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Orange hat. Wal-Mart. $6. Save your life. I wish insurance was that cheap...
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Oh yeah... Orange beanie too... $3. Saves your life and keeps your head warm at the same time. It's a two-fer.
P.O.R. at Tejon....$300
Hunter orange G-string... $18
Scaring the hell out of all the other hunters and gettin the whole place to yourself... PRICELESS.
For everything else there's JHO.
I will be wearin my hunter orange at the May Hamslam.
Hunter orange G-string... $18
Scaring the hell out of all the other hunters and gettin the whole place to yourself... PRICELESS.
For everything else there's JHO.
I will be wearin my hunter orange at the May Hamslam.
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Those fools arent hunters they are slobs....I'm sure lots of guys have been frustrated many times, but to shoot at animals you have no chance of recovering is idiotic. There was a short time ago when you could hunt Tejon unguided for 2 months at a time with your own gate key until you took your animal, until some slobs decided it was probably easy to take a pig, take it off the ranch come back and take another one....etc...
One track you are probably right, with a big ol pig in shooting range you are going to be focused on making the shot. Not glassing the surrounding hillsides.
And I am with you guys on the blaze orange. But I just wonder how many of those nuckleheads will be looking at your blaze orange hat through their scopes!
To be seen or not to be seen that is the question?
And I am with you guys on the blaze orange. But I just wonder how many of those nuckleheads will be looking at your blaze orange hat through their scopes!
To be seen or not to be seen that is the question?
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Thanks guys for the support & ideas. I just had to vent a little. If I had my way at the time, I would have wrapped their barrels around one of those ancient oaks. In the future, Ill wear my orange safety shield out, its attached to my Cabelas internal pack, which I always wear for the deboned meat I usually have to pack out of some deep canyon. Again thanks, its been a eye opening discussion I think for some of us.
But I also have to clear up a few things.
First of all , this is not a Pig-o-Rama that Im on. Nor where these two shooters. I joined the Explorer Package and added a pig. Six months, from Feb. to Aug., seven days a week.
Although I was about 40 yards from that boar, from the field of view of the shooters, it probably looked like 15, becsause of the fact that we were almost on the same plane. With me in the middle. Although I do not hunt game anymore with rifles, I have in the past and I'm convinced that at 300 yards, if those guys would have just been more aware and used their eyes they would have noticed me or maybe they just thought I was just a taller pig but closer. Thank god they are terrible shots. One of the idiots was shooting off hand!
I will report this to Lana soon but we all know Its my word against two other hunters. I will dicuss this matter with these individuals when I see them again. And I will.
I do not wear average daily clothes because nothing is as light or cool as some of the synthetic camo that my sponsers requir me to wear. Pictures and all.
I have shot over 65 pigs in the last 5 years, all private property, all with my Hoyt & fingers. Tejon offers a chance at a real trophy. Something over 350lbs. I guess I have to reavaluate the dangers involved with Tejon and road hunters. If they just get out of their vehicles and walk a little bit, It would make pig hunting alot easier for all of us.
Thanks guys. David
But I also have to clear up a few things.
First of all , this is not a Pig-o-Rama that Im on. Nor where these two shooters. I joined the Explorer Package and added a pig. Six months, from Feb. to Aug., seven days a week.
Although I was about 40 yards from that boar, from the field of view of the shooters, it probably looked like 15, becsause of the fact that we were almost on the same plane. With me in the middle. Although I do not hunt game anymore with rifles, I have in the past and I'm convinced that at 300 yards, if those guys would have just been more aware and used their eyes they would have noticed me or maybe they just thought I was just a taller pig but closer. Thank god they are terrible shots. One of the idiots was shooting off hand!
I will report this to Lana soon but we all know Its my word against two other hunters. I will dicuss this matter with these individuals when I see them again. And I will.
I do not wear average daily clothes because nothing is as light or cool as some of the synthetic camo that my sponsers requir me to wear. Pictures and all.
I have shot over 65 pigs in the last 5 years, all private property, all with my Hoyt & fingers. Tejon offers a chance at a real trophy. Something over 350lbs. I guess I have to reavaluate the dangers involved with Tejon and road hunters. If they just get out of their vehicles and walk a little bit, It would make pig hunting alot easier for all of us.
