Arrow Penetration on Boars

[billrob]

I saw a show with unlce ted shooting a boar with a 45# bow.
He hit it broadside too!
I was reading that you shouldn't use less than a 60# and the sheild is unpenetrable.
I shoot a 50/60# tuned in at about 53# for eveything and it seems to work well.
Anybody out there have any horror stories about hogs and bows.
I also heard that quartering shots are the ticket.
I don't want to wound one and have it slowly and painfully die somewhere in the brush.

 

[oneshothunter]

rob im pullin 65 lb @305 fps 100 grn thunderheads and todate have never had any game run off hogs you need to aim lower then deer rams elk .. heart is very low

 

[brut]

Dad shoot 53lbs and has never had a problem on a hogg. Shot placement and dont hit the shoulder. As also said shoot the lower 3rd there is nothing but cartledge higher up

 

[billrob]

Thanks Guys,
I'm very comfortable with the 53# setting at any angle or shooting position. I shot a 45# in my youth and i'm not that macho so I bought a 50/60# instead of a 60/70. I'll be careful to aim low for that heart area. Isaw a post where someone gutted one and showed how that area is kind of hidden under or bheind the leg on a broadside shot. I'm hoping to get a chance to tuck one in low right behind the leg just under the front shoulder area.
I'm going up to work in Bakersfield tomorrow and should be done around noon which will give me enough time to get over to Los Padres or Carrizo to scout before dark.
I'm going with bow and muzzle loader.
I will carry the bow while scouting for signs and glassing.
It's supposed to rain off an on too.
I threw the sleeping bag and cooler in the cherokee with my bag of hunting clothes and some junk (come along, slings, tire cables for snow work on mud too). Should be a great time. It's not the best time of year but I have to take it were I can get it.

Thanks Again,

 

[EvBouret]

Ive killed a bunch of pigs with my bow set at 55lbs. Ive never had a problem with penetration on hogs. I havent gotten a really huge one with my bow yet though. Nic Barca shot a 45lb compound and killed dozens of goats and tons of pigs with it. Just dont hit anything in the shoulderblade.

 

[billrob]

Thanks Ev,
I'll only punch soulder blades with my 7mm Rem Mag or .50cal muzzle loader and 160 or 175 grain barnes tsx or 245 or 280 grain spitfire MZ's
They should bust right through.
I'm more careful with the bow and don't shoot over 40 yards unless it's a 3D.

 

[500+grns]

It's not the weight of the bow,as much as the weight of the arrow and a strong cut on contact broadhead.(2-blade)
Wild hogs are the fastest animals on earth (0 to 50 meters)and I've never seen an animal jump a string faster even at 20 yrds. or closer.
Bad hits are common in bow hunting hogs and the heavier the arrow, the more damage and penetration is done at the point of contact.The energy is greatly reduced at this point and the weight of the arrow is the only thing you can count on to carry the broadhead foward.
I've shot alot of hogs and have had problems with light arrows no matter how fast it's traveling the penetration wasn't there.
My hog set-up is 80# with a 555 grn. arrow.I shoot the weight because I'm comfortable with it and shoot it accurately.(No more problems with the big ones)500+grns.is the ticket.

 

[Rancho Loco]

cue the enjuneer..

 

[Rancho Loco]

his slide rule must be frozen this morning.

 

[SDHNTR]

Stick with relatively close shots, use a cut on contact (preferably 2 blade) broadhead, get your arrow weight up there and you should be fine. Only shoot at broadside animals and wait for the quartering away shot on any big boar.

 

[Rancho Loco]

c'mon BC...I gotta go to work.

BTW, I'll be at 3000 Portola Rd. later today..

 

[Backcountry]

My two cents... it's not only the draw weight of the bow that should concern you... it's kinetic energy of the arrow in-flight (and momentum). Draw weight is proportional to KE, but it IS NOT a 1:1 relationship. Different bows have different efficiencies... an older bow, or a bow badly out of time/tune, or a recurve or longbow, can/will grossly underperform in terms of efficiency when compared to a modern compound that is in tune.

A modern compound with a 50 pound draw weight and matched arrow can achieve near 60 foot-pounds of kinetic energy... whereas a crappy, old, out of tune 75 pound compound might only achieve 45 foot-pounds of KE (and it will also make A LOT of noise).

So, just because a bow's draw weight is whatever, doesn't mean that's the end of the story... virtually all modern compound bows from the well-known manufacturers generate plenty of kinetic energy with a 60 pound draw weight bow to kill whatever you want. If you're a big guy, strong, and a good shot, and if your form is not handicapped by shooting a heavier draw weight bow of 70 pounds (or even 80 pounds!), then go for it and shoot a heavier draw weight and heavier arrow combination. Those will perform better on marginal shots than a lighter combination.

Your bow set at 53# should perform fine... as long you as make a good shot and have arrows that are matched to the bow and the bow is in tune. I'm going to just guess that your combination is probably putting out about 47 foot-pounds of kinetic energy... care to tell us what bow you are using, how much your arrow weighs, and how fast it flies? With your combination, if you are debating speed vs. weight, go with weight... speed is overrated and you will need all the kinetic energy you can get to penetrate the shield on a marginal shot.

