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Let's go back to the Triple nipple.....I think I got movement when I read that.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (spectr17 @ Jan 5 2009, 08:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
If Jesse's post was directed at me in anyway then I want to apologize for being "flippant or rude", the code words will no longer be posted here in the forums. Please from now on don't email Jesse and just send me a quick message instead- if my posts come off unfriendly. I don't wish to hurt anyone's feelings.
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That's awesome of you to offer and help Brent get his first pig. Look forward to reading the story.
If Jesse's post was directed at me in anyway then I want to apologize for being "flippant or rude", the code words will no longer be posted here in the forums. Please from now on don't email Jesse and just send me a quick message instead- if my posts come off unfriendly. I don't wish to hurt anyone's feelings.
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That's awesome of you to offer and help Brent get his first pig. Look forward to reading the story.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Live2hunt @ Jan 5 2009, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I don't have anything to trade except some indian beads and feathers but I am wanting to know how one can tell which direction the pigs go after the rooting.
I don't have anything to trade except some indian beads and feathers but I am wanting to know how one can tell which direction the pigs go after the rooting.
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I think code words definitely have their legitimate place when keeping a specific spot/area secret among acquaintances. Code talk in a group discssion can easily be overdone however -- when folks start to ask publicly what the code words mean, I think that is about the time to back off the code talk and just say it is a term for a secret place and then leave it at that.
My buddies and I have always used code talk (neckbone canyon, the donut curve, gravy lakes, etc.) which are usually derived from something unique we found in a area and we do not want everyone to know the exact location. However, I will usually report the general area if someone asks me. For example, "the donut curve" is a a curve on a dirt road alongside West kaiser Wilderness. It is just a landmark code that Fresno Hunter and I started using after pulling into a turnout with a great view of a bowl below -- someone had left a full box of Dunkin' Donuts there, and therefore the code name. Nothing great about the spot, it just happened to be about the half-way point of a 7 mile dirt road and made a great reference point. If someone had asked me where the spot was, I would respond West Kaiser.
I think most of us on JHO can tell when code talk is being used and we are fine with it; but it becomes obvious when someone asks for specifics that they are unaware that it is actually code talk, and then they deserve a direct reponse. I suppose any problems could be avoided by just stating in the post that the poster is citing a location with a special name just made up to keep it secret, for example: "The place Fresno Hunter and I call the Donut Curve."
My buddies and I have always used code talk (neckbone canyon, the donut curve, gravy lakes, etc.) which are usually derived from something unique we found in a area and we do not want everyone to know the exact location. However, I will usually report the general area if someone asks me. For example, "the donut curve" is a a curve on a dirt road alongside West kaiser Wilderness. It is just a landmark code that Fresno Hunter and I started using after pulling into a turnout with a great view of a bowl below -- someone had left a full box of Dunkin' Donuts there, and therefore the code name. Nothing great about the spot, it just happened to be about the half-way point of a 7 mile dirt road and made a great reference point. If someone had asked me where the spot was, I would respond West Kaiser.
I think most of us on JHO can tell when code talk is being used and we are fine with it; but it becomes obvious when someone asks for specifics that they are unaware that it is actually code talk, and then they deserve a direct reponse. I suppose any problems could be avoided by just stating in the post that the poster is citing a location with a special name just made up to keep it secret, for example: "The place Fresno Hunter and I call the Donut Curve."
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huntingbret @ Jan 5 2009, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I'm not trying to be rude here either, just wanted to comment on this statement.
The better you get at hunting the more lucky you become. You can be lucky once and that's it. But if you know what to look for, how to look for it, and what to do, then you'll find you get lucky more often. If you don't know what to look for, how to look for it, then you're basically just wondering hoping for something. But if you do know what to look for you can use it to guide your hunt and maximize your chance (luck?) to bag what you're after.
I'm not trying to be rude here either, just wanted to comment on this statement.
The better you get at hunting the more lucky you become. You can be lucky once and that's it. But if you know what to look for, how to look for it, and what to do, then you'll find you get lucky more often. If you don't know what to look for, how to look for it, then you're basically just wondering hoping for something. But if you do know what to look for you can use it to guide your hunt and maximize your chance (luck?) to bag what you're after.
