Wild pigs are wearing out their welcome in San Diego County..........LA times

[dtj6ppc]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-pigs-20110606,0,6547544.story

 

[ltdann]

Jeez,

Lots of heat over 300 pigs. Leave that things alone.

 

[palladin]

The comments from the PETA representative are, of course, epic.

How does a wild pig feed it's family?

 

[BADBuckfever]

Wow, the LA Times demonize the game animal instead of the hunters? That article sounded like a call to arms against the evil little piggies.

Notice the comment by the VIEJAS CASINO OWNERS - Viejas Indian tribe,

"...As sovereign nations, the tribes can do what they want on their own property. But tribal officials are discussing a regional solution with state and federal wildlife officials because pigs do not obey boundaries."

"We want those little biological time bombs eliminated if possible,'' said Viejas spokesman Bob Scheid."

Biological time bombs???? Is this guy for real? They could see this as an opportunity to have guided hunts, but instead they view a wild animal as a time bomb. This ISNT a traditional NATIVE AMERICAN view of human/animal interaction. These guys sound like they are very upset about the hogs and I would be surprised if they weren't one of the groups calling for eradication measures.

Its a SORRY DAY when NATIVE AMERICANS REFUSE TO HUNT on their own lands. I would think they would be happy to have a FREE FOOD SOURCE show up on their lands. Weird.

 

[Farmerdoug]

Wow, the LA Times demonize the game animal instead of the hunters? That article sounded like a call to arms against the evil little piggies.

Notice the comment by the VIEJAS CASINO OWNERS - Viejas Indian tribe,

"...As sovereign nations, the tribes can do what they want on their own property. But tribal officials are discussing a regional solution with state and federal wildlife officials because pigs do not obey boundaries."

"We want those little biological time bombs eliminated if possible,'' said Viejas spokesman Bob Scheid."

Biological time bombs???? Is this guy for real? They could see this as an opportunity to have guided hunts, but instead they view a wild animal as a time bomb. This ISNT a traditional NATIVE AMERICAN view of human/animal interaction. These guys sound like they are very upset about the hogs and I would be surprised if they weren't one of the groups calling for eradication measures.

Its a SORRY DAY when NATIVE AMERICANS REFUSE TO HUNT on their own lands. I would think they would be happy to have a FREE FOOD SOURCE show up on their lands. Weird.

Pigs aren't the only creatures that don't obey boundries in San Diego.

 

[Caninelaw]

Well, if 3/4 or more of the county wasn't tied up in non-huntable refuges, parks and reservation lands, let alone private property, maybe hunters could get to them. Open up all that land to hunting and watch what happens.

 

[Use_Enough_Gun]

Pigs aren't the only creatures that don't obey boundries in San Diego.

Now THAT is funny. Subtle--but funny...

 

[ltdann]

Wow, the LA Times demonize the game animal instead of the hunters? That article sounded like a call to arms against the evil little piggies.

Notice the comment by the VIEJAS CASINO OWNERS - Viejas Indian tribe,

"...As sovereign nations, the tribes can do what they want on their own property. But tribal officials are discussing a regional solution with state and federal wildlife officials because pigs do not obey boundaries."

"We want those little biological time bombs eliminated if possible,'' said Viejas spokesman Bob Scheid."

Biological time bombs???? Is this guy for real? They could see this as an opportunity to have guided hunts, but instead they view a wild animal as a time bomb. This ISNT a traditional NATIVE AMERICAN view of human/animal interaction. These guys sound like they are very upset about the hogs and I would be surprised if they weren't one of the groups calling for eradication measures.

Its a SORRY DAY when NATIVE AMERICANS REFUSE TO HUNT on their own lands. I would think they would be happy to have a FREE FOOD SOURCE show up on their lands. Weird.

Thats what you get when producers put crap like "pig bomb", "hogs gone wild" and that abomination "pig hunt" on TV. The sheeple will believe what they see on the boob tube.

This IS NOT Texas, Georgia or any of the other southern states. We don't have enough water or habitat to support populations like those other states.

It's interesting to note that the same people that are anti-hunting are all for machinegunning from a helicopter. I don't get it.

