Feds to exterminate (alleged) San Diego Hogs Gone Wild LOL

[BADBuckfever]

Dang it, I also checked if that guy was an employee but found the name non-existent. Thanks for the heads up! I'll resend.

Mission accomplished! Re-sent above email.

 

[Marty]

Don't just ask for the maps. Ask for the study and the name of the group that authored the study. We need to know who and what they referenced to justify the conclusions.

 

[DirtAddict]

Just sent letter via my email. Thanks for the template.

 

[mtnsammy]

email sent to the eco fools. Camp Roberts was hunted til there are no pigs so we can do the same in CNF. And the pigs will keep coming back with the right managers.

 

[527varmint]

Unlikely they can eliminate all the pigs. The chapparel in CNF is so thick that even gunning from the air is not going to get them all. Once the funds run out they will bounce back. Not to mention many are on private land reproducing and will eventualy have offspring that will need to roam out for new territory. Seems obvious they just HATE HUNTERS. The hogs have made it all the way to lake elsinore and parts of OC from what I have read. Its already way too late to stop them. Since they won't start gunning till late this summer that should give some time for this years young to gain a foothold. Sucks though we are just a few years from having a nice population to hunt. Look at tejon ranch. In 15 years a few hundred pigs has turned into thousands and now brings in a healthy revenue.PIGS=REVENUE and in the economy every city and the DFG need it!

 

[Deleted member 33033]

After you send a letter you will receive a reply w/ an attachment showing the locations of these alleged pig haunts.

Bruce,
Thanks for the comments. All we have at the moment is a proposal to reduce feral pig impacts by using cage traps, corral traps, shooting from the air or the ground, and using dogs. Each of those activities would be used where most appropriate, given the location and the circumstances.

Public comments are welcome on the proposal until the end of June, at which time we will review all input that we have received and determine if there are other methods of reducing the pigs that we should analyze in addition to the one that we have proposed.

I have attached information, including maps, that discusses where pigs and pig sign have been noted in the past.

If you need further information or have more questions, feel free to contact me.

Best,

Pete
Peter C. Gomben, PhD
Environmental Coordinator, Cleveland National Forest
10845 Rancho Bernardo Road, Suite 200, San Diego, CA 92127
Phone: 858-674-2959; Fax: 858-673-6192; Email: pgomben@fs.fed.us

 

[ltdann]

Are they the standard maps? How about attaching them, I'd like to compare them to what I have. Probably the same ones. Gotta be careful, lots of private property in CNF and the standard pig maps they give out sometimes puts you into trespassing mode.

 

[BADBuckfever]

I dont know what has happened but I sent this email twice now (last night and today) and I never received a confirmation email. ??? Maybe the response has been overwhelming. Hope so.

Sounds like the objectionable groups are the State Parks (Cuyamaca???) & LAND OWNERS!!! Introduce a game animal and they head straight for private property. Never fails!

Why dont they simply give these property owners tags to let hunters shoot the pigs? It should be simple so there must be some idiot liberals involved screwing things up.

 

[bohunter3]

sent a letter too

 

[Deleted member 33033]

Can't attach the maps, it's a pdf and frankly, I don't want to. Might come in handy if ya know what I mean. Gotta keep the .223 AR15 tacticool nijas away. LOL

The author pooched the email addy, be sure you address your email to pgomben@fs.fed.us

 

[desert_s10]

ltdann
Are they the standard maps? How about attaching them, I'd like to compare them to what I have. Probably the same ones. Gotta be careful, lots of private property in CNF and the standard pig maps they give out sometimes puts you into trespassing mode.

Can't attach the maps, it's a pdf and frankly, I don't want to. Might come in handy if ya know what I mean. Gotta keep the .223 AR15 tacticool nijas away. LOL

The author pooched the email addy, be sure you address your email to pgomben@fs.fed.us

View attachment cnf_pig_hunting_info-2010-4-2.pdf

Probably hasn't been changed/updated since it's 1st release.

Gary

 

[ltdann]

yep, same ones. Careful around the Inaja memorial, the map is wrong. One of our members had trouble up there. Landowner call the sheriff and the warden accusing him of poaching. He had GPS and the maps and was able to prove it was an map error. Still it cost several hours of embarrassment.

 

[mezcan]

Been taking walks at various locations in CNF for two years looking for pigs. As of now I have yet to see one. I've seen tracks, scat and signs of rooting(old). Met a migrant worker while turkey hunting a few weeks back who saw a herd of porkers the night before . He brought about 15 friends with him that day to try to drive them out of the watershed I was set up in for turkey ! Only one of them had a rifle. So much for that turkey hunt . With so much possible carnitas at that location (and so many 'migrants'/aliens) the turkeys disappeared.... Feds should be sending Immigration and Customs Enforcement (I.C.E.) to CNF. They would get more bang for our bucks (tax dollars) than an insane pig eradication program.

