Wilderness Unlimited?

[Arrowslinger]

Tell ya what boys...this thread is getting real good

I think i can speak for many of us when i say thanks for posting up the good and bad experiences of WU.

 

[BigDog]

 

[Speckmisser]

Hey ClickDog... thought you'd be heading toward the Sierra by now?

Anyway, move over and share the popcorn.

Guys, let's keep it civil... no need making it personal.

 

[BOWUNTR]

All of this brings an interesting question to mind.

Should WU allow "shooting poor forkies....., (or) Quest for bigger deer"????

Ed F

 

[Mel Carter]

Ed, you crack me up.

Ok, i've been watching this thread, and really holding back any replies.

I popularity of this club is split down the middle, but I do have to agree with outdoorplay. I was active (inactive now) for about 4 years, maybe 5. I hunted deer 3 times a year if needed, and hogs about the same. I've taken 3 bucks from WU properties, some where good properties and some were ok, but still managed to get a buck. Never got a hog, but had the chances, just missed the shots.

Just because it's private doesn't mean a kill.

I have never witnessed any wrong doing from any of the members, that doesn't say they are perfect. But the properties that have caretakers living there will be the ones where less issues will come up, like shooting .22 on an archery only property.

Ok, don't beat me up too! Just my opinion.

 

[257 wby]

Shooting poor forkies. The problem is that there are some forkies out there that some members of WU would have a hard time not shooting especially when the ranches WU leases suck . I remember the Peachtree Ranch when American Sportsman had the lease had a 3pt or better for the first 3 wks of A zone. Bad move, lots of dead good forks found after deer season. They would shoot them and when the saw the deer were not 3 pts they were left to rot.

 

[lxtrail]

I was a member for a year also, that was when i lived in bakersfield, there was alot of private property around there so i thought it was a good thing, needless to say i was young and dumb. there was alot of problems witht he ranches in that area. porrly managed and i had a few run in with some SOB's while hog hunting. I am so glad that I live near lake tahoe now there are great people in this area. and there are plenty of places to hunt here in nevada and cali. WU is just a money pit that likes to screw the guy that isnt in the in crowd. There are alot of better thing that i can do to spend about 2000$ a year.
you could take that money and put in for big game hunts in 3 or 4 differnet sates every year. go to arizona, nevada, colorado, utah and do some

:gunfighte just my 2 centsr:

 

[upperEA]

I could care less about any ranch or club in Cali but what I do care about is the way this and many of the topics are heading these days. I along with many have never and would never slam another member about their spelling, grammer or syntax when it comes to posts. I am sure everyone including myself on this website has made many spelling and grammatical errors. So I guess were all stupid EA? I am no moderator just a loyal member of JHO so I say this with the utmost humility.. Please, state your opion till the cows come home but if you feel the urge to demean another with their faults go to one of those liberal web sites and cut up

 

[bighorn67]

I'll second that.

This site should be a retreat from the hot zone, not the other way around.

Dave

 

[SierraExplorer]

I can attest to this and only to this RE: WU

Mel has informed me more of WU than I have ever been able to gleem off of JHP and JHO just from his personal experience. Mel Carter is about one of the straight up persons I have had the pleasure to meet. i know he has had expereince that he stated + some.

I also know that Mel is 100% a straight shooter- maybe not in aim

- but in words and actions.

Give me a shoe box and I will put some junk into it and label/store it. Give my kids the same shoe box and they will make a 3D Nativity sceen out of it.

The box is no different- Just the person that is holding it that can put it to best use for them.

Grasshopper

 

[pitdog]

Well… I want to back Outdoorplay, whom I’m proud to say is a friend of mine.
This guy is a very experienced hunter. I think he hunts just about every day of the season. I’ve seen his success and it’s been impressive. I’m not so concerned about hunter success as I believe it’s a relative issue. I just want to get away from the slobs and pochers.

