No kidding! I don't know when having poor people skills starting getting you a job, but a lot of these people are working for our state and federal agencies. It's can sure be a safe haven for those who would last one minute at a private job. It so hard to, because some of the time, I get GREAT service from these public employees, and the rest of the time, it is horrible. I guess it's just the luck of the draw in big places like the DMV. Unfortunately, FHL doesn't have a whole pool of window workers, so people have to deal with crappy service a lot of the time. That's too bad. I give kudos to Jesse for addressing the problem, and being will to do something about it. If we let these rude people slide, they can make a whole career out of treating people poorly.
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So I guess in their little pond, where they can pretend to be big shots, merely asking a question is considered rude so they have the right to be rude back! There's something called PROFESSIONALISM, and leaving your personal issues at home and taking pride in doing good work. This applies to government counter people too.
Hand you money and then suck it up? The customers started it? What are you friggin' kidding me?
Hand you money and then suck it up? The customers started it? What are you friggin' kidding me?
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why am i looking like a fool? look at the way you and everyone else are reacting. Now that's funny. I guess you just get mad when another side of the story is exposed.
by the way, why does everyone call you Jesse? shouldn't you be honest with your forum followers. you act like you are the high and mighty one but you hide behind a name, a website, and words. why don't you stop with the charade? in the four years you have been coming to the base, i believe you have logged in about 10 quail, 0 pigs, 0 deer, 0 turkey and 0 miscellaneous. it's amazing how much info you have to share with everyone, must be from stories you have heard.
by the way, why does everyone call you Jesse? shouldn't you be honest with your forum followers. you act like you are the high and mighty one but you hide behind a name, a website, and words. why don't you stop with the charade? in the four years you have been coming to the base, i believe you have logged in about 10 quail, 0 pigs, 0 deer, 0 turkey and 0 miscellaneous. it's amazing how much info you have to share with everyone, must be from stories you have heard.
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Hey John/Cindy, are you being very unprofessional? What are you doing, apparently using your job access to logs to attack somebody on a public forum? Can I show up and ask you to show me the logs of names of people who have scored game and in which locations they scored them? I would love to send your little comment above to your supervisors and to the feds, and to any other organization that is interested in keeping tax-payed employees accountable.
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It's a nickname I've had since I was a kid. My Dad's nickname is Frank so they called me Jesse. Our last name is James so you can see the reason. We are also from Missouri. People who know me, know my real name and I tell anyone who asks. Many folks I grew up with go by a nickname or middle name and not their given name. You need to get out more and see the real world.
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Check your logs back in the early 1980s, if you have logs on the units that trained there and were tactical in the field. I was part of a USAF special operations team that air dropped our zodiak boat and paratroopers into San Antonio Lake. We trained at FHL every summer. This was before your time when it was a pleasant experience for a hunter to check in as was poitned out by several other people here. The PRE-Cindy era.
I recently started hunting there again 4 years ago. No pigs yet, whacked a few quail. Been in on a few turkey kills but wasn't the trigger puller since I do a lot of calling now for other new hunters. In fact, my buddy that was with me at FHL was one who I called for last spring and brought a gobbler up to him but he didn't get a shot with his bow. The look on his face and thanks for seeing his first gobbler thundering away in person was all I needed for a rush on that trip. Shooting the turkey myself would have been anticlimatic. Judging a hunter by his kill sheet shows how lost you are and how foolish you look when you make mistaken assumptions. My killing phase in my hunting career was about 25 years ago. I shoot more pics now than animals as you'll see if you look at many of my posts here.
Sorry, your attempt to cloud this issue won't deter me from my new found crusade, it just gives me new motivation and it looks like your riling up the masses too. I really hate to keep you up late digging for dirt you won't find.
As Jackrabbit pointed out, you may want to rethink your posts before you dig your hole too deep to crawl out of. Misuse of government assetts can be a really big ouch. Add that to the hunter complaints and we now have 2 issues the commander can deal with. I find it ironic that you're hanging your own self. Pride goeth before the fall as they say. TIMBER!!!!!!!!!
