What's the word on Cecil the Lion?

[Bankrunner]

This does not deserve this kind of press and it certainly doesn't help us hunters.
Maybe the Zinbabweans that where interviewed haven't seen Born Free or the Lion King. Pretty sure a lot of the people that are crying fowl around the globe have seen at least one of those movies.
I agree with you on most everything Bossbrott and i would hope others do to.
But I don't know if this harvest was legal or not.
And I will say that luring a banded hand feed duck out of a county park onto private/unincorporated land with a trail of bread crumbs for harvest may be legal. It is however something i would not do.

 

[JustGuy]

Yes, maybe after dozens of trophy hunts/harvests you would be well educated on what your 50k buys you. Question is, did the guides tell him it lived on a sanctuary, was a very popular lion and that it had to be lured off the sanctuary. Or maybe they just showed him a picture and described the lion to him without divulging the details.

I think it is the opposite, after dozens of trophy harvests he was well educated and knew exactly what he wants to buy for his 50K. I think it was him who showed the guides the picture of the lion which he wanted to kill, and this might be the reason he chosen shady "outfitters", otherwise he would pay 25k to a reputable and responsible guides.

 

[adam32]

$25,000 is a pretty cheap lion hut. Probably stay in a little hunt with no water. $50,000 isn't out of line for a first class hunt...

I know mule deer hunts in the USA that cost $20,000...

 

[TheGDog]

I will say I'm getting damn tired of (non-hunting) friends of Facebook unleashing all kinds of stupid anger on the Hunter. I tried to tell them they need to direct that anger towards the Shady Outfitters... but freakin none of them gets it... not even the avid fishermen among them. I weep for humanity and how easily they can be told who and what to hate and the just follow along without questioning and yearning to discern the full truth before passing judgement.

 

[Bankrunner]

I think it is the opposite, after dozens of trophy harvests he was well educated and knew exactly what he wants to buy for his 50K. I think it was him who showed the guides the picture of the lion which he wanted to kill, and this might be the reason he chosen shady "outfitters", otherwise he would pay 25k to a reputable and responsible guides.

It could be. We are all taking about our best guess or best theory.
Maybe your first post will be wrong and we will find out about the truth. Or not.

 

[Bankrunner]

I will say I'm getting damn tired of (non-hunting) friends of Facebook unleashing all kinds of stupid anger on the Hunter. I tried to tell them they need to direct that anger towards the Shady Outfitters... but freakin none of them gets it... not even the avid fishermen among them. I weep for humanity and how easily they can be told who and what to hate and the just follow along without questioning and yearning to discern the full truth before passing judgement.

Keep trying!

 

[Bankrunner]

I will say I'm getting damn tired of (non-hunting) friends of Facebook unleashing all kinds of stupid anger on the Hunter. I tried to tell them they need to direct that anger towards the Shady Outfitters... but freakin none of them gets it... not even the avid fishermen among them. I weep for humanity and how easily they can be told who and what to hate and the just follow along without questioning and yearning to discern the full truth before passing judgement.

Gdog,
A very small percentage of hunters are trophy hunters and of that percentage even a smaller amount of people can afford to fly to Africa and then pay per animal.
Most hunters enjoy being with family and friends or staying in touch with with nature while there are in pursuit of game. The key to hunting is you do not need to harvest an animal to be successful in harvesting a good and meaningful experience.

 

[JustGuy]

It could be. We are all taking about our best guess or best theory.
Maybe your first post will be wrong and we will find out about the truth. Or not.

As soon as i learned that a lion hunt is 25K the first thing popped on my mind, what for would he pay 2 times more? he is an experienced hunter who supposed to now prices and what he is paying for. There should be a reason. And the only reason comes to mind: he wanted some special service, like a particular animal.

 

[Deleted member 33033]

Lynch mob mentality, hang em before the facts are fully known. Funny thing is, if the Africans prosecute him...the fine is $5K.

 

[Common Sense]

As soon as i learned that a lion hunt is 25K the first thing popped on my mind, what for would he pay 2 times more? he is an experienced hunter who supposed to now prices and what he is paying for. There should be a reason. And the only reason comes to mind: he wanted some special service, like a particular animal.

I wouldn't pay $25.00 to shoot a lion; or a pig. But if other people want to pay to play, it doesn't bother me at all.

I am not sure why he chose the outfitter.

Likewise, I have no idea why you chose Adobe Ranch to give your money to. I seriously doubt you had a "special" pig picked out to shoot. I doubt they have five pigs tied up for you to chose from. I figure you liked the location, accommodations, and so forth.

Maybe the dentist is just as innocent as you.

