Tejon pig hunters ???

[kcravnit]

I am very aware of that fish and wildlife sayyyyyy that our game animals belong to the people of the state but do u seriously believe that as a Californian resident? We have to buy a license and tag that continuously go up in price yet we see zero return in anyway shape or form to hunt public land that has limited access and usually requires either a bow or shotgun to hunt...
What do we have available that is prime hunting for wild pigs that isn't private property? I don't know about u but unless u pay or get permission to hunt which is very unlikely to have happen in this state then u have next to zero access to hunting any land that is worth a damn to hunt without paying a price whatever it may be... Sooo how do we the people of California own something we have no or very little access to hunt?

Yes I agree with you that the the states wildlife belongs to us law abiding tax payers but I'm a realist and that just ain't so my brother.

And I apologize for the rant on the kid in your post.... My bad shld have had a separate post.....it wasn't an attack but u can call it what u like... I have plenty of guys on here who know me personally and will prob chime in on the same... So u go ahead and listen to his bull and the rest of us will hopefully make an educated decision to not listen or follow any advise he has or gives in the future....
Have a goodnight
Kcravnit



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[thewolfman]

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On a side note:
Any of you who listen too that KTKT70 kid, u have been warned, he has never been on the ranch, has never posted a single kill or let alone hunting picture yet he is an expert on hunting and talking trash about guys who are on here just to share the thrill of hunting and the outdoors, jesse you shld have removed that kid long ago, he's not a hunter and just trolls this site and misguides guys who don't have the wherewithal to know any better....
How do I know read my previous posts, I was the guy who was nice enough to offer him a trip up to the ranch... Ya I'm that guy and yup I'm still a member.... And again I talked to Jodi last week, I have her cell and she still has no idea of who u are..... Kinda weird don't u think???

Sorry for the rant guys, it's been along time since I've been on here for THAT very reason but I'm back and will post ranch pics weekly for you guys that have never seen it....

I don't know what the deal is with u and The Kid but this post wasn't about personal issues.... For me, it doesn't matter if he or u have any hunting experience or a ton of experiences.... What matters to me is what the information is about or is it legit... If it's just information only than u can choose to read it or not.... If it's not true and u know something we don't than just point it out and let's correct it. Other than that, what good is it to call each other out on here making this forum along with all of us look like we are a bunch of A holes. Let's just stick to the subject.... My 2 cents
Here's a pig I got weeks ago
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[Bubblehide]

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And I apologize for the rant on the kid in your post...
Kcravnit



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What kid in "my post". Since I only mentioned the ""kid"" from your "rant", I can only presume you are referring to some other thread I participated in.

 

[Bubblehide]

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What do we have available that is prime hunting for wild pigs that isn't private property?

Yes I agree with you that the the states wildlife belongs to us law abiding tax payers but I'm a realist and that just ain't so my brother...


Kcravnit



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For one huge public land hunting are that provides some areas of prime hunting for wild pigs, take a look at the Los Padres National Forest. It's open to hunting year round, baring any special closures for extraordinary events.

The last time I looked, DFW is taking a multi-user approach, as such, our wildlife is even more-so the peoples. One such example of wildlife belonging to the people can be taken from Tejon Ranch itself, all you have to do is look to the mountain lion debacle there on the ranch, and the subsequent consequences that Tejon Ranch endured. If Tejon Ranch owned the wildlife, there would have never been any repercussions.

 

[Bubblehide]

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And I apologize for the rant on the kid in your post.... My bad shld have had a separate post.....it wasn't an attack but u can call it what u like... I have plenty of guys on here who know me personally and will prob chime in on the same... So u go ahead and listen to his bull and the rest of us will hopefully make an educated decision to not listen or follow any advise he has or gives in the future....
Have a goodnight
Kcravnit



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I don't know the "kid". I've never met him. I am not really familiar with his posts, and considering the time I spend here (to much), if he came off as a jerk, I'm sure I would be well aware of him. I am also sure that many people consider you a good guy, with good intentions. However, if the above isn't an attack, then I don't know what an attack is. It simply has no place here. The guys and gals here are all pretty smart, they know good information when they see it. They also recognize bull when they see, and they really don't require anyone to point it out to them; as they can see it all on there own, from a mile away.

 

[kcravnit]

Los Padres....I'm sure has some decent hog hunting, Funny though no one ever seems to post any hogs killed from there? Or maybe I just missed them all...you say DFW is taking a multi user approach... Read this... http://www.theoutdoorwire.com/features/230383. Might open ur eyes a little...