I have always wanted to buy a property with some other investors/hunters, but it never has materialized. For a couple thousand bucks in a club like this, I can hunt all over CA for just about every game animal known to CA. I have heard tons of complaints about the “SO CAL WU fields”, but I also here big compliments from those who know the system and have put in the time scouting the properties. Bottom line is these types of clubs are a concept… Something that started with a group of hunters who wanted to get away from all the slobs…

D19 last year was a freaking joke. Hundreds of idiots everywhere. I saw more beer cans and trash last year from slob hunters that I could stand. I wasn’t about to continue to my area fearing that some jackass juiced up on Bud might think that I was a deer. This year I didn’t even bother buying a local tag since it’s such a joke out there... Why they offer thousands of tags in these areas, I’ll never know. I think they should limit the tags and perhaps increase the price… Yes???

I think if I listen to Mike and hunt during the week, this will be a good deal… Yes???

…
Or I could spend the same amount of money to just shoot squirrels & yotes at Tejon ranch… Or I could do as my dad did and just quit hunting because of the public land fiasco. ???

Does anyone have any recent experience with Golden Ram or any other like clubs?

P.S. This is just my honest opinion and nothing more.

 

[outdoorplay]

Guy’s I would like to say thank you, for your support,

and there are a few of you that really know me and ya I can’t spell, and I don’t know grammar, this is a fact and I will never hide form my learning disabilities, they are apart of how I am, and I would not be were I am today if I “Normal” and Pits, Ess, Arise and a few others can tell you, I am in a purity good place. Thanks guys for saying something.

boarhunter67 your comments on one’s ability or Disabilities only show more of your ingenerates.

I do know the ins and outs of the club and that is how I know when someone is full of SH!^ or not,

I am sure that you will not take the time to look up the posts on this subject, but if you do you will find that I only call BS when I catch someone lying about the club….or talking about the club in a 3rd party.

So here is your next attempt to lie about the club, in your own words “The drawing was BS. I knew people who would get on ranches every weekend, full or not, because they knew someone. Haven't you ever been smart enough to look around and notice that the ranch says it allows 6 hunters and there are 8 people? I often saw more hunters than a ranch was supposed to have and the people who were extra always knew the caretaker.”

First of all, the club has and will never tell you or any other member how many people may hunt the club. All they will tell you or any one ell is “yes there is room for you and your three hunters or no there is only room for 2 or sorry do you have another prop in mind…. All I ask is be honest and leave your BS out of it. Because I will catch every lie you tell and I will call bowl SH!^

every time. If your tells are true you will never hear a word for me, but you will with you stretch it, I’ll catch it.

So it is very apparent that you have an axe to grind and will say anything you can to bad mouth the club and if that’s what you’re all about OK, just know I will be here to slam your BS with facts every time. Ok next


257 wby maybe you need to go and re-read it, I was saying that you can never know a ranch good enough, but you said that you learned one ranch in just one year. And after going back and re-reading your posts, you seam to have a lot of angur tards the club????
Is it because they took your favrit ranch, Look just because you pist off don’t meen you have to make stuff up. Grow up already.

(2000$ a year.)

the club has nothing that coast that much a year, How ever said this your not even close, if your going to make something up at less get your facts straight.



Mal is that WU hat you have on????

 

[boarhunter67]

So you're saying that some ranches like Cummings, Los Gatos, and Palm never had caretakers letting friends on when they didn't have reservations? When I said they only allowed a certain amount on each ranch, that was what the reservations were for. Next time you call and make a reservation, ask them how many people have reservations for that specific ranch. They will tell you. Often, three of us would make a reservations and they said there were 4 or 6 or however many people already booked and they could only take a reservation for two other people. We would get there and see a lot more people. Sometimes a couple of the other hunters would brag about coming every weekend w/o a reservation because they knew the caretaker. That's what I'm talking about. The properties are still and will always be better than private, but by the time you pay for the membership, yearly dues, add the upland fees, it adds up and you could easly go on a paid hunt and probably come out with more game. I was a member for five years and saw good and bad. Please don't say it's all roses, because it's not. And please don't say anyone who doesn't feel the way you do 1) has an ax to grind; and 2) doesn't know how to hunt as well or hard as you. That's where I take issue.

