Where NOT to hunt.

[F350]

Post places you would not hunt and why.
I'll start.

1. JCA - Put & Take, lacks challenge. 200+ Hogs kept captive on 500 Acres.

2. Big Horn Canyon - Put & Take, No challenge. Hogs imported from out of state and are virtually tame.

3. Cedar Canyon - Put & Take, Lacks challenge. 160 Hogs on 640 Acres. Imported through Canada and Ear Tagged. Real Russians, Yes but still captive.

I don't see much sense in walking into what is basically a Zoo and shooting.

 

[F350]

Oh C'mon now.

I'm seeing a ton of views on this topic but nobody has anything to share?

The whole idea of coming here is to share knowledge with each other for the betterment of the sport.

Don't be shy, it's fun and your brother hunters will appreciate it.

 

[superduty]

I must agree with you on nobody that I know or would hunt with likes to shoot fish in a barrel. Let along 200 plus hogs behind a electrified fence. But as for mentioning anybody by name I have nothing to offer. All of my hunting has been on public land with exception to larger game. Bird hunting and so on doesn't seem to hurt as much when you come home empty handed. You always have good time with family/friends/dog to remember. But when it comes to larger game some people don't have the hook-ups and save for along time just to make one trip. Maybe one of the places you mentioned works better for them to put the meat in the freezer. The thing that bothers me the most is lets say your going elk hunting and you saved for a year for this hunt. Sometimes you lose track of the enjoyment of the real hunt because you saved so much for so long and now all you want to do is make the shot. Just enjoy the hunt I say. If you work hard enough you should get results.

I think hunting has become to comercialized on the dollar.

 

[F350]

Superduty,
I'm with you. Some friends and I are trying to get a public land Hunt/Camp trip together right now. I'll let you know and maybe you can make it.

 

[superduty]

I'm always open to new hunting experiences. I've rarelly bumped into people that weren't worth giving my time too in the outdoor realm. Let me know.

 

[bigtusker]

I think it's all fine and dandy for people to say where they wouldn't hunt, even mention names if that's what they want to do, but don't bash an outfitter/guide/rancher if you have never been there or don't know anyone who has. I have never been to any of the ranches named but I do know many people who have hunted JCA and not heard a complaint from any of them. His pigs are not domestic hogs that he let's loose. They are wild, albeit they are behind a high fence, but you are not just going to walk in to a pen and shoot one.

 

[Orso]

Even though I may have heard of some of the places mentioned above, I have never hunted at any of them. Therefore I will not comment one way or the other.

 

[Live2hunt]

Well I've never been to any of the places mentioned above. I sure for one does not like shooting fish in a barrel. But I'm sure an operation knows the capabilities and the expectation of their customers when they started. I do know some guys that when they pay to go on a hunt, they expect to come home with an animal, but they do not want to or does not have the physical abilities to hike the rugged terrains. So operations like the ones mentioned are probably ideal for those people to participate in the sport with success.

There is a guide I wouldn't hunt with again and would not recommend to anyone who is out on their first pig hunt. The guide is Craig Vanhousen Guide Services out of Geyserville, CA and here is why.

http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/index....Craig+Vanhousen



L2H

 

[F350]

Bigtusker,
Nobody's bashing here. It's a matter of preference and opinions.
Again, what this forum is here for.

As far as physically challenged hunters are concerned, I couldn't agree more.
Everyone should have the pleasure of experiencing a hunt and I would gladly volunteer my truck, my time, and my labor to help a physically challenged person do so. I have a deep passion for this sport and love to share it. NOTE: I won't however accept any gifts or compensation for doing so as I am not a licensed guide.

Again, back to the topic.
I personally would rather hunt my hardest and come home with nothing than
shoot captive hogs.

Fence lines, Put & Takes, Trapped and released hogs, are not (In my opinion) fair chase and are not Hunting. It's finding & shooting.

There's a reason they don't require Lic. & tags at these places.... It's NOT Hunting.

"Nuff Said".

 

[UPER]

Never have hunted a ranch, I don't have the cash to do that, so it is all public land for me. I have shot pigs on BLM in Coalinga and busted my rear end many weekends before I finally bagged one. The feeling of accomplishment and satisfaction after that was great. But I would be a liar if I said I would not do a ranch hunt, would love to do Tejon one of these years and some of the ranches others talk about here sound like allot of fun. Just my

Ron

 

[superduty]

UPER, doing one of those planted or imported ranch hunts that F350 is talking about is nothing like doing a Tejon or Choppers type of pig hunt. Just not comparable. You say you pig hunt public land and I bow down to that.