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Me too!!! Alright L2H, you put it out there, now fess up. I also want to learn how to know which way the herd of pigs go after they have rooted up a bowl, so just give it up for free here why don't you. I also have some beads to trade if necessary -- they are Mardi Gras beads that my son orders as a supply, but they really shine!
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Thanks jackrabbit. You've been a big help so far and those places that you pointed me too all have signs but again, finding the pig is just another story. I'm sure one day I'll run into them just like Eric (CAhntr) did.
Mikensoco....I do archery hunt as well. As a matter of fact, I was up at upper cottonwood during archery season for the deer and ran into a pig instead. I just couldn't get a shot off. Now for coming up to Sonoma....I don't think it'll be worth a drive. I've read too many signs and no pigs on here and other forums. Thanks but not this time.
Anyways, I better not say anything else. It's more boot burning rubber and exercising for me. I'll be going back to Pine Flat for an evening hunt. Looks like it'll be a good day today.
By the way, I'm not a newbie to hunting. Been doing it for 15 years. I just recently took a lot of interest in pig hunting. I've been hunting with my brother in law for the past three years for pigs and he's always the one shooting them. I wasn't able to keep up with his pace that's why he's always having all the luck. Now that I'm hunting on my own, I'm just hoping I have as much luck as he does.
I better not start anything else. Ta-ta!
Mikensoco....I do archery hunt as well. As a matter of fact, I was up at upper cottonwood during archery season for the deer and ran into a pig instead. I just couldn't get a shot off. Now for coming up to Sonoma....I don't think it'll be worth a drive. I've read too many signs and no pigs on here and other forums. Thanks but not this time.
Anyways, I better not say anything else. It's more boot burning rubber and exercising for me. I'll be going back to Pine Flat for an evening hunt. Looks like it'll be a good day today.
By the way, I'm not a newbie to hunting. Been doing it for 15 years. I just recently took a lot of interest in pig hunting. I've been hunting with my brother in law for the past three years for pigs and he's always the one shooting them. I wasn't able to keep up with his pace that's why he's always having all the luck. Now that I'm hunting on my own, I'm just hoping I have as much luck as he does.
I better not start anything else. Ta-ta!
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I'm not trying to be rude here either, just wanted to comment on this statement.
The better you get at hunting the more lucky you become. You can be lucky once and that's it. But if you know what to look for, how to look for it, and what to do, then you'll find you get lucky more often. If you don't know what to look for, how to look for it, then you're basically just wondering hoping for something. But if you do know what to look for you can use it to guide your hunt and maximize your chance (luck?) to bag what you're after.
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At FHL if you find water,food,shelter,your luck will go up on harvesting game.(luck?)excuse on hiding where you bag your game!!
Talking about luck.Got a call from L2H from his secret spot. they shot two pig and they are on there way back.
I'm not trying to be rude here either, just wanted to comment on this statement.
The better you get at hunting the more lucky you become. You can be lucky once and that's it. But if you know what to look for, how to look for it, and what to do, then you'll find you get lucky more often. If you don't know what to look for, how to look for it, then you're basically just wondering hoping for something. But if you do know what to look for you can use it to guide your hunt and maximize your chance (luck?) to bag what you're after.
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At FHL if you find water,food,shelter,your luck will go up on harvesting game.(luck?)excuse on hiding where you bag your game!!
Talking about luck.Got a call from L2H from his secret spot. they shot two pig and they are on there way back.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lurediver @ Jan 6 2009, 09:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I don't have anything to trade except some indian beads and feathers but I am wanting to know how one can tell which direction the pigs go after the rooting.
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Lurediver, you put a good dog on the ground. He will start to make circles. They will get bigger until he or she finds the freshest track heading out. I use the same principle when I am tracking out of an area that has had recent activity. If you look in the middle it is too confusing. They may migrate out in different direction at first. Eventually they will line out in the same direction. It may take a large circle to figure it out. I am willing to share what I know, and I don't want anything in return.
I don't have anything to trade except some indian beads and feathers but I am wanting to know how one can tell which direction the pigs go after the rooting.
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Lurediver, you put a good dog on the ground. He will start to make circles. They will get bigger until he or she finds the freshest track heading out. I use the same principle when I am tracking out of an area that has had recent activity. If you look in the middle it is too confusing. They may migrate out in different direction at first. Eventually they will line out in the same direction. It may take a large circle to figure it out. I am willing to share what I know, and I don't want anything in return.