 

[257 wby]

Boarhunter 67 - Well said,

I think! As long as hunters do it ethically and within the game laws I have no problem with what anyone does. I know a lot of guys who hunt pigs with dogs. I have gone a couple of times, but it is just not for me. That does not make it wrong nor does it make the hunter a bad person. Just not my cup of tea.

I still think Oudoorplay's, " if it flies it dies " comment is out of line and is void of any deep thought. We are faced with so many anti's here that comments like that really bother me. You check out any hunting program on TV and rarely do they mention the work kill or die. They use words like cull or harvest. Even the pictures after the shot are cleaned up. I come from another country(Italy) and basically that is how the hunting is there. If it flies, it doesnt for very long. Not much flying over there now except flies and mosquitoes. I remember my grandfather telling me how they used to hunt down one mudhen until someone was able to harvest the damn coot. I believe it. I was back there last year and went hunting on a preserve with my uncles. We hunted a gamebird that looked like a partridge. It was an ok hunt, but I had more fun going on a boar hunt with a group of Italian professional hunters, now thats an oxymoron. They actually hunted pretty hard, but I was impressed with the double barrelled shotguns and automatics they had. There was one shotgun by Benelli and another by I believe it was Purdey that were unreal. The Purdey came to the hunting area in a wooden box with green velvet like cloth and was the cleanest gun I have ever seen.

257 wby

 

[shadow]

Hmmmmm, I'm in Texas and have been reading all these Cali WU threads for years and not one of em' that I have ever read has been good. Each one told stories of lies, deceat and rip off's. I have read many a post about getting bumped off or not available or getting to the spot just to find its no longer available etc...

Now just knowing what I know about WU from the reading here at JHO I wouldn't touch WU with a 10' pole.

If you want to get away from the public hunting slobs then you should really go lease some property with annual hunting privilages. Most of TEXAS is private lands that folks lease. It allows you to manage your herds to your needs, wants and desires. It allows you to come and go as you please. It allows you to do so much. I got off of public lands for my primary hunting years ago and it has worked out great. I do still hunt some pulic lands but NEVER during Rifle or gun deer season.

 

[bzzboyz]

Shadow, shadow, shadow.

Now lets not come into this discussion and go and make folks jeleous. All you'll do is....

I will say that some newer folks may need to read over the rules you agreed to whne you became a member. There is a section in there about critisizing people about their grammer and spelling.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>

Be Forgiving Of Other People's Mistakes

Everyone was a Norman New Guy/Gal once, so when someone makes a mistake, whether it's a spelling error , a stupid question or an unnecessarily long answer, be kind about it. If it's a minor error, you may not need to say anything. Even if you feel strongly about it, think twice before reacting. Having good manners yourself doesn't give you license to correct everyone else.

If you do decide to inform someone of a mistake, point it out politely, and preferably by private email rather than in public. Give people the benefit of the doubt; assume they just don't know any better. And never be arrogant or self-righteous about it.[/b]

 

[boarhunter67]

I never had a problem when I made a reservation of not being able to get on. The only problem I had was with caretakers letting other people on w/o reservations or with caretakers letting people use rifles on archery only ranches.
As for being overly critical, I apologize for correcting O's grammar. I guess I was just overly offended by him calling me a liar and saying I didn't know as much about hunting as he does. I think what comes around, goes around.

 

[boarhunter67]

Let me clear up the walking vs. driving comment while I'm at it. Just because a person drives in a bit before walking off road doesn't mean his butt is lazy. I know Outdoorsman said because I sometimes like to drive back to where I want to hunt before walking in a few miles means I'm not as good, smart, dedicated, or whatever he was implying as he is, but I don't see anything wrong with driving in to a starting place to start your hunt. This weekend my buddy rode his quad in for about 10 miles on an off-road road, then walked a couple miles and got a deer. When you hunt at Tejon, do you park at the gate and then walk from then on? The only problem I had with the WU properties in regards to roads was that on some of the ranches the roads are closed during deer season regardless of the weather or road conditions. It could be dry as dirt and the roads at some ranches will be closed during deer season leaving you with a 3-4 hour walk when you could drive there in 20 minutes. It just didn't make sense, but at least that part was the same for everyone.