But I hope one of these days you get to go to a private ranch and experience that land. NO TRASH, LIMITED PEOPLE, AND EVERYBODY YOU MEET IF YOU DO BUMP INTO SOMEBODY WILL GIVE A DAMB ABOUT THE LAND AND SAYING HELLO AND GIVING ANY HELPFULL ADVICE IF THEY HAVE ANY TO OFFER. They know what pack it in and pack it out is all about.

 

[EVAN III]

Just thought I'd chime in on this one. I don't know how many hunters on this site have gone out with guides only to have the guide point out a pig and say shoot it, alot of what I hear about guides they either drive you around or otherwise point you to the pigs. I guess I must be slow, but what is the difference between walking on a ranch with an over abundence of animals or having someone take you and all but point your gun or bow at the animal for you. I'm sure not all guides are the same, but alot of what happens is no more of a challenge then some of these put and take ranches. In fact don't most guides guide on private property?
It's not like you go out and find the game yourself and do all kinds of back breaking work to make your hunt a succuss. To what degree of torture do you have to put yourself through in order to be a "REAL HUNTER"?? It drives me nuts to hear hunters squbbling over what a real hunter is, or who is the better hunter. Hunting is what you make of it, or what you enjoy. (within the limits of the law). I personally don't like to hunt big game behind dogs, or shoot animals out of trees, but it is perfectly legal in some states and it is a form of hunting whether it's my ball of wax or not. I've hunted at Big Horn Ranch and I have also spent 14 hours lugging a bear out of the mountains, both were enjoyable. Both were memorible, both were very different, will I go back to big horn, probly not, but it was still fun. So anyway, Since I'm not sure what real hunting is, will someone please enlighten me. Fish in a barrel is a funny term, would you rather fish in a lake with ten fish, or would you rather go to a lake you know is full of fish. It would be unsportsman like to fish at the lake that is stocked twice a week insted of only once a month. I guess fishing it's acceptable to go to the place with the most fish, it's kind of like catching fish in a barrel!! Just another point of view take it for what it's worth.

Oh and one other thing I forgot about. someone said they don't require tags and a licence because it's not hunting. If I remember correctly they don't require tags and a licence because the animals are owned privately and not by the state. A wild pig that is trapped and sold, is still a wild pig. Pigs on tajon are fenced in, does that make them farm pigs?

 

[bzzboyz]

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F350. the only reply I can come up with is..........


In Texas with California plates on your truck

 

[F350]

bzzboyz,
That's pretty good! I guess you read the other post. I laughed for about 5 minutes when I read that.

Guys, my point is this. The places with the auction bought pigs like big horn
are put & take. I've heard enough stories from hunters who have walked up on hogs and had to wake them up. You really wanna call that hunting?

The private ranches like Tejon, Choppers, The Vanhorns, The Millers, Hearst, and some of the Guide services that are reputible like boaring experiences llc and so on. Are REAL HUNTS. The hogs aren't sleepers or bread in captivity, theyr'e real wild pigs (WILD). No one throws them feed or pours them water. Most of these ranches don't keep the hogs in. The hogs go over/under/through fences from land to land and again are truly wild. These are the same hogs that are found on public land.

I don't mean to offend anyone and if I have...I'm sorry but stand by.
If you think that going to a place with an electrified fence and shooting an animal is hunting, it's not. Look at some of the pictures in some of the posts, These pigs have walked up and had thier picture taken. Do you really believe that's a WILD pig ???

Look, if you want to go to the "put & take" ranches (200 pigs locked into 500 acres) and shoot "Babe"...more power to ya, but please... don't convince yourself that your in the same caliber as those who hunt for hours on end on public or private land crawling on thier bellies in brush tunnels just hoping to get a glimpse of a hog. These are the hogs that run under fences after you've tracked and stalked all day just to go to the neighbors land or that start out on the public land you're at only to cross onto private property.

When you can deal with that frustration and then go home empty but still feeling like you had a great hunt and enjoyed being out there, Then you're a hunter.

If all you wat to do is shoot a hog, call big horn and maybe he'll just keep one in the cage for ya. Then you can tell us all the story of how you put the stalk on those hogs and suddenly BANG ! ! !