Have another root beer.
It's a nickname I've had since I was a kid. My Dad's nickname is Frank so they called me Jesse. Our last name is James so you can see the reason. We are also from Missouri. People who know me, know my real name and I tell anyone who asks. Many folks I grew up with go by a nickname or middle name and not their given name. You need to get out more and see the real world.
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Check your logs back in the early 1980s, if you have logs on the units that trained there and were tactical in the field. I was part of a USAF special operations team that air dropped our zodiak boat and paratroopers into San Antonio Lake. We trained at FHL every summer. This was before your time when it was a pleasant experience for a hunter to check in as was poitned out by several other people here. The PRE-Cindy era.
I recently started hunting there again 4 years ago. No pigs yet, whacked a few quail. Been in on a few turkey kills but wasn't the trigger puller since I do a lot of calling now for other new hunters. In fact, my buddy that was with me at FHL was one who I called for last spring and brought a gobbler up to him but he didn't get a shot with his bow. The look on his face and thanks for seeing his first gobbler thundering away in person was all I needed for a rush on that trip. Shooting the turkey myself would have been anticlimatic. Judging a hunter by his kill sheet shows how lost you are and how foolish you look when you make mistaken assumptions. My killing phase in my hunting career was about 25 years ago. I shoot more pics now than animals as you'll see if you look at many of my posts here.
Sorry, your attempt to cloud this issue won't deter me from my new found crusade, it just gives me new motivation and it looks like your riling up the masses too. I really hate to keep you up late digging for dirt you won't find.
As Jackrabbit pointed out, you may want to rethink your posts before you dig your hole too deep to crawl out of. Misuse of government assetts can be a really big ouch. Add that to the hunter complaints and we now have 2 issues the commander can deal with. I find it ironic that you're hanging your own self. Pride goeth before the fall as they say. TIMBER!!!!!!!!!
Have another root beer.
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Maybe because that is the name he goes by?
Are you that hard up for a legitemate response that you have to resort to arguments like that?
Posting his hunting record- what iis the point in that? are you trying to say he isnt a "good enough" hunter to rate being treated in a professional manner?
Shoot, I treat the inmates at work with more respect than this Cindy gal appears to treat the hunters that give her her job.
Maybe because that is the name he goes by?
Are you that hard up for a legitemate response that you have to resort to arguments like that?
Posting his hunting record- what iis the point in that? are you trying to say he isnt a "good enough" hunter to rate being treated in a professional manner?
Shoot, I treat the inmates at work with more respect than this Cindy gal appears to treat the hunters that give her her job.
Hello cindi,
I hate to be the snitch, but what the heck. My dad is a personal friend of Lieutenant Colonel Philip E. Tullar and I just let him know about your post's. Seems that you have just violated Govt. policy with your last few post's.
I guess ya like ta wrassel after all!!!
Good luck in your new D.E. job
P.S. Ya never know who's watchin... do ya?.... gotcha!!!
I hate to be the snitch, but what the heck. My dad is a personal friend of Lieutenant Colonel Philip E. Tullar and I just let him know about your post's. Seems that you have just violated Govt. policy with your last few post's.
I guess ya like ta wrassel after all!!!
Good luck in your new D.E. job
P.S. Ya never know who's watchin... do ya?.... gotcha!!!
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way to go Wingman dude! Folks who have access to private, or even public, but not necessarily easily accessible information, should never use that info for personal fights. It was really a fatal mistake for, I guess "Cindi", to state that "in the four years you have been coming to the base", etc.; that made it clear that this was an inside person. I normally would not have gotten involved in this dispute, but as can be seen by my comments so far, I represent civil service employees. Can anybody tell me if the FHL window people are public empoyee civil service? or are they private sector employees of a contract/concession/vendor?
