Hitechhunter
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FYI......I sent an email to Barnes, supported by a link to one of our fun discussions here. No response.
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scramjet, thanks for the pics, i must say,those do look a hell of alot more
menacing than the peeled banana of the tsx's, i will give them a try for sure,
do you know if they are readily available yet? and if so,who has um?
thanks,
***just checked,only available in 30cal,same with the e-tips,no love for 270 guys***
menacing than the peeled banana of the tsx's, i will give them a try for sure,
do you know if they are readily available yet? and if so,who has um?
thanks,
***just checked,only available in 30cal,same with the e-tips,no love for 270 guys***
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Hatchet,
Dude you gotta look harder. Go to Barnes website you can buy them directly for $29.77 a box, and they have 130 gr. & 150 gr.http://www.barnesbullets.com/sunsho...=258&prevaction=category&previd=3&prevstart=0
There's love for the 270!
Dude you gotta look harder. Go to Barnes website you can buy them directly for $29.77 a box, and they have 130 gr. & 150 gr.http://www.barnesbullets.com/sunsho...=258&prevaction=category&previd=3&prevstart=0
There's love for the 270!
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i dont reload, i see that they are available, but none of the companys are
loading them, i may however ,purchase some and have them loaded up for me thru connely
precision,i have used there service in the past,and have been pretty happy with
there work, may have to pick up a few more shifts to pay for the damn things
though when they get thru with um
gone are the days of going
to big 5 and buying a box of corelokt's for 12.99,those babys put the hurt to the puercos
loading them, i may however ,purchase some and have them loaded up for me thru connely
precision,i have used there service in the past,and have been pretty happy with
there work, may have to pick up a few more shifts to pay for the damn things
though when they get thru with um
to big 5 and buying a box of corelokt's for 12.99,those babys put the hurt to the puercos
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Wow, talk about a nice looking hog!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hatchet1 @ Sep 18 2008, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Ahhh yes the corelokts... the only bullet I have shot until now. I am going to see what my father inlaw can come up with. He tests bullets for Berger and Seirra, not to mention that he is sponsored by both. I will let you know if anything in the pipeline.
i dont reload, i see that they are available, but none of the companys are
loading them, i may however ,purchase some and have them loaded up for me thru connely
precision,i have used there service in the past,and have been pretty happy with
there work, may have to pick up a few more shifts to pay for the damn things
though when they get thru with umgone are the days of going
to big 5 and buying a box of corelokt's for 12.99,those babys put the hurt to the puercos[/b]
Ahhh yes the corelokts... the only bullet I have shot until now. I am going to see what my father inlaw can come up with. He tests bullets for Berger and Seirra, not to mention that he is sponsored by both. I will let you know if anything in the pipeline.
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Hatchet,
Sorry, i didn't realize you didn't reload.. I will pm you..
Chris
Sorry, i didn't realize you didn't reload.. I will pm you..
Chris
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I put a 130 gr TSX right through a big bear's shoulders and into his lungs and he lived for a couple hours before we could find him and put a few more into him. He took a few .270 and .264 TSXs into the chest before he died. Hardly any deformation. Might be time to go to a bigger calibre just to compensate for these damn copper bullets.
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Hatchet, your a killing machine! One of these days, I'm gonna eventually figure these pigs out. DFG sends me 5 tags a year and they gather dust.
Way to stack em!
My recent experience with barnes in 12 ga mirrors yours. There's gotta be something better.
Way to stack em!
My recent experience with barnes in 12 ga mirrors yours. There's gotta be something better.
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Credible first-hand stories like this, from credible authors, make me seriously question the seemingly good fortune I've had with the TSX... I refuse to risk life and limb based on the red herring that a teensy amount of lead is somehow more awful for the environment than me getting gored or loosing an animal (and I don't mean losing a condor). Forced use of non-lead ammo based on spurious data is potentially reckless endangerment of both man and beast.
Ammunition control is back door gun control and has nothing to do with the environment or condors.
Ammunition control is back door gun control and has nothing to do with the environment or condors.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Backcountry @ Sep 19 2008, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
C'mon John - politics aside, you, me and a stadium full of others have been filling tags with the TSX for years with great success. Claiming it's a crappy bullet ain't going to get a law changed, and stacks of dead animals on Jesse's and other popular forums like 24hourcampfire and accuratereloading prove that it's not.