Sorry for going off topic but this is just getting old. The purpose of this thread is for serious hunters to share info on where not to go if you want to work for your hog and feel like you've earned it. And no I don't mean cash your paycheck so you could buy a pet and then kill it. Again, If I've offended anyone and you know who you are...I'm sorry.

"Nuff Said"

 

[EVAN III]

F-350,

First of all you can say it, yes I know you are talking to me, cool beans. Second I don't offened that easy, so don't worry your self about that. And last I've crawled through tunnels and I've also spent many an hour looking and stalking, scounting and every thing else you've talked about. In fact that bear I mentioned spending 14 hours hauling out off the hills, guess what that bear wasn't even mine, a buddy I was hunting with that season shot it, and I thought I'd help him out. I've hunted Tajon ranch twice, and guess what, I didn't get a pig either time, still had a blast and I'm looking forward to going back. My whole point to my thread is I'm getting tired of people tooting there own horns talking about what a great hunter they are and how they are so much better then other hunters. Putting other people down telling them that there style of hunting isn't really hunting and so forth. It's kind of like me saying "Anyone who hunts with dogs and shoots treed animals isn't a real hunter, and it's not real hunting". Just because everyone else doesn't do it your way doesn't mean it's not hunting, it's just not your way of hunting. I've been around this site long enough to have seen this thread probly at least 20 times. My post wasn't directed at you, it was more of a general post. as I said in my last post hunting can be made easy by doing many things. This may be a long post, but what the heck I have time. Every day they come out with new stuff to make hunting easier, better guns, scopes, atv's, clothing, bino's, game finders (after the kill), game camaras, scent blockers, and a whole bunch of stuff. The market on such stuff is so large because some hunters want it to be easiers. Does this make them not hunters? Sure they are tools and I realize it's a different senerio, but the fact is it makes it easier thats why it's there. One could say that if you don't hunt butt naked except for a loin cloth and a spear you are not a real hunter. I mean after all thats pretty much how it all started. Thats real hunting. What would you have to say if a traditional bow hunter told you your not a real hunter? That claim would hold water right, after all the natives hunted with traditional bows, so they are the real hunters. I hunt with a pistol, so if you hunt with a rifle your not a real hunter. Fact of the matter is there are many ways to hunt, over bait (thats real hard), behind dogs (real hard too), tree stand (not hard), tripod feeder (not hard), rifle (whats so hard about shooting something from 300 yds) pistol (whats so hard about that) Bottom line is who are you to say what real hunting is?? Who am I to say? Question? Do you think walking up to a bear that has been treed and shooting him from 20 yds below is hunting. If so, then why is it any different then walking up to a pig and shooting it from 20 yds away? Your going to say well the bear is wild right. Real wild, scared shitless cowering up in a tree. It's all about what you make of it, it's your way to hunt. That doesn't mean it has to be everyone elses. Like I said in my previous post I have hunted big horn, will I go back, NO!! why because it's not my style, I went with out knowing what the ranch was really all about, and I went a saw for myself. The way it seems to me is you don't want to be put in the same boat as people that have or do hunt put and take ranches. Well bow hunters don't want to be put in the same boat as rifle or pistol hunters, pistol hunters don't want to be put in the same boat as rifle hunters, It doesn't mean they are no hunters, it doesn't mean that they are better then any hunter, they just choose to do it differently. My problem is it really chaps my a** when people think they are just somehow better then everyone else. Your not better you just do it differently. You have a right to your opinion but when you start telling everyone how it is, cridentials will be questioned. In my OPINION, ALL hunters (within the limits of the law) need to stick together. Once we start tearing each other apart, kiss it good bye. *NUFF SAID*

I hope I made my point, as I'm not the best with words. And Another thing. you said <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>

Sorry for going off topic but this is just getting old. The purpose of this thread is for serious hunters to share info on where not to go if you want to work for your hog and feel like you've earned it. And no I don't mean cash your paycheck so you could buy a pet and then kill it.[/b]

whats getting old is people who come on here and want to tell everyone how great he is. The thread started out as a opinion post then turned into a I'm better then you post. Thats what's old. As for serious hunters, If I read correctly, it seems anyone who doesn't hunt ike you isn't serious.

