Wanton Waste vs Bad Taste

[phatdog]

That is your opinion. Why is your opinion fact and mine BS?

It is my opinion, that your opinion is BS

 

[Deleted member 33033]

Bruce I think you really hit a interesting topic here. At first I was following the line. Cant haul it don’t shoot it. Which I still think is true. But I can foresee a million exceptions and grey areas that arise. A guide was telling me a story last year about a hog that one of his hunters shot with a rifle that unknown to them had been hit in the hindquarters with an arrow months prior The hog had since developed gang green and was sickly and also smelled awful. So how would the regulations dealing with a sickly animal? You take a nice buck at 200 some yards, when you arrive to clean and haul out the animal you find that it is obviously sick. I assume this is a 1-1,000,000 scenario as I assume sick & injured animals tend to have a very short lifespan in the wild being easy prey for predators, but it sure does have me thinking…

By the way. Generally speaking what do you not like about your Bear meat? It seems like opinion is all across the map on Bear. I have a feeling just like the hogs we are discussing here some are likely better eating than others.

What don't I like about the bear?

1. The smell when I cook it. Very funky.
2. The complaints from my wife and kids when I cook it.
3. The texture of the ground meat...it is not like ground beef at all. Hard to describe.
4. The taste and texture of the other cuts (except the backstrap which was just okay).
5. They say ya gotta cook it all the way through like pork to prevent illness but if you do it gets pretty tough to chew unless you make a stew.

It just isn't what some people told me it was and the bear I shot was loaded with fruit at the time.

 

[Common Sense]

So if i make a choice to shoot a piggie in each one of its legs before it dies thats okay??? As long as IM okay with it??

Yep, I think so. However the folks from PETA would probably not agree with me. But unless you are an animal right zealot from mamby-pamby land, it is okay. If you think animals have rights, it is not okay. If you think animals don't have rights, it is okay.

Now just because something is okay, doesn't mean you have to do it. But it does mean you shouldn't say that someone who does it is wrong. Tolerance is the willingness to allow other people to hold opinions or follow customs that differ from one's own(leastwise that's what my dictionary says).

Personally, I wouldn't want to shoot a piggie in each one of its leg before it dies. I don't want an AK-47. I don't want a .50 cal rifle. I don't want a 30 round clip. --- But because I don't want those things does it mean folks who like black guns are evil? I don't think so.


If folks don't want to shoot an old boar because they won't eat it, I have no problem with that. If they want to shoot it for the head and not eat it, as long as it is legal, I got no problem. (And if it is illegal, I think the law should be changed.)

We need more tolerance, especially from the liberal animal-rights kooks who want to outlaw hunting. But I don't expect the Bay-Area hippies to be very tolerant towards us. Whither we are "wanton wasters" or not, we as hunters should stick together or it won't just be the mountain lion that is illegal to hunt in CA.

 

[bigboarstopper]

"Mamby Pamby Land"!!!! I love it... You forgot the "jackwagon"..

 

[Stonepointer]

To be clear here, we are talking about meat that smells bad, not meat that has gone bad, correct?

Nobody would expect someone to eat meat that has a chance of making someone seriously ill. If it has gone bad to where it has made someone sick, it is getting thrown away, period.

I do not care if it is game meat or store bought, if it has come to the point of no return, it is just plain dangerous, and I will consider someone who knowingly wants me to eat rotten or bad meat that could get me or any of my family or friends seriously ill, the same as someone who wants me to digest poison.

That person would be an enemy plain and simple. I would treat them accordingly as such; to whatever means legal or otherwise of what is at my ability.

I generally can tell when something has fully turned and have consumed foods before that fully happens. Do not expect me to eat it if has. At that point it is going in the trash game meat or not, and if authorities expect it to be consumed after that, they should be removed from the position of authority.

