what would u do?

[Hitman21]

went with a guide on sat hog hunting with dogs, i have a question. what would u do? dogs bayed pig, by the time we got to the pig, the dogs had already chewed off the pigs nose, i mean ripped off completely and tore a hole in the rear of the hog , one big enough that the dogs were actually eating the pigs insides. when we got to the hog the guide had the dogs off and was on top off the pig waiting for me to get there, i was only 20ft from him and the dogs. as i got to the spot were the guide,pig and dogs were i noticed what the dogs had done and begin to feel for the pig. my only thought was to put the animal out of its misery. while i wrestled the hog into position so i could shoot the pig and not have the bullet come out of the pig and hit a rock, i thought to myself, self this cant be how ur hunt ends, i thought maybe since the pig was only about 60-70lbs and badly disfigured that the guide would maybe say we will just put this pig out of its misery and continue to go after a bigger pig since we talked about if the dogs had caught a small hog we would let it go, and the fact that i had expressed from the very begining that what i was after was a trophy boar or a big sow that i could feel comfortable with since i am paying 500 dollars. now, take into consideration that i was,and still am trying to be nice and courteous to guide , hoping maybe someday i could develop a relationship with him for the simple fact that i love to hunt but dont always need to hunt. in other words maybe we would become friends and if he ever needed help with dragging or skinning or maybe even working off the hunt, i could eventually do so. what i am seeking is , what do u say in a situation like that? i left there feeling like i got ripped off. i know using dogs is pretty much, u get what they catch, i guess? i have never hunted with dogs so i didnt know what to expect. i know that u cant train dogs to only catch trophy boars and or bigger pigs so that when u do harvest an animal u kind off feel vindicated for spending the money it takes to go on a trip. i realize that just to be able to go out and hunt is a joy in itself and really do love just being able to go out and look through my binos and hopefully spot something, i could do that all day! my point is , what r the parameters, should one feel comfortable in asking or demanding that ur not happy with that animal and be able to request to go after something of the caliber of animal the hunter wants? or do u just keep ur mouth shut and take what the dogs chew up? one more thing, and asking this only because i am new to the guide thing, and have only been on one other guided hunt that i feel was hurried up to harvest a hog so the guide could receive their money so they could move on to their next client. after we were done with the pig the guide comes forward that he also does spot and stalk for a cheaper price, and while we were on our way to the dogs i look over and see about 20-30 pigs, i wanted to go after those and would have rather spot and stalked a pig since thats what im used to. what i am asking is, what r, please be serious with this, some of u experienced with guided hunts, some of the forgotten qsts people like myself can ask and not feel like u got ripped off later? sorry so long, just curious what u would do or say in that situation

 

[upper]

If you had your hand on the hog when or before you shot it you need to go back and hunt legally.But then again if you did you poached the first one!!!!!!!!!!! Upper

 

[yupurs]

wow-- this is a hard post to read-- sorry, I don't mean to be picky about your writing style. Mine ain't much better.

I would find a different guide and let them know what type of hunt you want. You can find spot-n-stalk hunts for $500.

Sorry you had a bad experience, try again.

 

[Hitman21]

upper, how is that poaching

 

[CATManReid]

In my opinion, the customer is always right. Getting up to a hog that's been mutilated by dogs ain't my idea of a "hunt" and follows more along the lines of "you get what you pay for." With that said, I would've expressed my concern outright and immediately, letting the guide shoot the hog instead of myself. If he opposed the idea, see ya later...take me to my truck so I can leave.

There's no point in trying to become friends with the guy if you feel like you've been ripped off. I've been down the road you speak of and it's more headache than anything. Just my thoughts.

 

[hatchet1]

im in

 

[Jagermeister]

Sounds like in your mind you were trophy hunting. But that must not have been communicated to the guide. You would at least have to have a hand shake agreement, saying that you'll keep hunting until you have a pig that has x inch long tusks, or weighs approximately x pounds. You also would have to have an agreement how much you will pay for every hog that you take, so you can keep going if a hog needs to be dispatched. If you did not explicitly make this a trophy hunt, you can not really fault the guide.