 

[hicntry]

"Look, if you want to go to the "put & take" ranches (200 pigs locked into 500 acres) and shoot "Babe"...more power to ya, but please... don't convince yourself that your in the same caliber as those who hunt for hours on end on public or private land crawling on thier bellies in brush tunnels just hoping to get a glimpse of a hog. "

I hunt a private 6000 acre ranch. Only two of us allowed to hunt there. I also use dogs. Now when you guys decide who is the best hunter and uses the best methods, you all give me a call and I will send you some wild pork before ya'all forget what it really tastes like.....using your approved methods that is.LOL

 

[superduty]

Dear EVAN III, personally I rarelly don't enjoy listening to somebody (toot their own horn) as you put it. I think of them as campfire stories and I grew up listening to them. I only hope one day I will have enough of them to share with my kids to install the want and drive to hunt that my predicessors installed in me. I think I read you doing alittle yourself but haven't figured out how to do the whole quote thing here yet.

I don't hear anybody here saying that they are better than anybody else like you said. I must agree with you though with divided we fall. I have my opinions on hunting just like every hunter probably does but by being a hunter I must support my fellow hunters the best that I can. I need them.

The first thing any orginization will do to destroy what they don't agree with is divide you into smaller groups and try to pick you off.

I think everybodys opinion large or small counts. I just try to keep an open mind at all times. Closed minds I believe is a sign of weakness.

 

[F350]

Okay, well I guess I've been told.
I absolutely do not think I'm a better hunter than anyone here and if that's the message I've conveyed, I'm sorry.

All I'm trying to say is that I have very strong feelings (Obviously) about walking up on an animal that can't go too far and shooting it and then, telling stories about the "Hunt". I also don't believe in going to a private trout pond only because I know I'll catch something. I'd refer to that as a fresh fish market, which is fine but don't then call me up to talk about the fight the fish gave.

Knife, Spear, Bow, Pistol, and rifle hunters alike are all my friends and yes all real hunters. But again, Hunting is just that, Hunting. Killing is the pay-off at the end of the hunt.

As far as the "Put & Takes"? there's a reason they're called that. They Put the Pig in an oversized pen and...You pay money to go in and take it.

Yeah I think they're great for those with physical limitations and like I've said before, I would gladly donate my time, my fuel, and my muscle to help a physically challenged person enjoy the sport. At least then, it's more "Fair Chase".

Again, if your the type who wants to go to a Put & Take Ranch...That's great for you. Just not my cup of joe. As a gentleman, I sincerely apologize to any of you who may have had thier feelings hurt.

As for me and my family & friends? we'll continue to hunt hard and if we do go home empty, we'll still have enjoyed the hunt. Believe me, I'm not the Great American Hunter by any means, I've probably killed less game than most of you but when I do, I know I've worked hard for it.

Yes, I get frustrated but, not enough to have someone hand me my hog.
But that's just me. And that's just my

 

[Bishop]

Back when we started all this talk on the old "California Hunting and Fishing" forum, most of our philosophies of hunting were pretty uniform with the hunting methods and traditions of California.
Now that JHO has become "international", a lot of us are reading about hunting methods that appear foreign or even unsavory to us.
Let's face it, differant parts of the country have differant hunting and trapping philosophies. For a lot of people it's not as much about sport, as it's about the necessity of putting meat on the table. Things that are illegal or considered unethical in California, are totally legal, and have been widely praticed for generations in other parts of the country.
In California most of us have the luxury of considering hunting and fishing a sport. If we don't score something, we just go to Albertson's for our meat or fish. We may have feelings against trapping, trot lines, fenced hunting ranches, hound hunting, feeders, bear baiting, etc. But these are all hunting and fishing methods that have been used and enjoyed by sportsmen in our country since the founding.
Our numbers are dwindling. Every year fewer boys and girls are introduced to hunting and fishing.
If we start dividing ourselves into smaller groups, we'll be a lot closer to extinction. The anti's have a game plan. First they go after the trappers, saying "there's no need for fur, and trapping is cruel". Then they go after the houndsmen, saying "it's unsporting". Then they attack baiting. Then they attack fenced operations. And on and on each domino falls. I run into fisherman all the time who tell me they "would never consider killing animals". They don't realize that when the anti's are done with the hunters and trappers, the next target is the fishermen. "United we stand, Diveded we fall".

 

[sdbowyer]

Sorry, I just don't believe in the 'united we stand, divided we fall' thing in every case. If enough JHO'ers have been to the Big Horn ranch and say it's a joke and describe why it's a joke, then it's probably a joke. It doesn't do hunting any good to be non-judgemental in these situations. It's not the FENCE that's offending most of these hunters, it's the fact that these pink, floppy-eared pigs are walking up to the hunters looking for food. I'm with you F350, I really can't call that hunting with a straight face.