Thanks guys. David
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One last thing.
The reason California does not have the hunter orange rule is because statisticly its safer. Studies show that in season were hunter orange laws are in effect, hunters are more likely to shoot at something that resembles their quarry, in shape or color , expecting all people safely covered in orange.
I sat at a Fish & Game meeting about 15 years ago in Long Beach I think, and some concered citizen brought this discussion up. The commisioners asked their legal team for an explanation why Cal. doesnt go along with other states.
Their response.
We have one of the safest records of all states. Common sense is that if you as the shooter knows that other hunters in the field do not have orange on, statisticly you will take that extra second to confirm your target, beyond & below.
Later research uncovered that the concerned citizen was the leading sales rep for a company that sells orange safety vests. Go figure.
David
The reason California does not have the hunter orange rule is because statisticly its safer. Studies show that in season were hunter orange laws are in effect, hunters are more likely to shoot at something that resembles their quarry, in shape or color , expecting all people safely covered in orange.
I sat at a Fish & Game meeting about 15 years ago in Long Beach I think, and some concered citizen brought this discussion up. The commisioners asked their legal team for an explanation why Cal. doesnt go along with other states.
Their response.
We have one of the safest records of all states. Common sense is that if you as the shooter knows that other hunters in the field do not have orange on, statisticly you will take that extra second to confirm your target, beyond & below.
Later research uncovered that the concerned citizen was the leading sales rep for a company that sells orange safety vests. Go figure.
David
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Interesting note, David... and welcome again to JHO.
I've never been a big fan of hunter orange, but I never had a good reason other than I know some folks will actually scope an orange clad hunter just because they can see him.
A little orange in the field is probably not a bad idea, though. Just can't get myself to do it when it's not required.
I've never been a big fan of hunter orange, but I never had a good reason other than I know some folks will actually scope an orange clad hunter just because they can see him.
A little orange in the field is probably not a bad idea, though. Just can't get myself to do it when it's not required.
Before coming to CA I would have never glassed around a target to ensure there was no people within 60 yards. One Sat at CR I was archery hunting the river wearing my usual standard tan Carhart Jacket and blue jeans when a whole load of 8 shot went through the branches above my head. Now before I take a shot, every time I scan all around, even when I shoot at ground sqirrels. Sad...Sad...Sad. As far as Hunter Orange, I posted somewhere else, but again my Dad always made me wear orange, but I no longer do. Maybe it would be a good idea to start again. They say it takes 2 weeks to break a bad habit, -that still leaves two weekends of hunting without orange. For all those who wear purely camo, I don't think your wives would have any problem sewing in a good sized hunk of orange material into the back and shoulders of your clothes...considering it could save your live.
As far as taking long shots, I would shoot at 300 yards...but probably no furthur. I do have a friend in Idaho who I've watched take deer at 700+ yards with a 7mm. I say if you're going to take that long of a shot you beter be darn good at it. but at 300 yards you're only looking at 10 to 20 inches of drop (deppending on weapon and load) and that considered, aiming just above the shoulder is nearly a sure thing. I think however that every "good" hunter has spent hours on hours at the range and truely knows the capability on his/her gun.- No I'm not calling these guys who nearly took off your head good hunters.
As for CA having the least amount of hunting casulties, I have to ask is that total, or a percent rate as to population? Besides that, CA also has very little public land and it's easier to control hunting accidents.
I think if we all take a moment to think about the others in the field with us we can lower the accident rates everywhere.
Cheers
As far as taking long shots, I would shoot at 300 yards...but probably no furthur. I do have a friend in Idaho who I've watched take deer at 700+ yards with a 7mm. I say if you're going to take that long of a shot you beter be darn good at it. but at 300 yards you're only looking at 10 to 20 inches of drop (deppending on weapon and load) and that considered, aiming just above the shoulder is nearly a sure thing. I think however that every "good" hunter has spent hours on hours at the range and truely knows the capability on his/her gun.- No I'm not calling these guys who nearly took off your head good hunters.
As for CA having the least amount of hunting casulties, I have to ask is that total, or a percent rate as to population? Besides that, CA also has very little public land and it's easier to control hunting accidents.
