I'm judging you either, or for that matter, anyone else. What people do or don't do is one thing, and a matter for discussion. Sometimes people change my opinions with these kind of discussions. I want to make it clear, though, I most likely would NOT slap a right or wrong label on, unless God himself personally told me it was okay to do so. If everybody did things the same way I do, this would be a very boring world for me.
Peace!
I hope you don't think I'm judging you either, or for that matter, anyone else. What people do or don't do is one thing, and a matter for discussion. Sometimes people change my opinions with these kind of discussions. I want to make it clear, though, I most likely would NOT slap a right or wrong label on, unless God himself personally told me it was okay to do so. If everybody did things the same way I do, this would be a very boring world for me.
Peace!
This all boils down to one thing,California hunting management.
Until our wildlife agency actually starts making the decisions,or is given the power to manage wildlife in our state(not the politicians) you will have this problem,X amount of hunters to X amount of huntable public land. There are plenty of animals to manage and plenty of property to do it on.(State parks ect.)Unfortunately there are too many restrictions.
The politicians would rather hire professionals and spend millions of tax payers dollars than collect revenue on hunting tags that WE are willing to spend our money on.Until this changes,we're SOL.
Until our wildlife agency actually starts making the decisions,or is given the power to manage wildlife in our state(not the politicians) you will have this problem,X amount of hunters to X amount of huntable public land. There are plenty of animals to manage and plenty of property to do it on.(State parks ect.)Unfortunately there are too many restrictions.
The politicians would rather hire professionals and spend millions of tax payers dollars than collect revenue on hunting tags that WE are willing to spend our money on.Until this changes,we're SOL.
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I have only one final comment on the subject:
Boar Tracks CA - Take a look at what he did for CR, JHO members, his country, and the price he paid. I still owe him some suds.
Boar Tracks CA - Take a look at what he did for CR, JHO members, his country, and the price he paid. I still owe him some suds.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hronk @ Jan 24 2007, 01:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
NOPE! I'm staying out of this one too! We are blessed to live in an area where scouting begins 5 mins. out the back door. If someone wants to tag along for a hike, strap them on and lets go.