 

[JustGuy]

Apparently you did not understand my point, sorry, "az meny hera notised, my anglish is wary bed".
My point is: please tell me why to pay 50K when you can get the same thing for $25? Doesn't it mean that for additional 25K he gets some additional/special service?
Is it better now?
And Bruce, i have already been accused of many things, but for having a lynch mob mentality... You can ask everyone i spoke about this, i was always defending this hunter until i heard about the price discrepancy. Do you have better explanation why to pay extra 25K. it is not 1K, not 5K, it is 25K. As twice as regular price. Any idea what can it be?

BTW, Common, it was a joke to piss of some clowns, i wouldn't imagine you buy it. It was 100% self guided hunt, exactly as i reported. Not guided, not semi guided.

 

[adam32]

Apparently you did not understand my point, sorry, "az meny hera notised, my anglish is wary bed".
My point is: please tell me why to pay 50K when you can get the same thing for $25? Doesn't it mean that for additional 25K he gets some additional/special service?
Is it better now?
And Bruce, i have already been accused of many things, but for having a lynch mob mentality... You can ask everyone i spoke about this, i was always defending this hunter until i heard about the price discrepancy. Do you have better explanation why to pay extra 25K. it is not 1K, not 5K, it is 25K. As twice as regular price. Any idea what can it be?

BTW, Common, it was a joke to piss of some clowns, i wouldn't imagine you buy it. It was 100% self guided hunt, exactly as i reported. Not guided, not semi guided.

I'll say it again since you don't seem to be getting it, $50,000 is not out of line at all for a first class safari.

Here, since you like to post links to cheaper hunts...

http://www.luxuryhunts.com/zimbabwe_lion_hunt.html

It doesn't even include airfare, which is another $5,000.

And you are basing the $50,000 on what the media is reporting, ever think they could be rounding up just a bit?

 

[OPAH]

Hunter? he couldn't even get a clean kill shot on a lured In damn near tame lion with a very expensive cross bow, he appears to me as a wantabe trophy hunter with out the skills or ability to DYI Hunt him self, He is a Black eye on us all.
It is Sad not that the lion was killed, the it was wounded suffered for days, that seven cubs will die because a subornment lion was not chosen. Yes this is Sad on so many levels

 

[adam32]

Hunter? he couldn't even get a clean kill shot on a lured In damn near tame lion with a very expensive cross bow, he appears to me as a wantabe trophy hunter with out the skills or ability to DYI Hunt him self, He is a Black eye on us all.
It is Sad not that the lion was killed, the it was wounded suffered for days, that seven cubs will die because a subornment lion was not chosen. Yes this is Sad on so many levels

All lies. He has over 40 SCI kills with a bow and arrow, NOT a crossbow! He was also doing it at night, I guarantee he has more skills then any keyboard commandos on this website. The lion had no cubs, it was a loner kicked out of its former pride and only recently joined up with another lion to "share" a pride.

 

[OPAH]

Hunter? He couldn't even get a clean kill shot on a Lured In damn near tame lion with a crossbow?
If you are a hunter you should be proficient with what ever weapon you are using.

 

[ChrisAMX]

[h=1]50,000 is cheap compared to what some pay for hunts; NY Hunter Pays $300K for Montana Bighorn Sheep Tag
http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs...ter-pays-300000-montana-bighorn-sheep-license[/h]

 

[JustGuy]

I'll say it again since you don't seem to be getting it, $50,000 is not out of line at all for a first class safari.

Here, since you like to post links to cheaper hunts...

http://www.luxuryhunts.com/zimbabwe_lion_hunt.html

It doesn't even include airfare, which is another $5,000.

And you are basing the $50,000 on what the media is reporting, ever think they could be rounding up just a bit?

Interesting, in this case how come, a quick google search reveled plenty of lion hunts in the range 16-25K where the most expensive:
Record Class and Black Mane Lions is 25-30 and if it is a white 35K including trophy fees and accomodations and transfer from airport and back.

And another thing, do you think his guides where elite ones to charge top $$$? Would respectable businessmen risk everything to do so? No, they are not top notch guides for sure. Same shady business providing special arrangements.
I do not want to accuse anyone since we do not know and most likely will never know the truth, i gust ask questions since it smell fishier than a mackerel stew...

 

[OPAH]

One more question Adam32, the charges he was supposedly convicted of is a Lie also?

 

[THE ROMAN ARCHER]

He probably defected to Russia to avoid extradition and is now slamming vodka shots with Eric Snowden right now.....lol.....tra

 

[adam32]

Interesting, in this case how come quick google search reveled plenty lion hunts in the range 16025K where the most expensive
Record Class and Black Mane Lions is 25-30 and if it is a white 35K

And another thing, do you think his guidese where elite ones to charge top $$$? Would respectable businessmen risk everything to do so? No, they are not top notch guides for sure.
I do not want to accuse anyone since we do not know and most likely will never know the truth, i gust ask questions since it smell fishier than a mackerel stew...

Those prices are trophy fees most likely, probably doesn't include daily rates or lodging or pretty much anything else. An average Lion after all is said and done is around $50k for a trophy.