Good luck on your pig hunt...

Backcountry

p.s. See this thread I started on efficiency, which links to a very interesting discussion on the subject in another forum.

http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/index....howtopic=133743

 

[tradman]

Shot placement trumps all else. You've got more than enough bow to do the job, just put the arrow in the right place.

 

[hogwild757]

My wife shot a pig set at 46lbs on her Darton using a 100gr 2bld Magnus stinger 20 yd shot pass through. Those Magnus stingers are cut on contact sharp. A sharp Broadhead and good shot placement. Espeacially someone that can shoot it straight helps.

 

[500+grns]

53# Try an easton 2117 W/ a 125 Magnus.Plenty of horse power

 

[billrob]

Well my Bakersfield trip has been put off until Monday.

I am shooting a Mathews Switchback 271/2" draw 50/60 set at 53#
using a Trophy Ridge Matrix sight with Blackhawk vapor 3000's rated 45/60 and 125 grain Grim Reaper 3 blade mechanicals for deer and also Gold Tip Hunter 3555's with 125 grain 3 blade spitfire mechanicals for turkey.
I practice with it all the time and feel anything 30yds and under is dead and I'm confident out to 40 yds on thin skinned stuff like deer.
I have been looking at picking up a some Gold Tip Pro Hunters in 55/75
and can't decide on which fixed blade broadhead to get.
The Razor Cap looks good but its a 3 blade.
The magnus snuffer ss looks pretty good too but its a 3 blade.
The only 2 blade I've seen is the magnus stinger which also looks good.
The 3 blade seems like it is more aerodynamic but everyone says the 2 blades penetrate better.
I can crank it up but at 53# I can pull it out every so often and fire away with no problems.

 

[SacFireJT]

You can have a 500 grain arrow, but shot placement is the key. Here is a picture of a hog that we took at Chopper's that had a broadhead stuck in its shoulder. The wound had completly healed! If my memory serves me right, a traditional archer harvested this hog.

 

[el_vaquero]

Gotta hog and a free broadhead....can't complain about that

 

[billrob]

Wow! their as tuff as they say. thats a lot of fat for a wild animal.
Right now I'm shooting about 355 to 357 grains with the broadhead included.
With 55/70's I would be at about 375 or so which means I would have to crank up the poundage to prevent serious drop in trajectory.

I Guess what I have will get the job done if I do my part and the hog gives me a nice pose.
Thanks all

 

[kingwouldbe]

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It's not the weight of the bow,as much as the weight of the arrow and a strong cut on contact broadhead.(2-blade)
Wild hogs are the fastest animals on earth (0 to 50 meters)and I've never seen an animal jump a string faster even at 20 yrds. or closer.
Bad hits are common in bow hunting hogs and the heavier the arrow, the more damage and penetration is done at the point of contact.The energy is greatly reduced at this point and the weight of the arrow is the only thing you can count on to carry the broadhead foward.
I've shot alot of hogs and have had problems with light arrows no matter how fast it's traveling the penetration wasn't there.
My hog set-up is 80# with a 555 grn. arrow.I shoot the weight because I'm comfortable with it and shoot it accurately.(No more problems with the big ones)500+grns.is the ticket.[/b]

Not all hogs are created equal.

There are 3 kinds of hogs out there.

Hog #1 is 150lbs boar or less and he is really easy to kill, almost any decent arrow bow combo will work, the armor is only about one inch thick and not real tough yet.

Hog #2 is around 200- 250lbs boar, he's about 2-4 years old, his armor is now getting thick and he fights a lot to try and get a chance to do some breading, but he first has to beat the dominant breading boar to get a chance to get any, as he fights on a daily bases, he gets more and more scar tissue, he's getting vary thick now and is a lot tougher to kill and you must use a good to vary good bow arrow combo or all you'll do is hit him and loose him, he can take a lot of punishment.

Hog #3 is at the top of his world, he is 300-400lbs, he's 5+ years old, he does most of the breading and has been in hundreds of fights, his scars have scars, he reeks with testosterone, his armor is 3+ inches thick, he can take a tone of punishment and never loose a step, this hog will test the best of equipment and still keep going, most of the time some one who hits a hog of this caliber they never find it because there arrow never got into the vitals.

Remember a 300-400lb boar can have 1/2 to an inch of dry-ed mud caked on his sides, plus 3 inches of vary hard to cut through cartilage armor, plus hair, fat and muscle, you might need 4-5 inches of penetration just to get to the ribs. your broad head could already be dull from the mud caked on his side and your not even into the vitals yet.

The strength of a boar this size is amazing, he is pure power and attitude, nothing to take lightly.

Don Smith who ran all of the bow hunts at Tajon ranch would not allow expandable broad heads because there was to many lost hogs with them.

Post #17 is a perfect example of some one hitting a hog and not getting into the vitals.


500+grn, you said it man, mass in motion has a tendency to stay in motion.