 

[Common Sense]

I reckon I was on a bit of a rant --- sorry. But game laws were not made to protect the rights of animals. Game laws were made to protect our right to hunt and future generations of hunters. (Rifleman could explain this concisely and eloquently). We as a people give up some of our rights because game laws are supposed to make there be animals to hunt indefinately. Just as we give up our right to drive 100mph on the freeway because it will infrenge upon other peoples right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

So why or how we kill an animal shouldn't really matter; cause the animal is dead for whatever reason we chose to kill it. What matters is how many animals we can allow to be killed without decimating the species.

Forty years ago I bought a bow and practiced every day for months. I was a damn good shot, if I was shooting at paper. Buck fever set in when shooting at deer. On opening day I shot at 12 or 13 deer, all under forty yards; and didn't hit a one. A few days later I shot at one that was 10 or 15 FEET away from me, and missed! I went home sold the bow and decided it was wrong for me to shoot at deer with an arrow, cause at best all I was going to do was wound an animal. But I don't see anything wrong with others using a bow if they choose to do so. Now that I have taken a few deer with a rifle, I think I would be okay with a bow. I haven't bought a deer tag in like three years, but in the next few years when I retire and have time to practice, I plan to buy a bow. Without practice, it would be wrong for me buy a bow and just fling and pray. But if someone else wants to do that, it is none of my business, and I would certainly be opposed to a profieceny test before being allowed to hunt.

I sure like to rant today!!!!!!!!!


Anyway, tolerance and peace, cause LIFE IS GOOD.

 

[MikenSoCo]

Hang it, skin it, debone it, and pack the meat out on the pack frame you should have. Place the boned out meat in the large cooler of ice you should have. Go back and get the cape/head the next day if need be. Even a 250 lbs. hog can be packed out this way. Case closed!

 

[Stonepointer]

If a dog walks away from it, it is a good idea to follow the dog's lead.

 

[spectr17]

I think a warden could make a case against some hunters I've seen who debone/skin out a deer or hog and leave perfectly good neck meat. I've always grabbed that neck meat for the crock pot. I've also seen some skinning jobs that left a lot of meat on the hide and bones.

Some of you remember BCbear here who got cited for wanton waste on a bear he shot in Ventura years back. Loren packed out the skull, hide and some of the meat and when he went back to get the rest they warden claimed it had soured in the heat that same day.

IMHO it's a can o worms that any warden can open if they choose to.

 

[Deleted member 33033]

And therein lies a big problem in my opinion. The best laid plans can go awry. Ya roll your ankle hauling out the first bags and cannot retrieve the remainder before it turns. That's life, not a violation. Same goes for my bear situation. I shot a bear, had it duly retrieved, skinned, cut and vacuum packed but eating it turns out to be a bummer. I'm gonna try making dog food with it. And while opinions vary about the edibility of a large Russian boar...let's be honest, some places are overrun with the beasts and they do $1400.00 worth of property damage a year. If a rancher says, "Fill your tags here" because trimming the herd benefits him, I have no problem doing that. Maybe I'll find a shelter that wants the meat...or a reality television show that'll challenge some chefs to turn the skanky pig into a delicible dish fit for the 1st Lady.

 

[LuckyGunner]

I don't have the experience hunting hogs like some of you do. I haven't had the misfortune of a stinky hog or having to leave any meat. I'm looking forward to shooting a hog that is too large to move. :smiley_green_with_e

On that thought do you have any tips for ensuring that you get a large animal out. If you have a list of items that you should carry, things that don't work, etc. Thanks for all the great info so far.


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[myfriendis410]

You might be surprised at how edible a big boar really is. We just put one in the freezer last week that should be okay. Several years ago we killed a boar that gutted out at 288 lbs. and it was just fine. We've only had a couple of questionable hogs over the years, but when you get a bad one it's very apparent (assuming you're downwind).

I think if you get sideways of a State game warden that is reasonable and uses common sense, you won't have any trouble. The problem is there are those in Conservation LE that are anything but. Case in point: years ago a friend was cited for two limits of ducks because he was carrying his and his hunting partner's limits on the same strap while walking out of the blind together. The judge threw it out, but their guns were poorly treated and rusted nearly beyond repair, and of course the ducks were history, not to mention the hassle and expense of appearing in court. So who's to say that's not going to happen to you?