I think if we all take a moment to think about the others in the field with us we can lower the accident rates everywhere.
Cheers
prohunter... you have to take a hunters safety course in Texas as well if you were born after a certain date.. It is only a one time thing though, then you just have to carry around your card for the rest of your hunting life....
Whatever happened to the age old rule of making sure of your backstop in case you miss? I never take a shot without knowing what I'm gonna hit if I miss the animal. And as far as looking through your scope at other hunters, all I can say is buy some binoculars.
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I ran into 2 guides who said another bowhunter was narrowly missed by some knuckleheads blazing away with a rifle in a black jeep yesterday. They were shooting in the archery only area on the north end. The guides waited for them to come out but they hid out and the guides finally left since they already had their plate number.
Don Geivet and the DFG have been notified and it's probably adios for them form the ranch.
If you're a rifle hunter, guided or unguided on the Tejon, make sure you know where the archery only area starts on the north end. It's well marked with signs the say "No pig hunting. Basically, all of Tejon Canyon is archery only.
Don Geivet and the DFG have been notified and it's probably adios for them form the ranch.
If you're a rifle hunter, guided or unguided on the Tejon, make sure you know where the archery only area starts on the north end. It's well marked with signs the say "No pig hunting. Basically, all of Tejon Canyon is archery only.
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Gentlemen.......as most of you know, I've been an active Calif. Hunter Ed. instructor for the Fish and Game for the past 16 years and have more than just "another opinion" re: subjects on firearms/hunting safety and survival. I feel I have to respond to archer4evr comments (re: somebody's statistics and the guy selling hunting vests), because assuming that is the stance of the Fish and Game department is NOT at all accurate, and has not been the case in the past 16 years I've been teaching.
The present stance of both our Ca. Dept. of Fish and Game & the IHEA (International Hunter Education Association) re: using blaze or hunter orange in the field; FACT: both organizations HIGHLY RECOMMEND the use of hunter/blaze orange in ALL hunting situations for providing hunters with a higher level of personal safety than without it. Our Dept. of Fish and Game's position can be easily assesed by the following examples/facts;
1. Ref. the copyright 2003 (current) edition of the California Department of Fish and Game Hunter Education manual, Core Curriculum, Student Edition; Pages 13, 22, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36 (Safe handling of firearms, Transporting and carrying firearms, field carries, casing/uncasing a firearm , carrying positions review sheet, firearms in blinds, boats and Treestands and Crossing Fences and Obstacles, respectively); these pages provide students with a total of 53 photos of hunters doing those things (proper field carries, etc.). EVERY SINGLE ONE of those pictures shows a young hunter or a pair of hunters wearing BOTH a blaze orange vest AND hat. Other examples of hunters using blaze orange in the field (photos and illustrations) are given on pages 38, 39, 50, 53, 55, 59, 60, 70, 71, 72, 74, 99, 109 and 113 (the manual is 117 pages total).
2. An excerpt from page 72 of our manual; "BLAZE ORANGE; Hunters wearing blaze orange or hunter orange are highly visible and less likely to be involved in vision related accidents. It is worn by hunters so that they are easily seen. The bright fluorescent color is not found in nature and is visible in the early dawn and dusk. Most game animals are color blind and will not see it. Some states require hunters to wear blaze orange, other states do not. It is your responsibility to check the hunting laws and regulations of your area."
2. This particular subject is purposely brought up to instructors in every single IHEA newsletter I receive and at each mandatory annual Hunter Ed. Instructor conference I've attended (re: the value/importance for us to REMIND our students to use blaze orange in the field, and it's high level of visibility to others). This reminder to us is certainly compelling enough a reason for me to promote the use of blaze orange, even without any of the aforementioned examples which are thoughout the Student manual.
3. ONE EXCEPTION; although it was not included in the current manual (but was in the 1989 edition) a statement in the Specialty (Turkey) hunting chapter stated that the ONLY time you should NOT wear hunter orange would be when you are turkey hunting. That statistics have shown that turkey hunters are looking for color and have shot at the color, thinking it was part of the blue/red portion of a turkey head or something in that regard. Then they went on to say that if you shoot a turkey, you should have an orange vest or cloth in your pack that you should wrap around the turkey as you carry it out of the field.
