rlewish

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Ok so here's the deal, my friend goes coyote hunting and will basically shoot any coyote he see's while he's hunting. In the city I understand there is a problem with the population, but up at Palomar Mountain on the state land, I see no reason why they should be shot. They aren't eaten, and they aren't killing peoples pets. I can't imagine how they would be doing any harm to any animal population either.

I don't agree with the whole kill something because it's taking animals from hunters, mostly because I consider myself a conservationist first, then a hunter. Unless the population of an animal is seriously at risk because of a predator, I see no reason to kill a predator you can't do anything with.

What are your opinions on this? I don't like arguing about it with my friend, because it just causes tension and leads to bigger arguments. I'd like your guys input.
 

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Have you considered the spread of the range of Coyotes across the country

Coyotes have spread their range, due to their adaptability to any situation or environment and the rapid advance of the urban sprawl. Where other predators (and wildlife in general) have died out to near extinction with the effects of the urban spread, with coyotes it has just led to a dispersion of the population, which is unnatural on it's own accord. In the case of the re-introduction of animals to an area, the government looks to make sure that the dropping of a new animal will not compete with a native species. With the expansion of the west coast urban sprawl, coyotes have just moved north and east and now compete with native animals in other states.

I view hunting Coyotes as a way to open up their natural habitat to pull some coyotes from having to go out for a night on the town for dinner. If we hunt the coyotes in the wild, we can hopefully keep them there and out of our backyards. I live in 2 miles of dense housing, from the Cleveland National Forest, and have had coyotes on my street at 5:30 in the morning, I say keep them natural by keeping them contained in their native wild habitat.

Just my widow's mite.:welcome sign:
 
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I'll make one comment, and leave the rest to others to respond to. Coyotes are so adaptable, that the numbers of hunters hunting them could be multiplied by 10, and then taken to that number hunting them on a daily basis, and it still wouldn't put much of a dent in their population.
 

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It's simple. Hunting is part of the overall population management.

This whole "I don't kill what I don't eat" mentality that people like to spout is nothing more than self righteous posturing. These folks wouldn't think twice about killing any pest that bothered them around there house but somehow hunters are held to a different standard? Don't get me wrong, wanton killing for killing sake is wrong on any level but responsible hunting doesn't require eating what is hunted.
 

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It's simple. Hunting is part of the overall population management.

This whole "I don't kill what I don't eat" mentality that people like to spout is nothing more than self righteous posturing. These folks wouldn't think twice about killing any pest that bothered them around there house but somehow hunters are held to a different standard? Don't get me wrong, wanton killing for killing sake is wrong on any level but responsible hunting doesn't require eating what is hunted.


I wasn't looking for an argument, saying I was against it, or complaining about it, I was asking whether hunting them makes a noticeable impact on the problem.

But while it's out there, it is something more than just a self righteous act, it's based on ones moral, so before you call something pointless, learn the reasoning behind it, which is exactly what I'm trying to do in this thread.
 

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I have no problem with people killing Coyotes. I live in West Covina and i have seen them and we do not live that close to the foothill. They come down the washes looking for food at night.

With out killing Coyotes or any predator there population will go up and the prey population will go down. Once there is no more prey for them they are going to move out of there natural habitat to the city where there is a lot of prey(pets). So do not get mad at your friend for killing them he is just controling the population.

Here is something to think about predator-prey interactions:

1. Density of the prey population.
2. Density of the predator population.
3. Characteristics if the prey including reactions predator, and nutritional condition.
4. Density and quality of alternate foods available to the predator
5. Characteristics of the predator, such as its means of attack and food preferences.
 

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I see a huge misconception going on here, so I'll add this; coyotes have moved into populated areas without their prey population numbers dropping; they readily grow their numbers and expand their territories as they are so proficient at adapting to new conditions, food ...
 

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Why don't you kill one and try the backstrap? You may be very surprised. Then you can pelt it out, euro mount it, stuff it, etc.
Coyote backstrap jerky is amazing. I also have eaten crows that I killed, along with jackrabbit and coots and pigeons.
I won't kill anymore crows, lol.
 

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So you really want to know;
whether hunting them makes a noticeable impact on the problem”
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Depending on the time of year I would say hunting coyotes in areas that have little to no hunting pressure would have a noticeable impact on their numbers. At other times of the year, or in high impact hunting areas coyotes become conditioned to the tactics humans use to hunt them. Then they become harder to trick using legal means, thus their numbers would be the same.
But hunting coyotes without killing them will conditioned them to stay away from areas they are not wanted in. They become conditioned to calls, dogs, and human scent, and tend to steer clear of areas where they experience warning signals like those. <o:p></o:p>
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Say a rancher or an area has a problem population with coyotes. When these coyotes are hunted hard they will steer clear of danger and concentrate on another area. But they don’t take long to forget, in as little as 3 weeks they go nocturnal and start running the same old established hunting trails.
 

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Thank you everybody. acousticmood, I got in an argument with my dad right before I posted that; I apologize for making little sense. Thank you for your input.
 

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Watch a coyote pull a calf's nose off it's face, or rip it's tail off, while it is coming out of a cow during the birthing process and you won't have such a nice opinion of not hunting them to extinction!

They can eat an entire clutch of quail in ten minutes and catch baby ducks at will.

They can easily catch newborn deer and elk.

Where I live, it is my passion and vocation to eliminate ALL coyotes from the face of the earth. I average about 50 a year and as near as I can tell, I haven't hurt the population whatsoever!

Same goes for those plague infested ground squirrels. We don't need them either.

And besides that, it is just another form of hunting.

Don't get too self righteous about the difference between deer hunting and varmnit hunting, being the fact that you eat what you kill. That is NOT an acceptable reason in todays world to kill anything. The antis' don't split the difference.....dead is dead.

You can choose to participate in your own particular bloodsport, but don't think you have any "moral ground", simply because you choose to eat what you kill.

It makes you look kind of hipocritical and foolish, really.......and pisses your friends off!
 

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