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I backed off of this one because it looked like maybe some fences were being mended... I'm Just gonna roll back in for a minute. Bear with me here... I'm angling, but not sure I'm on target.
First of all, AssShooter, you're not the only code-talker here. I've been talking about Kokopelli Valley for years, and I can guarantee that you won't find that place on any maps. Several people have asked, a couple have identified it, and others may be still wondering. I've told a few people exactly where it is, and chosen not to tell some others. Like many people, I tend to give places my own names, if for no other reason than I can't seem to remember what the maps call them... but also to shade their true identities from the "prying eyes".
We used to do the same thing with fishing spots when I was doing a lot of offshore fishing. You couldn't go on the radio to announce to a buddy that "hey, we're slaying the kings over here on WR-4!" If you did, there'd be a mad rush of boats coming over the horizon within minutes (I swear, some people must not have even put lines in the water until they heard about a good spot on the radio!). We'd use some pre-arranged code.
The charter captains often took it a step further, and actually radioed total misinformation... if they were hitting the fish on the 23mile ledge, they'd radio another skipper and let them know that the fish are hammering them at the Schoolhouse Wreck. Other boats listening to that transmission would then pick up lines and haul ass to the Schoolhouse. I've been fishing right alongside some of those guys and heard them radio about being in a spot ten miles away.. and then watched other boats in the neighborhood drag in their baits and take off! I've sat with the captains at the bars in the evenings as they laughed about it, and I have to confess to cracking a grin too. Yeah, it was mean... but I think we felt there was some justification to it as well. I mean, with all that ocean to fish, why would you pick up and run up on top of someone else just because they said they were on a hot spot? Find your own spot!
And I think that's how some folks look at it here on JHO. There are a lot of people here who are saying, "find your own spot!" I think part of the problem is in the way they're saying it. Maybe it is good and justifiable advice, but there's no need to be mean about it.
Maybe that's a good way to draw the distinction between keeping your "secret" spots secret, and being mean.
There's nothing wrong with using code names to keep a spot between friends. Whether you call it the "triple nipple" spot, or if you just reference "that spot where we found all the sign last weekend"... it's really the same thing. Folks who are not in the loop should recognize that there's a reason you're not being specific. It's nothing personal.
Some folks do start to take it personal though, when they ask about a spot and get hammered with smart-ass replies. Nobody likes to be the butt of the joke (well, except for LureDiver, who exhibits a certain tendency toward self-deprecation and masochism). Even if it's not meant to be mean, it's easy to misinterpret intent... particularly among strangers on the Internet. I think this is especially true for new folks, entering into a new community who have a certain level of insecurity to begin with.
It's not always easy to ask the questions in a place like this, because they shed a light on our inexperience. Nobody wants to admit their ignorance. It's like being a kid in a room full of grown-ups, and you already feel like the question is stupid as soon as you ask it. But now you have Uncle Joe over here laughing at you because you asked a simple question and you don't understand what's so funny. Neighbor Bill over there is pointing to the encyclopedia and saying, "look it up for yourself!" Your mom's wierd uncle takes your question off on a tangent that has nothing to do with what you asked about. A couple of your dad's friends are pretty much ignoring you, involved in their own conversation. Even your dad is standing there saying, "you'll understand when you're older and more experienced," which does nothing to resolve your dilemma and only makes you feel smaller.
At this point, a lot of folks will just clam up and leave. That does a disservice to the individual as well as to the community.
I guess that's sort of what ignited this whole thread... I think it's important for new folks to understand WHY they might get hammered for asking the questions, and for old-timers to consider their motives before they start hammering. Lord knows, I'm not saying NOT to ask questions, and I'm not telling anyone to check their sense of humor at the door. I don't want to tell anyone whether they may or may not share their honey holes over the Internet, but I do want to make sure new folks understand why some people think it's not a real good idea. A little knowledge can go a long way toward avoiding a gaffe, or at least allow you to proceed with full awareness of what you're in for. If you know the possible consequences, you can weigh them against the potential rewards and make an informed decision.
The JHO community has grown far too large for Jesse and the Moderators to make sure the Welcome Wagon is rolled out properly for every newbie to the site. There's no way the "Be Nice" patrol can head off every inappropriate response to a member's question, especially since the fine line between humor and meanness is often hard to make out. Some of the burden rests on the shoulders of you old-timers to at least be considerate in your responses to newbies... and at best, to help the newbies out. You don't have to give up your honey hole, but at least let them off the hook if they ask a "silly" question.