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Yes, I have no doubt the person is either Cindy or John from FHL or someone posting for them. I remember taking a couple yotes but the records may be off a tad.
A trace shows hubba's computer as 216.202.162.189 which traces to Newbury Park Ca. An Adelphia Cable customer with a static IP it appears. The trace has been logged for proof of what person and computer made the post. If anybody can verify the trace info please let me know, my Neotrace is on the fritz and that is from a public trace route site.
jackrabbit, feel free to send me any info on where to turn up the heat regarding watchdog agencies. I already know the FHL POCs and thanks to the very adroit wingman, we now have an open line to the good post commander.
Thanks for the help gentlemen.
A trace shows hubba's computer as 216.202.162.189 which traces to Newbury Park Ca. An Adelphia Cable customer with a static IP it appears. The trace has been logged for proof of what person and computer made the post. If anybody can verify the trace info please let me know, my Neotrace is on the fritz and that is from a public trace route site.
jackrabbit, feel free to send me any info on where to turn up the heat regarding watchdog agencies. I already know the FHL POCs and thanks to the very adroit wingman, we now have an open line to the good post commander.
Thanks for the help gentlemen.
Hey Jesse,
I know an owner of a communications co. and he said he could pinpoint the computer and the ISP with the 216.202.162.189 address. Thanks for the info. I need as much evidence as you can muster to put them away.
I know an owner of a communications co. and he said he could pinpoint the computer and the ISP with the 216.202.162.189 address. Thanks for the info. I need as much evidence as you can muster to put them away.
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Hello Rimrock,
I saved a file of this thread to add to the pile. We also maybe should start a petition to get names of people who want a change in the check in window service. I'm sure it will be more than the 8 people Cindy claims. Heck, from my last trip I could have gotten about 30 sigs at least without even trying. We did it at Cibola NWR when they cut the hunt days there. A handful of sig pages is hard to blow off.
We also need to get the word out to all the FHL hunters and fishermen to let them know they can speak out now without fear of retaliation from Cindy. Her posts here verify how nasty and vindictive she can be. I'd love to walk a picket in front of the check in window but I don't recall seeing any while in the military. Can anyone check on the feasiblity of doing this? Legality? JHP picket duty, whoa
If anybody else has any help or resources to offer please post up or email me if you want to remain anonymous. The ball is rolling now.
I saved a file of this thread to add to the pile. We also maybe should start a petition to get names of people who want a change in the check in window service. I'm sure it will be more than the 8 people Cindy claims. Heck, from my last trip I could have gotten about 30 sigs at least without even trying. We did it at Cibola NWR when they cut the hunt days there. A handful of sig pages is hard to blow off.
We also need to get the word out to all the FHL hunters and fishermen to let them know they can speak out now without fear of retaliation from Cindy. Her posts here verify how nasty and vindictive she can be. I'd love to walk a picket in front of the check in window but I don't recall seeing any while in the military. Can anyone check on the feasiblity of doing this? Legality? JHP picket duty, whoa
If anybody else has any help or resources to offer please post up or email me if you want to remain anonymous. The ball is rolling now.
Man, It's kinda weird when people get busted like that. Good job WINGMAN, at the next JHP gatering I owe ya a cold one. Well lets hope we see some action, I'd like to go check out the hunting at FHL. I guess my last post was kinda wrong, it's not the post comander thats gonna look petty, it's Cindy. Well I guess a better person could have handled it better.
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Now, why don't you answer Jesse's question and fess up to who you are????
Boy...digging into the old hunting logs trying to make Jesse look bad proves just how bad things are going on your end.
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Now, why don't you answer Jesse's question and fess up to who you are????
Boy...digging into the old hunting logs trying to make Jesse look bad proves just how bad things are going on your end.
Scott
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I don't want to interupt y'alls (probably justified) rant, but I've never been to FHL and am interested in going if the pig hunting is good. What are their rules and a contact (just don't tell me it's Cindy)?