My personal preference of what I would like to wear in the field is outweighed by my desire to come home safe after the hunt AND what is currently recommended by the experts who own both the California and National hunting incident reports and statistics. Just because something isn't mandated by a law doesn't mean it isn't important, and in this case, have life saving potential. I fully believe that we'd have a whole lot less shotgun/bird hunting related accidents (the highest incident statistic we have is the category "hunter swinging on game shoots his buddy") if more of us wore blaze orange, especially when bird hunting.
I hope this helps give some crystal clarity re: what our Calif. Dept. of Fish and Game's position is on using blaze/hunter orange. Bottom line; they say USE IT!!!
P.S. Hope you're all having a great weekend!
The present stance of both our Ca. Dept. of Fish and Game & the IHEA (International Hunter Education Association) re: using blaze or hunter orange in the field; FACT: both organizations HIGHLY RECOMMEND the use of hunter/blaze orange in ALL hunting situations for providing hunters with a higher level of personal safety than without it. Our Dept. of Fish and Game's position can be easily assesed by the following examples/facts;
1. Ref. the copyright 2003 (current) edition of the California Department of Fish and Game Hunter Education manual, Core Curriculum, Student Edition; Pages 13, 22, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36 (Safe handling of firearms, Transporting and carrying firearms, field carries, casing/uncasing a firearm , carrying positions review sheet, firearms in blinds, boats and Treestands and Crossing Fences and Obstacles, respectively); these pages provide students with a total of 53 photos of hunters doing those things (proper field carries, etc.). EVERY SINGLE ONE of those pictures shows a young hunter or a pair of hunters wearing BOTH a blaze orange vest AND hat. Other examples of hunters using blaze orange in the field (photos and illustrations) are given on pages 38, 39, 50, 53, 55, 59, 60, 70, 71, 72, 74, 99, 109 and 113 (the manual is 117 pages total).
2. An excerpt from page 72 of our manual; "BLAZE ORANGE; Hunters wearing blaze orange or hunter orange are highly visible and less likely to be involved in vision related accidents. It is worn by hunters so that they are easily seen. The bright fluorescent color is not found in nature and is visible in the early dawn and dusk. Most game animals are color blind and will not see it. Some states require hunters to wear blaze orange, other states do not. It is your responsibility to check the hunting laws and regulations of your area."
2. This particular subject is purposely brought up to instructors in every single IHEA newsletter I receive and at each mandatory annual Hunter Ed. Instructor conference I've attended (re: the value/importance for us to REMIND our students to use blaze orange in the field, and it's high level of visibility to others). This reminder to us is certainly compelling enough a reason for me to promote the use of blaze orange, even without any of the aforementioned examples which are thoughout the Student manual.
3. ONE EXCEPTION; although it was not included in the current manual (but was in the 1989 edition) a statement in the Specialty (Turkey) hunting chapter stated that the ONLY time you should NOT wear hunter orange would be when you are turkey hunting. That statistics have shown that turkey hunters are looking for color and have shot at the color, thinking it was part of the blue/red portion of a turkey head or something in that regard. Then they went on to say that if you shoot a turkey, you should have an orange vest or cloth in your pack that you should wrap around the turkey as you carry it out of the field.
My personal preference of what I would like to wear in the field is outweighed by my desire to come home safe after the hunt AND what is currently recommended by the experts who own both the California and National hunting incident reports and statistics. Just because something isn't mandated by a law doesn't mean it isn't important, and in this case, have life saving potential. I fully believe that we'd have a whole lot less shotgun/bird hunting related accidents (the highest incident statistic we have is the category "hunter swinging on game shoots his buddy") if more of us wore blaze orange, especially when bird hunting.
I hope this helps give some crystal clarity re: what our Calif. Dept. of Fish and Game's position is on using blaze/hunter orange. Bottom line; they say USE IT!!!
P.S. Hope you're all having a great weekend!
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Thanks freedivr for the update. What I stated regarding that Fish & Game meeting I attended years ago was TRUE. But I agree, for everyones safety blaze orange is a great safety tool. But it is not foolproof. What I was trying to get accross to rifle hunters in particuler, was that to make sure of your target in an enviroment like Tejon, that might includes working cattlemen, hikers, exploreres & archers.