U must not know much about Tejon.... The guy who ruined it for all of us up there told fish and game he killed over 60 lions... 60???? Not a chance in hell... Bron was a special individual, I knew and ran into him on the ranch on a regular basis, and I can safely say that there is no way any number even close to 60 were killed let alone seen for that matter. And the members of Tejon on this site wld agree.. I have only seen 3 cats in 10 yrs... And last time I checked mountain lions tags weren't available YET! So as far as repercussions, u must read the Internet too.... Like every anti hunter.... Exactly who that article was for...



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[Bubblehide]

Los Padres....I'm sure has some decent hog hunting, Funny though no one ever seems to post any hogs killed from there? Or maybe I just missed them all...you say DFW is taking a multi user approach... Read this... http://www.theoutdoorwire.com/features/230383. Might open ur eyes a little...

U must not know much about Tejon.... The guy who ruined it for all of us up there told fish and game he killed over 60 lions... 60???? Not a chance in hell... Bron was a special individual, I knew and ran into him on the ranch on a regular basis, and I can safely say that there is no way any number even close to 60 were killed let alone seen for that matter. And the members of Tejon on this site wld agree.. I have only seen 3 cats in 10 yrs... And last time I checked mountain lions tags weren't available YET! So as far as repercussions, u must read the Internet too.... Like every anti hunter.... Exactly who that article was for...



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Okay, clearly you don't get the concept of multi user, otherwise you wouldn't post up information that supports my statement. Your also confusing what I a have stated (facts) with my position on the matter; good try to smear me with your confusion on this, but it doesn't fly.

The fact that you have only seen 3 cats in 10 years is no surprise, as they are very elusive animals. That fact also clearly points out that your not a mountain lion hunter; as the vast majority of hunters are not. it's also no surprise to me that your on the attack again, trying to paint me as an anti hunter.

 

[OPAH]

OK Ranch! or No Ranch!, peoples animals or private animals does it really Matter? Obviously there was enough credibility for the CDFW to go in and file or not file charges. 3 Mountain Lion or 60? 0 are legal to kill period. So Facts are Facts, you love your hunting Club
GOOD FOR YOU! I love the Hunt, tacking, scouting and Harvesting the game I seek GOOD FOR ME!!
But to Call Bubblehide a Anti-Hunter? you obviously have a lack of understanding what a Hunter is, Thus the need for Guided hunts.
As For the KTKT70 I have not read any derogatory statements, GOOD FOR HIM!! Just you got your Feelings hurt because your Gentlemen's Club got busted and people are talking about it GOOD FOR THEM!!
If you want to discuss What happened Discuss it and reframe from attacking and insulting. Now be a good boy and lets try again

 

[kcravnit]

Out of context? Never said bubble was a anti hunter..... I said he can read the Internet, and that whole thing was just so that the anti hunters wld stop their bitchin.... And no I am not a lion hunter but I'm pretty sure that I have seen 3 more Sasquatch than lions up there....elusive or not time and game cameras don't lie....

As for u OPAH who the hell is doing guided hunts? My inbox is full of JHO members who want to go up and hunt with me at the ranch including JESSE... Unguided bro.... I'm a "good boy" and for those of u who don't know me... I really don't give a f......
I was stating my opinion on what bubble said which is what these forums are for...different point of views... And clearly stated that I wasn't trying to be a dick...
And as for KTKT70 ur absolutely correct u shld listen to and follow every piece of advice he gives. This is exactly why this forum has dwindled down over last few years.... Unfortunate...


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[OPAH]

No you didn't come out and say it, just Insinuated it In my opinion. and pardon my misinformation on Hunting clubs 90% of the stories are of Guided hunts and how well the guides did ect. just assumed they were most if not all guided hunts.
And yes this forum is about information, debate, discussion, stories and such, where negative personal inflections, innuendoes and insinuations of others should not be. That said the rest of what I posted would be accurate, One Mountain Lion or 60 is illegal, CDFW had enough to pursue an investigation into allegations. If a community, house's or golf course is built on there land, if the cost to hunt here rises or even if it closes down and becomes a preserve it not an issue for me personally.
Good guy or not, lets not be slamming people on the forum

 

[Bubblehide]

Kcravint, how about dropping the condescending attitude and having a civil conversation. As I'm sure that if we were face to face, I'd find you a well intentioned person, so I'll do the same. In the spirit of such, I'll clarify a bit for you. I never said Tejon Ranch was expensive. What I said was that if you do a per pig price comparison, they are more expensive than many exceptionally successful guided pig hunts. As such, for those that value filling the freezer over the experience, Tejon Ranch would be a poor choice. For those that have the money to burn, but also want excellent opportunities at harvesting pigs while doing it themselves, Tejon Ranch is a very good option. And lastly, for those that don't have the money to burn, but enjoy a real challenge (i.e., more than not, not harvesting an animal), hunting public land would be a good option for them. I never made a claim of one being better than the other for anyone. I simply stated the options, and the facts of harvesting pigs in relation to the option. I hope that clears up what I said.