By the way, I think this entire thread has shown some of the best of this forum in the tone and nature of responses.
First of all, AssShooter, you're not the only code-talker here. I've been talking about Kokopelli Valley for years, and I can guarantee that you won't find that place on any maps. Several people have asked, a couple have identified it, and others may be still wondering. I've told a few people exactly where it is, and chosen not to tell some others. Like many people, I tend to give places my own names, if for no other reason than I can't seem to remember what the maps call them... but also to shade their true identities from the "prying eyes".
We used to do the same thing with fishing spots when I was doing a lot of offshore fishing. You couldn't go on the radio to announce to a buddy that "hey, we're slaying the kings over here on WR-4!" If you did, there'd be a mad rush of boats coming over the horizon within minutes (I swear, some people must not have even put lines in the water until they heard about a good spot on the radio!). We'd use some pre-arranged code.
The charter captains often took it a step further, and actually radioed total misinformation... if they were hitting the fish on the 23mile ledge, they'd radio another skipper and let them know that the fish are hammering them at the Schoolhouse Wreck. Other boats listening to that transmission would then pick up lines and haul ass to the Schoolhouse. I've been fishing right alongside some of those guys and heard them radio about being in a spot ten miles away.. and then watched other boats in the neighborhood drag in their baits and take off! I've sat with the captains at the bars in the evenings as they laughed about it, and I have to confess to cracking a grin too. Yeah, it was mean... but I think we felt there was some justification to it as well. I mean, with all that ocean to fish, why would you pick up and run up on top of someone else just because they said they were on a hot spot? Find your own spot!
And I think that's how some folks look at it here on JHO. There are a lot of people here who are saying, "find your own spot!" I think part of the problem is in the way they're saying it. Maybe it is good and justifiable advice, but there's no need to be mean about it.
Maybe that's a good way to draw the distinction between keeping your "secret" spots secret, and being mean.
There's nothing wrong with using code names to keep a spot between friends. Whether you call it the "triple nipple" spot, or if you just reference "that spot where we found all the sign last weekend"... it's really the same thing. Folks who are not in the loop should recognize that there's a reason you're not being specific. It's nothing personal.
Some folks do start to take it personal though, when they ask about a spot and get hammered with smart-ass replies. Nobody likes to be the butt of the joke (well, except for LureDiver, who exhibits a certain tendency toward self-deprecation and masochism). Even if it's not meant to be mean, it's easy to misinterpret intent... particularly among strangers on the Internet. I think this is especially true for new folks, entering into a new community who have a certain level of insecurity to begin with.
It's not always easy to ask the questions in a place like this, because they shed a light on our inexperience. Nobody wants to admit their ignorance. It's like being a kid in a room full of grown-ups, and you already feel like the question is stupid as soon as you ask it. But now you have Uncle Joe over here laughing at you because you asked a simple question and you don't understand what's so funny. Neighbor Bill over there is pointing to the encyclopedia and saying, "look it up for yourself!" Your mom's wierd uncle takes your question off on a tangent that has nothing to do with what you asked about. A couple of your dad's friends are pretty much ignoring you, involved in their own conversation. Even your dad is standing there saying, "you'll understand when you're older and more experienced," which does nothing to resolve your dilemma and only makes you feel smaller.
At this point, a lot of folks will just clam up and leave. That does a disservice to the individual as well as to the community.
I guess that's sort of what ignited this whole thread... I think it's important for new folks to understand WHY they might get hammered for asking the questions, and for old-timers to consider their motives before they start hammering. Lord knows, I'm not saying NOT to ask questions, and I'm not telling anyone to check their sense of humor at the door. I don't want to tell anyone whether they may or may not share their honey holes over the Internet, but I do want to make sure new folks understand why some people think it's not a real good idea. A little knowledge can go a long way toward avoiding a gaffe, or at least allow you to proceed with full awareness of what you're in for. If you know the possible consequences, you can weigh them against the potential rewards and make an informed decision.