I talked to a few guides before I went on my first guided hunt. I would call to ask about their schedule, but also used the calls quiz them about the hunt. A good guide will be happy to explain things to you and take a few minutes to do so. A bad guide will already cut you short and push you around on the phone. It was very obvious who I did not want to go hunting with. The last thing you want to do is pay good money and spend a weekend with a jerk in return.

For guides use this forum as a reference. Then down-select by talking to each one of them. Remember, you are the customer. If they treat you like a kid, even though you may be a beginner, walk.

Good Luck,

Jagermeister

 

[mc2212]

Based on your story, it sounds like the guide is a jerk, and you didn't do enough research prior to booking your hunt. You got what you paid for.........a dead pig. What did you expect with a hunt like that?

 

[Backcountry]

1) paragraphs are your friend

2) until you can get your point across using paragraphs, use a spear

 

[Jagermeister]

On a separate note:

Trying to be friends with a guide to possibly get free hunts / work for them seems a bit naive. You don't go to a prostitute and hope she'll fall in love with you either? (Figuratively speaking ...

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Cheers,

Jagermeister

 

[Jagermeister]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Backcountry @ Dec 21 2008, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

1) paragraphs are your friend[/b]

Lks like text messaging got the better of R friend. There R no paragraphs in txt msg + they have a max lengh -160 characters.

Just kidding. I could read that just fine.

LTR,

JGR

 

[Lurediver]

"continue to go after a bigger pig since we talked about if the dogs had caught a small hog we would let it go"

sounds like you didn't get what you talked about.

 

[Speckmisser]

If you took what he offered, nothing else really matters. Move on and take the education.

First thing EVER if you're going to hunt with a guide, tell him/her EXACTLY what you're looking for. Then, during the hunt, make sure you remind the guide what you discussed. Finally, don't take less than you aked for.

If the guide is worth a damn, first he/she will tell you if your expectations are realistic. If they're not, you can decide if you are willing to lower them or hunt somewhere else. Then, if things are looking like you won't get exactly what you were after during the hunt, the guide will be honest. And finally, no guide worth a damn is going to tell you that you HAVE to shoot anything you didn't want to shoot.

 

[upper]

So Hitman,You are telling me that the guide had the hog on the ground restrained before it was dispatched?How was the pig dispatched?......Upper

 

[Cold1nhand]

You should have said something before you shot the pig. If you had an agreement with the guide, he should have honored it. But unless you spoke up before the bullet was fired kinda hard to fault the guide completely. Take this experience and learn from it. Make sure that your expectations are clear from the begining, and if neccessary remind them in the field. You shouldn't have to remind a good guide, as they will help you determine weather or not the animal is exactly what you are looking for.

 

[NatureDriven]

Cencs wen did JHO beacom the knew English languege korse?

Hitman's a fairly new member asking for a little advice and the forum turns into hooked on phonics. Give it a rest or give some advice in regards to his questions. He's not asking for a critique on his paragraph or punctuation.

 

[wood pusher]

speak up!!! dont shoot it if yopu dont want it. and it sure sounds like a legal take to me. no knife, not at night. wheres the paoching there?

 

[Backcountry]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NatureDriven @ Dec 22 2008, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Cencs wen did JHO beacom the knew English languege korse?

Hitman's a fairly new member asking for a little advice and the forum turns into hooked on phonics. Give it a rest or give some advice in regards to his questions. He's not asking for a critique on his paragraph or punctuation.[/b]

I'm under no obligation to read through crap that is poorly punctuated. If anyone wants a serious answer from me, they will be best served by cleary presenting their questions using English as it's meant to be read... with paragraphs.

If anyone doesn't care about the quality of responses then they can go ahead and continue to attempt to communicate like a 2nd Grader and expect the equivalent in return.

 

[upper]

I know you are ,but what am I

 

[weekender21]

My advice is to do a little more research next time. There are quite a few quality spot and stalk guided hunts out there for $500. If you communicate the size of pig you're looking for, any quality guide won't tell you to shoot a little one.

While I have nothing against hunters who pursue hogs with dogs, it's not my preferred method either. I have heard several hunters talking about similar experiences.

Do your research and communicate with your outfitter, this shouldn't happen again. Lesson learned.