Use it, and kill more critters than ever. That will negate any perceived back-door gun control or anti-hunting fomentation.
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C'mon John - politics aside, you, me and a stadium full of others have been filling tags with the TSX for years with great success. Claiming it's a crappy bullet ain't going to get a law changed, and stacks of dead animals on Jesse's and other popular forums like 24hourcampfire and accuratereloading prove that it's not.
Use it, and kill more critters than ever. That will negate any perceived back-door gun control or anti-hunting fomentation.
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True, I began using the Barnes TSX bullet looooong before I ever heard of any lead ammo ban and some spurious argument about saving stupid condors. I killed a few pigs with the TSX and all were one shot stops... only one however was a one shot kill... for example, one had busted front shoulders and holes in the lungs (but required a finishing shot to the head), and another ran/tumbled off a 100+ foot cliff, which kills way more effectively than most guns, regardless of caliber. But all the pigs ended up dead in short order, which was the way things went with the pigs that I used to shoot with lead ammo... not a very robust statistical study, but good enough for me as I liked the accuracy I got with the TSX, and I never, ever claimed I was using that ammo because I liked to hug trees.
The issue I have is that choice has been legislated against... you understand wanting to have choice, right? Well I'm pro-choice in more ways than one. My right to choose what ammo I use, in parts of the state, has been infringed, based on what I claim is faulty or incomplete science (and I'm a frick'n scientist!). I'll stand by my claim that forced use of non-lead ammo based on spurious data is potentially reckless endangerment of both man and beast.
1) my biggest gripe is legislating my rights away on the guise of science and saving the environment… if Obama gets the nod, with the current dem controlled house & senate, this is going to get waaaaaaay worse.
2) my second gripe is more of a simple concern... it does bother me that so many seemingly credible reports are coming in about these bullets not doing their job... I grant that there are many possible reasons for this, and I also grant the are a seemingly equal number of credible TSX success stories on the net... perhaps because the TSX’s are new people are more likely to be suspect and post when they have a negative experience... perhaps guys like me with an axe to grind against the gun-grabbers are looking for any reason to scream the sky is falling... perhaps the bullets really do fail more than lead bullets... perhaps there are more idiots out hunting that don’t know didly about shot placement… I honestly don't know.
I do know though that in spite of the TSX bullet having worked for me in the past, I'm now second guessing using it this coming winter for pigs... keep in mind... money is no object to me regarding ammunition costs... neither is the stupid environmental red herring, law be damned... I want the best ammunition in terms of combined precision and terminal performance... I thought I had that in my .308 with the TSX... but now I don't know...
I'll probably still use the TSX for long range (>50 yards) this winter for hogs because I have a ton of it and it definitely groups better than the other loads I've been using, and I have the utmost confidence in my ability to get my part of the job done. If there’s a failure, it won’t be my fault, and I won’t lose sleep over a wounded varmint, which is what these feral hogs are… based on the jury still being out I damn sure wouldn’t trust it on an elk hunt where I’d cry like a baby if I wounded and lost an elk.
I'm still debating what boolit to use in my pig/brush gun in .45-70... great thing about that round, even poor shots with crap bullets will knock the crap out of a pig.
Backcountry
p.s. sorry for the thread hijack... damn fine cutters on that pig!!! Thanks for posting your experience too...
True, I began using the Barnes TSX bullet looooong before I ever heard of any lead ammo ban and some spurious argument about saving stupid condors. I killed a few pigs with the TSX and all were one shot stops... only one however was a one shot kill... for example, one had busted front shoulders and holes in the lungs (but required a finishing shot to the head), and another ran/tumbled off a 100+ foot cliff, which kills way more effectively than most guns, regardless of caliber. But all the pigs ended up dead in short order, which was the way things went with the pigs that I used to shoot with lead ammo... not a very robust statistical study, but good enough for me as I liked the accuracy I got with the TSX, and I never, ever claimed I was using that ammo because I liked to hug trees.