Is this proposed program CNF only or do the other 56 counties in California get help to eradicate their non-native invasive species also ?

 

[ltdann]

CNF operation. Why its a big deal here and not the other 56 counties, I can only speculate. It really doesn't make sense to me.

 

[WoodGrain]

LtDann, your not the only one it doesn't make sense too. I can't figure it out either. Really the populations just starting in this area is the way I see it. I would like to see alot more reproduction.

WoodGrain

 

[mezcan]

Sounds "discriminatory" to me...... Any lawyers that hunt on this forum ? Good case for pro bono work?

 

[BADBuckfever]

Here's Dr. Gomben's response folks:

Thanks for your comments. Many commenters have suggested adjusting the cost of the pig tags, or even allowing more than one pig to be taken per tag, as possible solutions. Although the Forest Service does not have the authority to do such things because we manage the land, not the game species, I will forward those suggestions to the Department of Fish and Game.

Local land management agencies are involved in the larger issue of reducing feral pig impacts because of the damage that the pigs can do to natural resources. In addition to the Forest Service and the Bureau of Land Management, the California Departments of Fish and Game and State Parks, and local tribal representatives are also involved.

What we propose is very similar to what has been proposed by other land management agencies elsewhere, including national wildlife refuges in Oklahoma and Louisiana. After the end of the scoping period later this month, we will review all the input we have received on our proposal and determine if there are additional solutions we should analyze that might address the problem a bit better.

Best,

Pete


Peter C. Gomben, PhD
Environmental Coordinator, Cleveland National Forest
10845 Rancho Bernardo Road, Suite 200, San Diego, CA 92127
Phone: 858-674-2959; Fax: 858-673-6192; Email: pgomben@fs.fed.us

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"Through our eyes, the universe is perceiving itself. Through
our ears, the universe is listening to its harmonies. We
are the witnesses through which the universe becomes
conscious of its glory, of its magnificence."
--Stefan Pashov

Kinda a weird quote at the end of his response.

 

[Vermonster]

Here's Dr. Gomben's response folks:

Thanks for your comments. Many commenters have suggested adjusting the cost of the pig tags, or even allowing more than one pig to be taken per tag, as possible solutions. Although the Forest Service does not have the authority to do such things because we manage the land, not the game species, I will forward those suggestions to the Department of Fish and Game.

Local land management agencies are involved in the larger issue of reducing feral pig impacts because of the damage that the pigs can do to natural resources. In addition to the Forest Service and the Bureau of Land Management, the California Departments of Fish and Game and State Parks, and local tribal representatives are also involved.

What we propose is very similar to what has been proposed by other land management agencies elsewhere, including national wildlife refuges in Oklahoma and Louisiana. After the end of the scoping period later this month, we will review all the input we have received on our proposal and determine if there are additional solutions we should analyze that might address the problem a bit better.

Best,

Pete


Peter C. Gomben, PhD
Environmental Coordinator, Cleveland National Forest
10845 Rancho Bernardo Road, Suite 200, San Diego, CA 92127
Phone: 858-674-2959; Fax: 858-673-6192; Email: pgomben@fs.fed.us

************************************************************************
"Through our eyes, the universe is perceiving itself. Through
our ears, the universe is listening to its harmonies. We
are the witnesses through which the universe becomes
conscious of its glory, of its magnificence."
--Stefan Pashov

Kinda a weird quote at the end of his response.

See, that's not a bad reply, but it shows all the red tape that exists when dealing with it. Even if the Feds want to take them out, they are not the ones that control the price of the tags. And as far as I can tell, it's n ot the state F&G that has a problem, it's the feds.

So, they will just waste millions of our tax $$$$ on a "solution" that won't work, and we'll still have pigs in the end.

 

[DFG_Bear]

The DFG Commission sets the hunting regulations (bag and possession limits, tag costs, hours, methods of take, etc), not the Feds.

 

[Vermonster]

The DFG Commission sets the hunting regulations (bag and possession limits, tag costs, hours, methods of take, etc), not the Feds.

Well yeah, that's my point. A FEDERAL agency has stated that they want to eliminate pigs from FEDERAL land, and alot of guys on here bitching about what the STATE charges for pig tags.

That is a non-issue in this case. The state could give them away for FREE, and the feds would still try to take them off of their land.

Essentially, everyone is barking up the wrong tree. The number and cost of tags has ZERO to do with the low harvest rate of pigs here in the county. Even if we had 20 tags each to fill, we wouldn't get them all.