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Two condors shot in Big Sur region

Jim Matthews, Outdoors News Service (ONS) Outdoor News Service

9 April 2009

Two critically endangered California condors have been found shot in the Big Sur region of California's Central Coast. While both are likely to survive, it is possible neither will ever live in the wild again because of their injuries.

Three weeks after finding an adult male condor with 15 shotgun pellets lodged in its body, biologists at the Ventana Wildlife Society found three lead pellets in a juvenile female after it was trapped for routine blood testing on March 26. Besides the injuries from the lead shotgun pellets, both birds apparently had high levels of lead in their blood.

Condors are particularly susceptible to lead poisoning, which they are presumed to get from the ingestion of lead fragments when feeding on the gutpiles and carcasses of hunter-shot game. But California mandated the use of non-lead ammunition in all condor range in July, 2008, and the Department of Fish and Game reports that hunter compliance has been extremely high.

During the Feb. 5 Commission meeting, the DFG told commissioners that around 6,500 hunters in the lead exclusion zones were contacted by wardens during this past hunting season. Only 72 of the 6,500 contacted were not in compliance with the new regulation requiring non-lead ammunition, a 99 percent compliance rate. So there is concern that someone might be intentionally trying to poison and shoot the condors.

The DFG and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, which manages endangered species, point out that anyone caught harassing or killing condors face stiff state and federal penalties for violation of the Endangered Species Act.

Typically, hunters have a strong conservation ethic and do not randomly or intentionally harm protected species," said Dr. Eric Loft, California Department of Fish and Game Wildlife Branch chief. "Any information about these shootings will help us prosecute for this egregious crime and will further protect this rare California species."

A reward of $30,000 has been offered by environmental groups for information that leads to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible for the shootings.

Although both wounded condors are still alive, it remains unclear whether either would be able to return to the wild. The first bird found shot is still in critical condition with an incapacitated digestive tract due to lead poisoning. The condor remains alive only because veterinarians have been able to nourish him with a feeding tube. While the prognosis for second condor is better, one shotgun pellet has impacted a bone in the left wing and it is unclear whether there will be long-term impairment of her ability to fly.

The California condor is one of the most critically endangered species on the planet, but a long-term recovery effort is slowing succeeding. The population has grown from a low of just 22 birds in 1982 to a total of 320 birds today, with wild populations in California, Arizona and northern Mexico.
 

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$30k for info on a condor shooting???? wow, most info on HUMAN MURDER victims don't get that level of reward.

unfortunately more bad press for us hunters...
 

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Not sure how this is bad press for hunters? 99% compliance. They are now thinking that something else may poison the birds - this may take the focus off the hunters completely. Not only hunters own shotguns ...

Jagermeister
 

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Great this is just what we need! a bad rap. But the first thing that came to my mind was SET UP. Hopefully they catch the DumbAs*
 

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Not sure how this is bad press for hunters? 99% compliance. They are now thinking that something else may poison the birds - this may take the focus off the hunters completely. Not only hunters own shotguns ...

Jagermeister

of course anyone could have done it, and i wouldn't put it past some nut-job condor lover hoping to get guns and hunting banned, i'd bet a survey of the public would show that an overwhelling amount of them would assume it was hunters, and obviously gun owners.

and i yes I 100% agree that the lead issue is complete bunk. I've studied the reports and not only is there only so-so evidence that lead is a problem, there is ZERO eveidence that condors are eating lead ammo AND that that would actually cause a problem. first plently of people have bullets left in them after a shooting with no effect. even if a condor ate some, he would crap it out so fast it would not have time to get much in his system. we have had lead ammo for centuries so why would they all of a sudden have a problem.

i'm betting they are going to find (and probably suppress) that other sources are the culprit.
 

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Couple of comments...

First of all, keep in mind that as far as the general (non-hunting) public is concerned, anyone in the woods with a gun is a "hunter". We can differentiate all we want to, but that has little to do with public perception. So yeah, this is a black-eye for the sport.

I seriously doubt that this is some kind of "plant" by the antis... although of course I'd absolutely LOVE for that to be the case, and for the DFG to catch them and prove it.

Last point is to Westcoastr...

For what it's worth, it is extremely possible for condors to get lead poisoning by ingesting lead...whether it's bullet fragments, tire weights, or lead wire coating. Unlike mammals who simply pass the particles through the digestive system and out as waste, they'll hold the particles in their crop which gives the digestive process more time to work. It IS questionable how much of the lead poisoning is really coming from hunters' ammo, if any, but we're not going to dispute that successfully by using faulty information.

i'm betting they are going to find (and probably suppress) that other sources are the culprit.

First of all, if you don't trust "them", then it's encumbent on you to pressure sources you DO trust, such as the NRA and the ammo industry, to get actively involved in the research. Hunters do have a voice here, but we need to use it.
 

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Agree with all the comments. It would be a shame to see any species wiped out forever JMHO.
 

