California Elk drawings

[EL CAZADOR]

Senate Bill 1033, formerly the anterless deer mangagement bill, has been amended to modify the provisions relating to the take of elk and antelope by eliminating the requirement that the applicant also be a California resident. The new requirement would only be a holder of a valid California hunting license.

Although California isn't the hotbed of elk hunting, for those trophy hunters who want the last elusive species of elk (tule), California is the only place it get it.

There goes my chances again this year . . .

 

[TwoShot]

It would put more people in the draw, but I also think it's fair to include non-residents. After all, I hunt as a non-resident in a couple of states. And I think all hunters from all states need to work together to help support for hunting.

 

[DKScott]

Interesting when the shoe is on the other foot, isn't it?

 

[Cahunter]

gfo ahed and let them apply, just make sure they have to buy the licence and charge them at least 200$$ for it. Also the tags should cost them 2000$$ or more for sheep and elk. Lets see how lets see how people like too pay those prices just to hunt.

 

[eddiehsf]

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NO

They (NR) should have a chance at the tags. I hunt in alot of states as a NR, I just hope we treat them better than they treat me.


eddiehsf

 

[COHunter]

CA is horrible to Nonresidents IMO. First you have to buy a Hunting License just to apply, and if your not draw your stuck with it. At least CO refunds everything minus a $3 application fee.

But hey....thats they're (CA) choice and they should be allowed to set up they're own rules, just like every state should have that right. If Nonresidents dont like it, well dont apply there....right

C'mon S.339 !!!

 

[EL CAZADOR]

Originally posted by TwoShot@Apr 25 2005, 10:22 AM
It would put more people in the draw, but I also think it's fair to include non-residents. After all, I hunt as a non-resident in a couple of states. And I think all hunters from all states need to work together to help support for hunting.

Oh, please don't misunderstand me. I think this is THE RIGHT THING TO DO, it's just that my chances are lower this year.

 

[wmidbrook]

I think CA is definately taking a step in the right direction by opening it up to non-residents.

 

[RVRKNG]

I think it is fair to include non-residents. But they should have to pay like we pay when we hunt in other states.

 

[BDB]

Originally posted by COHunter@Apr 25 2005, 12:09 PM
CA is horrible to Nonresidents IMO. First you have to buy a Hunting License just to apply, and if your not draw your stuck with it. At least CO refunds everything minus a $3 application fee.

Nevada does also (as I understand it, I have never applied there)

I say open it up to non residents, even though that will lower my odds, it is IMO the right thing to do.

 

[YORT40]

I say open the tags up to everyone. But in the end, Calif will most likly be insulted for the lack of response from non-residents. What out-of-state elk hunter in his right mind, would put-in for a state wide total of 293 tags. Especially if the cost is going to be up there will other states which offer thousands of tags.

 

[eddiehsf]

Nevada and Oregon require you to buy a Lic. if you want to build points.

Utah and New Mexico are the best states to apply in for a NR, you only get charged app fees until you draw.

Colorado makes you Pay up front, but you will get your $$ back - $3 if you do not draw.

Arizona will make you pay up front this year, and make you buy a LIC just to put into the draw.

good luck to all

eddiehsf

 

[grtwythunter]

I'd guess that in all the the other state's residents have an average chance of actually drawing an elk or antelope tag in their lifetime. Look at Cali's amount of tags offered and odds for residents. Now throw the non resi's into the mix and there's going to be even fewer of us that get to hunt in our backyards.

YORT, there's plenty of guys looking for an elk "grand slam" that need a tule elk to do it and Cali's the only state that's got them. That's why private ranches get $10,000 for elk PLM tags. Working stiffs who want to do it would happily play the odds for a Cali elk tag.


My

Scott

 

[Timjackson]

Yort hit it right on the head... Other than a few people who live right on the Cali border, I doubt you will see the pickups jamming the road to get over there and hunt.. Dont get me wrong, there will be a few guys chomping at the bit to get a tule, but I doubt it will be enough to worry about.. First off, I feel sorry for any non-res who even tries to decifer those crazy ass gun and hunting laws out there. Second of all, most of us only get to take a couple (if that) of non-res hunts per year, and I can tell you that Cali is nowhere on my list. I assume it is the same with most people. Give me Colorado, NM, or UT any day...

 

[YORT40]

grtwythunter,
you are right, there is a group which will go for the "grand slam". But, in my humble opinion that type of hunter would not bother with the crappy calif. draw system. They are "sportsman" who will fork out the big bucks for all private hunting. (i.e.- Tajon Ranch)

 

[BOWUNTR]

Yort is right, most of the guys will pay for the PLM tags. But if the average guy is interested in the North American Elk slam or B&C slam, he will have to apply for the Ca Tule Elk tag. By the way, The elk on the Tejon Ranch are American Elk, not Tule Elk. Ed F

 

[superduty]

I've put a stalk on those elk many of time just to get a good look at how beautifull they are. As for the typ they are Rocky Mountain Elk.

 

[BOWUNTR]

Not that it matters, but P&Y dropped the name Rocky Mountain elk, because not all of these elk live in the Rocky Mountains. Their official name, B&C and P&Y, are American Elk. Don't have a clue what SCI calls them. By the way, Ca has the most unique opportunity in the country for elk. American, Roosevelt and Tule elk live in our state and if you are lucky or have the $ you can do the Ca Elk slam!!!! Ed F

 

[COHunter]

Dont think they wont come (Nonresidents).

We get over 95,000 Nonresidents (yes thats an official number) of them here to shoot a raghorn with a 15% success rate at $490.

CA has a very good success rate on an exotic Elk.

 

[tule elk]

Just curious why you called it an exotic elk? Just because of its rarity? Usually the term exotic refers to non-native. Just curious

Joe