I will also post this under it's own thread, as it shares some of my general FHL and public land hog hunting experiences....
Well.... There are some of us (the quiet types!) that don't post often (but still LOVE this site, and deem it the MOST informative and hunting fun California site). However, it does not mean that there are only 8 with complaints.....
I hate to be a nagging cry baby, but some of what was said here was experienced by me as well.
Cindy IS somewhat of a moody person. I've seen here on her good days, and on her not-so-good ones.... (or at least I thought!). On her good days, she is very pleasant, on her not so good ones,...... well, lets just say that I've had that window shut closed at my face too..... In general, and as a summary, I realized something! I realized that whenever I'm around that window (not necessarily her, but whomever who is there at the time), I find myself WALKING ON EGGSHELLS. And, that, is NOT RIGHT.
As a customer, I should NOT feel intimidated and walk on egg shells, in fear of someone errupting....
As for the previous post asking questions about FHL, well.... I have my take on it.....
I've hunted there for 5 years, but no longer go there. It is beautiful country, but the hunting is not as good as some people make it be (I'll explain in a minute). The NUMBER ONE reason I don't go there anymore, is the hassle of having to check-in.... check-out....register.... Can't enter an area (to start walking/hiking) earlier than an hour before sunrise, can't leave an area later than an hour after sunset (a REAL problem if you have gotten game at the last light....). Also, I don't care for the long lines, crowds, area assignments, and the hassle of changing them, etc.... Lets face it.... I go hunting to have fun, and get away from the everyday hussle.... At FHL, I find more of the same!
Now, the success rates..... If you get drawn for Elk, it is pretty much a sure bet. Quail and rabbits can be found in decent abundance as well. But, as far as deer and hogs go, IMO you are MUCH better off somewhere else. I know that someone might jump out and say "BUT YOU ALWAYS SEE A COUPLE OF HOGS TAKEN EVERY WEEKEND!". True.... you also have to consider the number of people who hunted there in an attempt to take a hog. The weekends that I've been there, LOTS of hunters, and a couple of hogs.... making the probability very close to public land elsewhere. I assure you, if 100 guys went in all directions on a nearby forest land, a couple of them WOULD score hogs. As for deer, at least in my experience, the same thing.... The openning day (which I only went ONCE!) is like a frik'n ZOO!!! HUNDREDS of hunters in line before the morning.... from my understanding, some go there couple of days early to stand in line (or so I was told).... Looks like the bread line in a communist country!!!! By midday of that openning morning, I believe there were 7 or 8 bucks taken.... NONE impressive, and all barely legal!!! In my opinion, one can do A LOT better on public land!!!
There are more reasons that I don't hunt there anymore. I can get rabbits and quail with sufficient abundance locally. I havn't hunted deer in a while, but see them (bucks and does) regularly on public lands, to where if I decided to start hunting them, I'd feel that I'd have a fairly decent chance at legal bucks. In general, I hunt a lot of upland and small game relatively locally. Sometimes I get them, sometimes I don't. It's always fun, with little driving, and NO CHECK-IN/OUT hassle, no vouchers needed, no annual pass needed, etc.
My biggest passion is Hog hunting.... I, too, have hiked probably hundreds of miles, and many many weekends all over public lands, and have put in my time. If you have a public land hot spot, more power to you. All my successful public land hog hunts (and there weren't many!) was a result of being at the right place, at the right time..... Lucky for me, VERY unlucky for the pig. However, in ALL cases, they were 'transients'.
The main reason that I started hunting FHL was because of it's suppozed 'good hog hunting'. That is just about the only reason that I started hunting there, as I could get everything else, everywhere else, without the hassles or attitudes. But that is WAY over-rated, and simply NOT ture. I hunt all my other game on public land, away from the crowds, etc, and of course, I take slugs or a rifle or whatever, IN-CASE I accidentaly run into a hog...