 

[XDHUNTER]

Let me trow my 2 cents !!! From an average Jo's experience on which one is more cheaper and satisfying place to hunt . since a lot of argument about Tejon lately, lets compare which one is better. lets say fort hunter Liggett since more of the pig hunt are done in the central part of the state.
Both unguided.
Tejon ranch from L.A. before the cat fiasco. unguided
travel time 1 hour
Gas $100 ($4.50 / gal price)
access fee $450
Food $150
Total cost $700 you can get your pig in one day and enjoy the ranch the rest of the weekend or go home to your family after the afternoon hunt.
Tejon ranch from L.A. with today's price.
travel time 1 hour
Gas $70 ( $2.00 / gal price)
access fee $650 assuming you are part of the eight hunters that book that weekend
food and lodging included
Total cost $725 you can still get your pig before the end of the weekend with the help of the guide.
Fort Hunter Liggett from L.A. unguided.
travel time 4 hours
gas $ 250 to $300 for three days
food $150
Total cost $450 / trip .
Percentage of harvesting a pig one in every two trips from thirty years hunting the base. so if any one will tell me you get a pig every time you hunt FHL .i would say its a bull.
Total cost / pig $900

So from my calculation Tejon is more cheaper, stress free, more convenient because it's closer.
How did i know ? because i hunt both .... why ? because i love hunting.... and i'am not a Tejon member. just hunted it for more than 10 years.

 

[Bankrunner]

I know you guys have vested opinions but from an outsider looking in......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=torz_CwzaTM

 

[kcravnit]

OPAH u are 100% correct on all of the above and I apologized for the comment on bubbles thread regarding the kid... If you had read the previous threads from him last year before I left this forum I'm pretty sure u wld have a much better understanding of the situation. Nevertheless... Bullshit be gone and good luck in your future hunting and fishing adventures



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[kcravnit]

XD I'm pretty sure I can knock that down considering my hunting buddy has 6 tags and I doubt he's using all of them, come up with Minh. Have a blast shoot the shit and kill a monster 100%.... And always unguided...
U have the number...


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[kcravnit]

Bubble I appreciate the clarification, and if we were face to face we'd be drinking jack and Coke over a big ass fire staying up way too late before the morning hunt bullshitting over this kinda stuff...
Just an FYI, I was never attacking u just offering my 2 cents kinda like texting these days.... One may see it one way when u meant it a whole different way.. So No condescending anything, difference of opinion and that's that...



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[OPAH]

I will have to go back and do that, But No harm No foul, just big ass piggies out there. You Take care have a good hunt.

 

[ChrisAMX]

Those are some very old plans at this point, and like most corporations, Tejon is interested in making money. Thus, making money will dictate what they do in the future. As with any corporation, the money making plans often change at a rapid pace, and nothing is set in stone, until it's actually set in stone.

A small snippet of proposed developments in the area:

http://mountainenterprise.com/story/housing-development-projects-316/

 

[Bubblehide]

Bubble I appreciate the clarification, and if we were face to face we'd be drinking jack and Coke over a big ass fire staying up way too late before the morning hunt bullshitting over this kinda stuff...
Just an FYI, I was never attacking u just offering my 2 cents kinda like texting these days.... One may see it one way when u meant it a whole different way.. So No condescending anything, difference of opinion and that's that...



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Texting and internet chat, often leaves out so much, intonation, body language... that we often get the wrong impression; my apologies for that. We have our passions,with a whole lot of overlap. As such we all can get a bit riled up over some things. I'm glad to see we all were able to check ourselves, and see that we have more in common here than not. As far as the jack and coke, I prefer my libations straight, so for such events, I generally bring something to share; and I'm sure it would be a pleasure to do such with you around the campfire.

 

[Captjgray]

Kcravnit,
I for one wouldn't mind chiming in if you ever start a thread about the BS that the kid spews.
Its really unfortunate that someone can claim to know so much about a place that they see out there front door but have never stepped foot on.

I for one truly believe that Tejon is worth way more than meat in the freezer. And thankfully my wife agrees. The education that my children and their friends have received from spending time up there is absolutely priceless.

and you will never find a kinder and more knowledgable person than the man in charge of the operation, Mike Campeu. He is a truly great guy!

Hope to see you up there soon, its been way too long since Ive been up...