 

[BADBuckfever]

Whats up?
The natives wont hunt.

 

[nickmetz]

Maybe we are looking at this all wrong. If the state wants to eradicate the "pig bombs" with helicopter hunter, and we think their chances are no better than ours, throw in the difficulty of the shot for an amateur who is not used to shooting through a strong downdraft situation, I propose we contact the state, and ask to board the helicopters. There is a challenge for us, the state gets their pigs taken care of, and we can collect the ribs.

One other problem not being considered by the state, is that they will just leave the dead pig in the woods, which will give an unbalanced food supply to predators, increasing their survival during the campaign, which then will push the predators into backyards when the campaign ends. Say bye bye to Fifi, and Scooter, and may be even little Scott Smith or Brianna Doe in a few years, because of the increased predator population used to eating well and free, and now looking for food which is gone.

 

[palladin]

Wow, the LA Times demonize the game animal instead of the hunters? That article sounded like a call to arms against the evil little piggies.

Notice the comment by the VIEJAS CASINO OWNERS - Viejas Indian tribe,

"...As sovereign nations, the tribes can do what they want on their own property. But tribal officials are discussing a regional solution with state and federal wildlife officials because pigs do not obey boundaries."

"We want those little biological time bombs eliminated if possible,'' said Viejas spokesman Bob Scheid."

Biological time bombs???? Is this guy for real? They could see this as an opportunity to have guided hunts, but instead they view a wild animal as a time bomb. This ISNT a traditional NATIVE AMERICAN view of human/animal interaction. These guys sound like they are very upset about the hogs and I would be surprised if they weren't one of the groups calling for eradication measures.

Its a SORRY DAY when NATIVE AMERICANS REFUSE TO HUNT on their own lands. I would think they would be happy to have a FREE FOOD SOURCE show up on their lands. Weird.

yeah, I caught that "time bomb" reference too. I'm also surprised that tribes don't exploit it. Maybe they forgot how to hunt or maybe pig hunting isn't as lucrative as operating a casino?

 

[BADBuckfever]

The native children could be guides if they hadn't lost their hunting skills to slot machines and xbox.

 

[palladin]

yeah.

xbox is evil.

 

[IrishCamel]

And how do they plan on exterminating them? Every ranger I have talked to has no idea where they might be...

 

[ltdann]

And how do they plan on exterminating them? Every ranger I have talked to has no idea where they might be...

They plan on throwing $1.2 dollars at 'em! The weight of all that money ought to crush 'em! Where ever they're at.

 

[BADBuckfever]

All of this is getting too much. The contradictions are making me wonder.

First, they are supposedly damaging plant life - so they must be stopped. (dont all animals that eat flora damage the plants?)

Second, we hear the pigs are "biological time bombs," the scourge of the natives (who don't know how to draw a bow any longer). So now they must be stopped before they take over the casinos and scare away all of the gamblers. Why is this OUR PROBLEM? Tell the natives to learn to hunt again and deal with their own issues.

Thirdly, we hear its kinda the hunter's fault because they cant effectively kill them since its very difficult to find any and shoot them one at a time in these gnarly canyons and backwoods. Who really cares (or even knows for that matter) what a mystery ghost pig can do in the gnarly canyons of the CNF backwoods? If you cant even find them how are they a problem???

Does anyone else think we are missing some pertinent information here. Cause the story keeps changing focus.

Here's my take on it so far:
Sounds like they got some pissed off land owners (whether State land or private) who are stirring things up. So, Why the hell the Feds are involved still doesn't make any sense. If these pigs are on USFS land it should be a non-issue. Are they going from forest land to private and back and forth? Cause at this point its starting to sound real fishy.

 

[mezcan]

U.S.D.A. is involved also.... With no farming of edible plants in CNF to speak of.. That leaves cattle. Cattle owners lease large areas of the national forest for grazing their herds. Multi-million dollar agrabusiness... Pigs could possibly(remote chance) spread disease to cattle.... Don't know for sure, but probably a safe bet the tribes also own herds of beef on the hoof or at the very least , lease grazing rights to cattle ranchers. Just my two cents.