However, when I WANT to go hog hunting, I go with a guided hunt.... sure.... $400 sounds like quite a bit, BUT, it's not. After all, why pay $400 when there is GOOD hog hunting at FHL? Well....
Lets look at the economy of my hunting FHL for hogs for 4 or 5 years.... I believe MOST will attest to similar success rates (at least 3 other I know are in the same boat).
The first year, I went about 5 times... did not have an annual....the price was about $29 with the add-on fees, per weekend. So, it was $145 for the first year. Then, for the next 4 years, I had annual permits... $70 per year, so that's $280.... So far, we have $280+145=$425 JUST for permits.... I went there an average of 7 or 8 times per year. So, I went there about 38 (sounds about right) times or so.....It's about 450 miles, round trip (including the driving around at FHL) from my place. My truck gives me about 16 mpg, so it's 28 gallons used each time. That is more than 1100 gallons that I've used up going there. I would often meet up with buddies up there, but rarely share a ride with them, so 99% of the time, I pay 100% of the gas money. I would estimate that the average fuel cost over the last few years is about $1.35 per gallon (I'm being conservative), so that's about $1485 for fuel to FHL over the years, bringing the grand total to $1900+ for fuel and permits ONLY. Now, I could go on and on about food/overnight accomodations, etc, etc.... but I won't because I did not have to stay at the Hacienda as often as I did, and I did not have to EAT as much as I did.... on average, the food/accomodation bill was about $70-150 per weekend, depending on where we stayed, what we ate, etc, and that runs into the thousands over they years, but we will leave that out.... So.... $1920 for 5 years, and no hogs.... That is FIVE quality private ranch guided pig hunts, and FIVE pigs that COULD have been in my freezer, just in permits and fuel.... So I did pay for a hog per year.... but got none..... Don't get me wrong. I still enjoy hunting for pigs (while hunting for other things) on public lands, I enjoy the experience, the hike, the scenary (and none of the hassles of FHL).... but I NO LONGER fool myself into thinking that it is less costly to hunt for pigs on public land.... ESPECIALLY FHL.
Just my opinion......
Well.... There are some of us (the quiet types!) that don't post often (but still LOVE this site, and deem it the MOST informative and hunting fun California site). However, it does not mean that there are only 8 with complaints.....
I hate to be a nagging cry baby, but some of what was said here was experienced by me as well.
Cindy IS somewhat of a moody person. I've seen here on her good days, and on her not-so-good ones.... (or at least I thought!). On her good days, she is very pleasant, on her not so good ones,...... well, lets just say that I've had that window shut closed at my face too..... In general, and as a summary, I realized something! I realized that whenever I'm around that window (not necessarily her, but whomever who is there at the time), I find myself WALKING ON EGGSHELLS. And, that, is NOT RIGHT.
As a customer, I should NOT feel intimidated and walk on egg shells, in fear of someone errupting....
As for the previous post asking questions about FHL, well.... I have my take on it.....
I've hunted there for 5 years, but no longer go there. It is beautiful country, but the hunting is not as good as some people make it be (I'll explain in a minute). The NUMBER ONE reason I don't go there anymore, is the hassle of having to check-in.... check-out....register.... Can't enter an area (to start walking/hiking) earlier than an hour before sunrise, can't leave an area later than an hour after sunset (a REAL problem if you have gotten game at the last light....). Also, I don't care for the long lines, crowds, area assignments, and the hassle of changing them, etc.... Lets face it.... I go hunting to have fun, and get away from the everyday hussle.... At FHL, I find more of the same!