In fairness to the State game wardens, I've personally never had a problem. They have always been courteous and professional to me. Maybe it's my winning smile. The stories of abuses are legion, however.

My advice would be to bring it all home. Evaluate it there. If the meat's no good; bag it well and leave it for the trash man. And don't talk about it.

 

[myfriendis410]

I don't have the experience hunting hogs like some of you do. I haven't had the misfortune of a stinky hog or having to leave any meat. I'm looking forward to shooting a hog that is too large to move. :smiley_green_with_e
On that thought do you have any tips for ensuring that you get a large animal out. If you have a list of items that you should carry, things that don't work, etc. Thanks for all the great info so far.
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First and foremost: have friends on speed dial. Second: get a good game cart. We've tried the sleds and straps, and for short hauls they do fine. If you are out of sight of the truck a cart is worth it's weight in gold. I probably have five flashlights on me, gloves, water at the truck for washing. When you gut it in the field, DON'T split the pelvis. You'll just get it dirty. Rope and Bungees for those steep hauls. I've heard of guys set up with a power winch and lots of line, but never had the opportunity to witness that evolution. Good luck!

 

[ltdann]

Amen on the cart and the lights! The cart's a pain to have in the truck all the time, but by gawd, when you need it, you REALLY need it.

 

[MikenSoCo]

Another method that's kind of primitive but works is to take care of the cape if it's going to be mounted, then split the carcass right down the spine with a good packable saw. You then throw the half on your shoulders behind your neck and hold a leg in each hand. I still prefer to not carry out the bones. Lose the hide(head?) and the bones and lose a ton of weight, especially if you're old like me!

 

[k_rad]

Just a heavy plastic tarp can be a good sled for a shorter drag to the truck. Doesn't take up a lot of room under the seat and can keep your game out of direct sun.

 

[Stonepointer]

Lose the hide(head?) and the bones and lose a ton of weight, especially if you're old like me!

I was under the assumption that the head or the skull is supposed to be kept. I would want to keep it anyway and boil it down and bleach it, or at least get it to a taxidermist, or learn how to do that myself. If it is a big boar, this would confirm some amount of bragging rights.

I cannot find the exact ruling in the regulations, but I think it is there somewhere.

Feeding it dogs at your home is not wanton waste.

I am not sure how a person would go about doing this or if it is even any good or legal for this application, but I would tend to think using it in a compost fashion for gardens or growing anything would not be either.

At least this way it would be getting used.

 

[Stonepointer]

So far on my tag it only says it needs to be securely attached to the carcass. Nothing about the head.

I can not find anything about this in the regs so far.

This head retention regulation only seems to apply to deer as far as I can tell.

 

[ltdann]

So far on my tag it only says it needs to be securely attached to the carcass. Nothing about the head.

I can not find anything about this in the regs so far.

This head retention regulation only seems to apply to deer as far as I can tell.

I believe your correct. Keeping the head (deer) is used to determine sex. Same thing with keeping a wing on a bird, to ID species.

In the case of hog hunting, either sex. Also notice that pig tags don't need to be countersigned.

 

[BigSurArcher]

My take is that if you are going to venture deep into the wilderness, it is a must to be prepared before pulling the trigger. Carry a good pack frame, bring game bags, and have a good packable bone saw.

Find a shady flat spot to bone out your harvest, and take extra care to keep things clean. Extra clothes make for a good makeshift working area.

Be aware of your physical capabilities... some country can be tough to pack a heavy load around. Know how to properly distribute the weight to ensure the most comfort with a max load.

If you need to make multiple trips, keep the meat thats going out in the second load in a cool place and well covered.

Try to plan your hunts so that if you are successful, the pack out will be downhill... as was the case when my dad killed this NV muley. The truck was on the valley floor where you see that road come to an end.