 

[jumphis]

:thumbs up2::thumbs up2igs aren't the only creatures that don't obey boundries in San Diego." I Agree Farmerdoug. Maybe our state should be spending that eradication money elsewhere! I mean on other invasive species coming into San diego county!@!!!

 

[coyote 1]

Here is a copy of the letter asking for input. Please send your comments to Pete Gomben before June 27th. JM

United States Department of Agriculture
Forest Service
Cleveland National Forest
SO
10845 Rancho Bernardo Rd.
Suite 200
San Diego, CA 92127-2107
(858) 673-6180
(858) 673-6192 FAX
(800) 735-2922 CRS

Caring for the Land and Serving People
File Code: 1950

Date: June 1, 2011

Dear Interested Party:
Based on public comments received in response to my letter dated August 25, 2010, seeking your assistance in developing a proposed action aimed at reducing the impacts of non-native wild pigs on National Forest System lands, as well as input from adjacent land management agencies and tribal lands, The Cleveland National Forest proposes to analyze an integrated wild pig damage management strategy that would use the most effective, selective, and environmentally desirable method, or combination of methods, for eliminating impacts of pigs to be tailored to site-specific field conditions.

Because many portions of the Cleveland National Forest in San Diego and Riverside counties are adjacent to Bureau of Land Management lands, our analysis would study the effects of the proposal on BLM lands as well. The Forest Service will be the lead agency for the proposal but will receive input and professional assistance from BLM personnel.

As I noted in my August 25 letter, pigs have the potential to damage riparian and oak grassland habitats when they create wallows and when they root for food. Pigs also compete for resources with native species and may also transmit diseases. Damage to acorn crops by pigs could cause further stress to populations of native oak species that are already declining due to drought-related stress and the spread of gold-spotted oak borers. Pigs have also been known to prey on native wildlife and game species, including the nests and eggs of ground-nesting birds.

Based on the location and circumstances in which the pigs may be found, methods proposed for killing pigs would include cage traps, corral traps, shooting from the ground and from the air, and the use of dogs. Proposed methods would be undertaken by personnel from the U.S. Forest Service, the Bureau of Land Management, the U.S.D.A. Wildlife Services, or other agencies or their representatives as deemed necessary. All pigs would be either euthanized on-site, or taken off-site to be euthanized. Carcasses would be disposed of properly, as per local or state statutes.

Similar projects to what we propose have been undertaken on the Sabine National Wildlife Refuge in Louisiana and the Sequoyah National Wildlife Refuge in Oklahoma, as well as in the state of Hawaii, as ways of reducing or eliminating the impacts of feral pigs on native wildlife and plant species.
We would like your feedback on the proposal. Please send us your comments by Monday, June 27, or ensure that they are postmarked by that date. Mailed comments should be sent to:

Pete Gomben, Environmental Coordinator
Cleveland National Forest
10845 Rancho Bernardo Road, Suite 200
San Diego, CA 92127

Comments also may be submitted via telephone at (858) 674-2901 or fax at (858) 673-6192.
Hand delivery of comments may be made between the hours of 8 a.m. and 4:30 p.m. on business days at the address above. Comments may be submitted via email in a Word (.doc), rich text format (.rtf), portable document format (.pdf), or text (.txt) format to pgomben@fs.fed.us.

To be eligible for appeal rights, persons who submit comments must either sign the comments or verify identity upon request. Names and addresses of persons making comments will become part of the public record. Only persons who provide comments or otherwise express interest in the proposal during the scoping or comment periods will have appeal rights. Comments must meet the requirements of 36 CFR
215.

Although the official scoping period for this proposal ends on June 27, your comments and concerns are always welcome throughout our analysis process. If you would like to stay informed on this project, and other projects on the Cleveland National Forest, please visit our new website at:
http://www.fs.usda.gov/cleveland
Thanks for your interest in the Cleveland National Forest.

Sincerely,
/s/ William Metz
WILLIAM METZ
Forest Supervisor

 

[ltdann]

I'll never understand this state.

Mountain lions have eaten people, and they are protected.

Pigs eat acorns on the ground, they get exterminated.