The issue I have is that choice has been legislated against... you understand wanting to have choice, right? Well I'm pro-choice in more ways than one. My right to choose what ammo I use, in parts of the state, has been infringed, based on what I claim is faulty or incomplete science (and I'm a frick'n scientist!). I'll stand by my claim that forced use of non-lead ammo based on spurious data is potentially reckless endangerment of both man and beast.
1) my biggest gripe is legislating my rights away on the guise of science and saving the environment… if Obama gets the nod, with the current dem controlled house & senate, this is going to get waaaaaaay worse.
2) my second gripe is more of a simple concern... it does bother me that so many seemingly credible reports are coming in about these bullets not doing their job... I grant that there are many possible reasons for this, and I also grant the are a seemingly equal number of credible TSX success stories on the net... perhaps because the TSX’s are new people are more likely to be suspect and post when they have a negative experience... perhaps guys like me with an axe to grind against the gun-grabbers are looking for any reason to scream the sky is falling... perhaps the bullets really do fail more than lead bullets... perhaps there are more idiots out hunting that don’t know didly about shot placement… I honestly don't know.
I do know though that in spite of the TSX bullet having worked for me in the past, I'm now second guessing using it this coming winter for pigs... keep in mind... money is no object to me regarding ammunition costs... neither is the stupid environmental red herring, law be damned... I want the best ammunition in terms of combined precision and terminal performance... I thought I had that in my .308 with the TSX... but now I don't know...
I'll probably still use the TSX for long range (>50 yards) this winter for hogs because I have a ton of it and it definitely groups better than the other loads I've been using, and I have the utmost confidence in my ability to get my part of the job done. If there’s a failure, it won’t be my fault, and I won’t lose sleep over a wounded varmint, which is what these feral hogs are… based on the jury still being out I damn sure wouldn’t trust it on an elk hunt where I’d cry like a baby if I wounded and lost an elk.
I'm still debating what boolit to use in my pig/brush gun in .45-70... great thing about that round, even poor shots with crap bullets will knock the crap out of a pig.
p.s. sorry for the thread hijack... damn fine cutters on that pig!!! Thanks for posting your experience too...
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bc. thanks for the even sided review, some people dont see it that way,but to each there own,i see an average of about
8 hogs a month killed, 95% of them are not pretty with the copper, just stating the facts as i see um,terrible mandate
that are gooberment has installed, sad that people back it hole heartedly without statistics, ive shot hogs that went down
too on the first shot with the barneys, but i promise one thing, you cant beat the stopping power of a mushrooming piece
of lead on a hog,we must comply with the tree act down were im at, so thats were we are at, but if its not mandated
where you hunt, shoot the lead man, the copper just creates more food for that condor
and thanks to the atta boys on the masher!!redneck, he will be a skull job,no doubt he's a great hog, but ive got a few that occupy the wall,
mama wants a cabin
8 hogs a month killed, 95% of them are not pretty with the copper, just stating the facts as i see um,terrible mandate
that are gooberment has installed, sad that people back it hole heartedly without statistics, ive shot hogs that went down
too on the first shot with the barneys, but i promise one thing, you cant beat the stopping power of a mushrooming piece
of lead on a hog,we must comply with the tree act down were im at, so thats were we are at, but if its not mandated
where you hunt, shoot the lead man, the copper just creates more food for that condor
mama wants a cabin
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if you are going to be reloading for one caliber only, this is a very inexpensive and accurate method of reloading... i would seriously consider buying one of these for your 270
Lee Classic Hand-Press
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ozz, thanks for the tip, seeing how there is a whopping 2 alternatives to shoot in the dodo zone,
i am leaning that way ,once again the poor performance of the tsx"which is all that is
available for my particular caliber .270,is extremly disapointing to say the least, im hoping that
the e-tip will show me something that is acceptable[once it is available], the barneys are available in the mrx design
but im not holding my breath as they appear to be the same ,just named differnt, i,ll keep
you posted on the results,what is the most reliable brass out there by the way? thanks again
i am leaning that way ,once again the poor performance of the tsx"which is all that is
available for my particular caliber .270,is extremly disapointing to say the least, im hoping that
the e-tip will show me something that is acceptable[once it is available], the barneys are available in the mrx design
but im not holding my breath as they appear to be the same ,just named differnt, i,ll keep
you posted on the results,what is the most reliable brass out there by the way? thanks again