 

[257 wby]

YES!!! We in Ca. are envious of you hunters in Texas.

I have never hunted there but everyone I know of that has tells me it is unreal. I wish we had more landowners in Ca. who would take a page from Texas landowners and realize that hunters and the fees we pay to hunt would benefit not only the landowners pocket book, but also benefit the game we hunt.

We have too many tree hugger's in Ca especially here in the Monterey-Santa Cruz area. A couple of years ago a biker hit a group of pigs that crossed HIWAY 1 just past Carmel. More was said in the papers about the poor pigs that were killed that the biker who was in serious condition after the accident.


257 wby

 

[outdoorplay]

Ok I am tired of your BS,

so now I am going to go back and read the whole post and I will point out ever lie that the you have said, and sorry the fact are facts and I am sure that the club did not make a exception just for you and gave you information that they will not give anyone, that is how I know when you are, lets just say stretching it. (Every one ells calls it Lieing)

boarhunter67, Aug 29 2005, 06:49 AM you said” can’t even get on a ranch. (Not knowing the ranches and all the info, if you were calling last min. for just one ranch/ a popular ranch, ya you are probably right you could not get on that one RANCH. but there are a lot of good ranches and if you’re looking to only go to ONE Ranch? Yes the club is not for you! Go buy a privet ranch for your self and you can go all you like.

Your next one same post, “I also spoke to several long time members who never have trouble getting on anytime they want even if the quota for the ranch is full. It seems it helps to know people.”

BS, this is a lie for the fact that you can NEVER KNOW when a ranch is full, just can’t happen, impossible. You can try and justify it but the facts are the facts. just becase you gested wrong, sorry still lieing
boarhunter67Aug 29 2005, 01:10 PM your post, “they would shut down the roads of most of the ranches I went to. But they wouldn't let 4x4's, quads, or anything in, just foot traffic. This made it very difficult to hunt since you could only travel so far in the snow or mud on foot.”
Ya they shut down all Deer ranches 2 months before the season, way because every one ells is out scouting, and pushing the deer around and when they find a WU ranch with water/food/and ZERO PRESSER. They have no reason to leave.
The club allows 4X4 on all but 2 ranches, they do not allow QUADS At all.
boarhunter67Aug 31 2005, 06:46 AM, you said, “I seem to remember the ranches I went to were always closed on Tuesday afternoon through Friday morning.” Ya I can count on one hand how many ranches that have that rule and if you don’t like it, you should go to another ranch, (sorry I forgot you were looking for your own privet ranch, My bad)

boarhunter67 Sep 2 2005, 01:24 PM You said, “The drawing was BS. I knew people who would get on ranches every weekend, full or not, because they knew someone. Haven't you ever been smart enough to look around and notice that the ranch says it allows 6 hunters and there are 8 people? I often saw more hunters than a ranch was supposed to have and the people who were extra always knew the caretaker.”
Ok you have said this already,

I know it is hard to keep your stories straight. But once again the club will never! and has never given out this kind of information! So One more time you are full of BS.

On the same posted you say “Now, for whatever reason, they are poor to fair.
Everyone I have spoken to from WU who have been members for a long time have said this. The ranches aren't what they used to be.”
Every ranch has good years and bad years that is way we call it HUNTING, NOT SHOTTING. That is way you have to get to know all the ranches not Just one or two.

Same post you say, Many people hunt hard and don't get jack. For you to suggest that if someone doesn't get a pig in one weekend is ignorant, insulting, and arrogant.”
I can’t say I said that, maybe you just took it personal. I do remember saying, I scout a lot of ranches and if I go Pig hunting, I get a pig in a weekend, ha I do because I do my home work, there is a reason 90% of the game is only taken buy 10% of the hunters. Enough said about that.