The JHO community has grown far too large for Jesse and the Moderators to make sure the Welcome Wagon is rolled out properly for every newbie to the site. There's no way the "Be Nice" patrol can head off every inappropriate response to a member's question, especially since the fine line between humor and meanness is often hard to make out. Some of the burden rests on the shoulders of you old-timers to at least be considerate in your responses to newbies... and at best, to help the newbies out. You don't have to give up your honey hole, but at least let them off the hook if they ask a "silly" question.
By the way, I think this entire thread has shown some of the best of this forum in the tone and nature of responses.
Thanks to ALL on this one, it's why I joined after 6 years. Some constructive diolog. And a chance for someone with no family to share what I have learned over the years and LEARN. I'm 54 and learn all the time.I learned a long time ago that one must make ones own luck.Bigworm gave it away, too!
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Alright, I'm going to have to break the news to ya'll...Arrowslinger is a bum....He shows up here in Oregon year after year trying to kill our animals, used to go after all the local "honies," now he's getting married (Man is his Oregon girl going to be devastated). Now, i already hear he has three trips planned to god's country this coming year...When's it going to stop?? Not only is he coming, he's dragging another buddy up...But don't worry, we have a little something special planned for him on this trip...I found just the right canyon for him
Someday, i will just have to get even!!!
Someday, i will just have to get even!!!<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Speckmisser @ Jan 6 2009, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Dang Speckmisser,
I know of a good doctor that may ease the pain. I am willing to offer up a JHO group hug too.
On a serious Note, Hunting Spots are hard to come by, as are fishing spots that yield a great return. Most of the experienced and successful anglers and Hunters I have known in my short time here on mother earth did not like to share their info, Bait, method, trolling vs mooching etc. I have a friend and former co-worker that hunts a lot more than I do. Heck he guides more times a year than I go hunting, I know where he hunts but I still ask him, where did you get that buck, hog etc. and I still get the same answer "in the hills".
I ask him out of fun for the past 17 years. He asks me and gets the same answer
but I am gonna have to throw in the Dill Pickle Canyon answer now. anyway, I don't think there is any harm in a stranger asking somebody where they get their animals, but likewise I don't think they should get offended when they aren't told.
Dang Speckmisser,
I know of a good doctor that may ease the pain. I am willing to offer up a JHO group hug too.
On a serious Note, Hunting Spots are hard to come by, as are fishing spots that yield a great return. Most of the experienced and successful anglers and Hunters I have known in my short time here on mother earth did not like to share their info, Bait, method, trolling vs mooching etc. I have a friend and former co-worker that hunts a lot more than I do. Heck he guides more times a year than I go hunting, I know where he hunts but I still ask him, where did you get that buck, hog etc. and I still get the same answer "in the hills".
I ask him out of fun for the past 17 years. He asks me and gets the same answer
L2H got a few of us talking only so he can sneak out to have the public place all to himself. haha. Any tip from L2H is worth the trade. He puts in more time on the field in a month than most of us put in a year.
XD, I also got the pictures via cell phone just a couple hours ago. Looks like he got himself a heavy load to carry.
XD, I also got the pictures via cell phone just a couple hours ago. Looks like he got himself a heavy load to carry.
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Use the code names all you want. There is nothing wrong with it and it is not rude. If someone looks all over the net for Triple Nipple or DP canyon they may find something but it's not going to be forested area. This is a public forum and while we shouldn't be rude we still have to be real in the way that we shouldn't keep from tell our story because we can't code talk for fear some might get their feelings hurt. Before you know it people won't even bother writing their stories because it's too much trouble. I remembered when I was new and asked people where they got there animals. I didn't know. They said, "Go high, or go low and put in the work. You'll find them.". It took 8 years to find a consistently productive deer spot up high, but I did. I learned a lot along the way. And to those that think they can put their info on a public forum and don't have to worry about others. Well, my friend, that is rude and not very courteous of others. There is a big difference between telling a spot to help a new guy and putting it on a public forum. While you may have many some may only have one spot and now it has too much pressure. Yes, they aren't secrets but why put up billboards for millions who may not be as respectful to the land as yourself. Just a thought. Also, too those looking for spots,(not meant to be offensive) do the time and work and it will all start coming together. The more you do, the better you usually do. If an experienced successful hunter is offering to teach you, then why not. A little helpful advice may be the difference between tag soup and a freezer full of pork. Guy with no pork should listen to guy with lots of pork.