Now, the success rates..... If you get drawn for Elk, it is pretty much a sure bet. Quail and rabbits can be found in decent abundance as well. But, as far as deer and hogs go, IMO you are MUCH better off somewhere else. I know that someone might jump out and say "BUT YOU ALWAYS SEE A COUPLE OF HOGS TAKEN EVERY WEEKEND!". True.... you also have to consider the number of people who hunted there in an attempt to take a hog. The weekends that I've been there, LOTS of hunters, and a couple of hogs.... making the probability very close to public land elsewhere. I assure you, if 100 guys went in all directions on a nearby forest land, a couple of them WOULD score hogs. As for deer, at least in my experience, the same thing.... The openning day (which I only went ONCE!) is like a frik'n ZOO!!! HUNDREDS of hunters in line before the morning.... from my understanding, some go there couple of days early to stand in line (or so I was told).... Looks like the bread line in a communist country!!!! By midday of that openning morning, I believe there were 7 or 8 bucks taken.... NONE impressive, and all barely legal!!! In my opinion, one can do A LOT better on public land!!!
There are more reasons that I don't hunt there anymore. I can get rabbits and quail with sufficient abundance locally. I havn't hunted deer in a while, but see them (bucks and does) regularly on public lands, to where if I decided to start hunting them, I'd feel that I'd have a fairly decent chance at legal bucks. In general, I hunt a lot of upland and small game relatively locally. Sometimes I get them, sometimes I don't. It's always fun, with little driving, and NO CHECK-IN/OUT hassle, no vouchers needed, no annual pass needed, etc.
My biggest passion is Hog hunting.... I, too, have hiked probably hundreds of miles, and many many weekends all over public lands, and have put in my time. If you have a public land hot spot, more power to you. All my successful public land hog hunts (and there weren't many!) was a result of being at the right place, at the right time..... Lucky for me, VERY unlucky for the pig. However, in ALL cases, they were 'transients'.
The main reason that I started hunting FHL was because of it's suppozed 'good hog hunting'. That is just about the only reason that I started hunting there, as I could get everything else, everywhere else, without the hassles or attitudes. But that is WAY over-rated, and simply NOT ture. I hunt all my other game on public land, away from the crowds, etc, and of course, I take slugs or a rifle or whatever, IN-CASE I accidentaly run into a hog...
However, when I WANT to go hog hunting, I go with a guided hunt.... sure.... $400 sounds like quite a bit, BUT, it's not. After all, why pay $400 when there is GOOD hog hunting at FHL? Well....
Lets look at the economy of my hunting FHL for hogs for 4 or 5 years.... I believe MOST will attest to similar success rates (at least 3 other I know are in the same boat).
The first year, I went about 5 times... did not have an annual....the price was about $29 with the add-on fees, per weekend. So, it was $145 for the first year. Then, for the next 4 years, I had annual permits... $70 per year, so that's $280.... So far, we have $280+145=$425 JUST for permits.... I went there an average of 7 or 8 times per year. So, I went there about 38 (sounds about right) times or so.....It's about 450 miles, round trip (including the driving around at FHL) from my place. My truck gives me about 16 mpg, so it's 28 gallons used each time. That is more than 1100 gallons that I've used up going there. I would often meet up with buddies up there, but rarely share a ride with them, so 99% of the time, I pay 100% of the gas money. I would estimate that the average fuel cost over the last few years is about $1.35 per gallon (I'm being conservative), so that's about $1485 for fuel to FHL over the years, bringing the grand total to $1900+ for fuel and permits ONLY. Now, I could go on and on about food/overnight accomodations, etc, etc.... but I won't because I did not have to stay at the Hacienda as often as I did, and I did not have to EAT as much as I did.... on average, the food/accomodation bill was about $70-150 per weekend, depending on where we stayed, what we ate, etc, and that runs into the thousands over they years, but we will leave that out.... So.... $1920 for 5 years, and no hogs.... That is FIVE quality private ranch guided pig hunts, and FIVE pigs that COULD have been in my freezer, just in permits and fuel.... So I did pay for a hog per year.... but got none..... Don't get me wrong. I still enjoy hunting for pigs (while hunting for other things) on public lands, I enjoy the experience, the hike, the scenary (and none of the hassles of FHL).... but I NO LONGER fool myself into thinking that it is less costly to hunt for pigs on public land.... ESPECIALLY FHL.
Just my opinion......