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Couple of comments...

First of all, keep in mind that as far as the general (non-hunting) public is concerned, anyone in the woods with a gun is a "hunter". We can differentiate all we want to, but that has little to do with public perception. So yeah, this is a black-eye for the sport.

I seriously doubt that this is some kind of "plant" by the antis... although of course I'd absolutely LOVE for that to be the case, and for the DFG to catch them and prove it.

Last point is to Westcoastr...

For what it's worth, it is extremely possible for condors to get lead poisoning by ingesting lead...whether it's bullet fragments, tire weights, or lead wire coating. Unlike mammals who simply pass the particles through the digestive system and out as waste, they'll hold the particles in their crop which gives the digestive process more time to work. It IS questionable how much of the lead poisoning is really coming from hunters' ammo, if any, but we're not going to dispute that successfully by using faulty information.



First of all, if you don't trust "them", then it's encumbent on you to pressure sources you DO trust, such as the NRA and the ammo industry, to get actively involved in the research. Hunters do have a voice here, but we need to use it.

interesting on the crop issue - i'm a little embaressed i didn't catch that. when i researched this 3 years ago i never found a reference to the link between ammo and and lead poisoning, but it looks like they have been finding, mostly, shotgun pellets in their crop. also isotope analysis has linked the lead in their systems to ammo. good to know since all i ever read was they ate carcasses with lead ammo in it but no actual proof/link.

i agree that the chances that an anti did this are slim, i'm not THAT paranoid. but stranger things have been done. firefighters have been caught starting fires so they can be heros. and didn't the SLA kill a black teacher to start a race war?
 

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I'm with mister misser on this issue.
"It IS questionable how much of the lead poisoning is really coming from hunters' ammo, if any, but we're not going to dispute that successfully by using faulty information."
Nor by attacking DFG for just doing their jobs.
Any press mentioning "guns, ammo, bullets, shooting" and it is always perceived by the public as "hunters", so we are at the mercy of the LEO or DFG to catch who ever is doing this.
The science is not complete yet on the connection between the condor lead poisoning and lead ammunition, but the facts are very clear that idiots shooting at any animal will cast a pall on us hunters, until those idiots are caught...
 

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whats the time frame for the highly educated legislation to implement the ban of lead shotshells for upland game? im thinking 2 years tops.. then its all steel shot for the birds boys.. eventualy they will determine that steel shot constipates the dumb
bird and thus starts a new ban..
 

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Nor by attacking DFG for just doing their jobs.

agreed, while i measure my hunting career in years and not decades, i have been pretty happy w/ DFG. obviously they only have limited resources and power.

and IIRC DFG was against the lead ban.
 

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"while i measure my hunting career in years and not decades,"
Mine can be measured in decades and I still can fondly remember the good old days... Life seemed so simple and direct back then. Today any issue can trigger an onslaught of studies and mandates, for a myriad of reasons, by a plethora of whiners.
And I do not fault the DFG in this mess but I do find much to fault legislators and politicos for...
Science is usually proven fact s and estimates or theories are not, until they are proven.
IMHO, who ever did the actual shooting will probably never be found(much like poachers) but we as law abiding sportsmen and women will feel the brunt of any perceived indignation, especially by the "antis, so we must pull together as a force to be reckoned with and let our legislators know how we as law abiders feel and that hunters are not slob shooters.
 

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I saw all that stuff about the condor the other night on the news. What really made me laugh was video of a condor swallowing a candy wrapper next to a pile of garbage it had pulled out of a trash can in the news footage. The news caster even made a comment about it. Condors are stupid animals. You dont see turkey vultures having the same problems. Why is the condor dissapearing? survival of the fittest. They are too big and too stupid to survive. There are a million turkey vultures out there thriving. Condors have been replaced naturally by a smaller, smarter cousin. The turkey vulture. I have absolutely no evidence to support my statement but Im full of crap most of the time anyhow. Does this make sense to anybody else? Makes perfect sence to me.
 

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I saw all that stuff about the condor the other night on the news. What really made me laugh was video of a condor swallowing a candy wrapper next to a pile of garbage it had pulled out of a trash can in the news footage. The news caster even made a comment about it. Condors are stupid animals. You dont see turkey vultures having the same problems. Why is the condor dissapearing? survival of the fittest. They are too big and too stupid to survive. There are a million turkey vultures out there thriving. Condors have been replaced naturally by a smaller, smarter cousin. The turkey vulture. I have absolutely no evidence to support my statement but Im full of crap most of the time anyhow. Does this make sense to anybody else? Makes perfect sence to me.

LOL :lol bashing sign:
 

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I would wish the "highly educated legislation" would leave us stupid hunters alone and let us figure out what is best for our sport..

We would probably figure out a better way to determine what is actually killing these birds. What most "highly educated legislation" does not understand, it was the Hunters that ultimately brought science and conservation to the field...
 
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