Same posted, “How the heck do you know jack about the way I've hunted?”
I don’t, Nor did I say, I know how you hunted. I said, I can under stand how you hunt. I don’t understand way you are getting so offended,

did I hit a nerve or are you just trying to recover from getting cot in a lie? Once again???

Here you are at your best moment, “Lastly, learn your homophones, "you're/your, their/there/they're, buy/by, whole/hole," and you'll sound a lot more intelligent.”
Well you really hurt my fillings, NOT. But to let the truth be know. I have an IQ of 176. I am not an Einstein, but Look it up. You will find most people that have a higher IQ then average, have a learning disability.

boarhunter67 Sep 6 2005, 06:38 AM you said, “Next time you call and make a reservation, ask them how many people have reservations for that specific ranch. They will tell you.”
Ya and how do you know that one reservations is one person. If that is what you think well you are wrong. Some have Pluses and some have older dependent kids…. Just because there is, lest just say 6 res. Does not mean that there are 6 hunters there can be 12 who knows???? Because the club will NEVER GIVE OUT THAT INFORMATION!!!!!!

Same post, “The properties are still and will always be better than private”
OK so way do you hate the club some much??? did I slip into anther post?

This is not a one time hunt club this is a “privet Family/hunting/fishing/camping Club.” I have never said that this is a 100% kill club. I did say. I have grate success on it, but I do know people in the club that might get a deer once every 5 years and then there are guys in the club that get a deer every year.

This club is not for every one. The person that the club is for, will only know that when they GET ALL The information for them self’s, for you to tell every one that the clubs sucks and you are just wasting your money and that you can NEVER get on, is wrong and a Lie.
Ya, it was not good for you, but you are trying to influence others into your way of thinking. “The club is a peace of sh!^” and in your own words and it is not. It is a better place then publics and if you do your home work you have a better chance at getting a big game animal. That it.
boarhunter67 Sep 6 2005, 09:28 AM you said “I never had a problem when I made a reservation of not being able to get on.”
Ok, know I am confused, first you say you can never get on a ranch and now you have no problem????

I'll call

I am sure every one would just like to here you say, ok I was upset and I stretched it, and I am sorry for stretching it (also know as lieing)

Same post, “The only problem I had was with caretakers letting other people on w/o reservations or with caretakers letting people use rifles on archery only ranches.”
I am going to leave this one alone. If I beet this horse any more I think it might die. But on the one of “caretakers letting people use rifles on archery only ranches”, once again how in the heck are you??? you have no idea way they were shotting the squirrels or what ever. Just remember this, WU leases thier ranches for land owner, the land owners may have thier own set of rules on top of WU’s rules. Don’t put blame on the wrong hand. it just makes you look more like a

Some post, “As for being overly critical, I apologize for correcting O's grammar. I guess I was just overly offended by him calling me a liar and saying I didn't know as much about hunting as he does. I think what comes around, goes around.”
I asepet your apology,
And if you lie about the club I will call you on it every time! I think I have made more then my point her.

but I will make it some more.
Sep 6 2005, 09:42 AM you said, “Just because a person drives in a bit before walking off road doesn't mean his butt is lazy.”
You are write this does not make you lazy, and if you would have said this the fist time, I would not have slammed you on it.
Same post, “I'm not as good, smart, dedicated, or whatever he was implying as he is.”
I never said I am any of this, I just said I under stand you…….(you implied all of that on your onwn).
Same Post, “The only problem I had with the WU properties in regards to roads was that on some of the ranches the roads are closed during deer season regardless of the weather or road conditions. It could be dry as dirt and the roads at some ranches will be closed during deer season leaving you with a 3-4 hour walk when you could drive there in 20 minutes. It just didn't make sense.”
Once again this is not a WU rule it is a land owners Rule. So now I hope it make more sense to you. and we don't have to lisson to you

any more.

257wby, I will slam you in a few. I have to get some work done then I will pick your lame but apart to.