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That explains why DFG seems to do whatever it can to make hunting more difficult for hunters in CA. Chopper, they also slaughtered about a few hundred hogs here in Kern because they were tired of people coming into the water district and hunting them. They have also been killing off whitetails coming across from Northern CA.
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Just a few years ago you could get a book of 5 pig tags for $7.50. In one year they went from $7.50 for 5 pig tags to $17.50 per tag.
As far as guided prices being too high, I think why everyone thinks that is because they went up so fast. I remember five years ago I could get on several ranches for $100-$200 and shoot a pig. This was unguided, but a guided hunt back then was around $300, at least around here. I know several land owners and guides. The main difference in price is two things. First most of the guides I know back then had a real job and guiding was a sideline to make some extra money. Ranchers I know had cattle and other sources on income. Now the same guides decided it was more fun to not work and guide all the time and if they raise their rates they could do that. The ranchers raised their rates similarly. I'm not saying it's wrong. A person has a right to make a living anyway he wants if he can make a go of it, and most of my friends who guide do quite well. Most have newer trucks than I. It's just different than it was just a short while ago. Back then if their truck broke down, their main income from their main job would pay for it or their wife's job would pay for it to be fixed. That's why guides hunts were mainly on weekends. Now, with many guides having no other income, every expense has to be passed on or they aren't going to be able to do it full time and live comfortably.
Just my 2cents.
That explains why DFG seems to do whatever it can to make hunting more difficult for hunters in CA. Chopper, they also slaughtered about a few hundred hogs here in Kern because they were tired of people coming into the water district and hunting them. They have also been killing off whitetails coming across from Northern CA.
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Just a few years ago you could get a book of 5 pig tags for $7.50. In one year they went from $7.50 for 5 pig tags to $17.50 per tag.
As far as guided prices being too high, I think why everyone thinks that is because they went up so fast. I remember five years ago I could get on several ranches for $100-$200 and shoot a pig. This was unguided, but a guided hunt back then was around $300, at least around here. I know several land owners and guides. The main difference in price is two things. First most of the guides I know back then had a real job and guiding was a sideline to make some extra money. Ranchers I know had cattle and other sources on income. Now the same guides decided it was more fun to not work and guide all the time and if they raise their rates they could do that. The ranchers raised their rates similarly. I'm not saying it's wrong. A person has a right to make a living anyway he wants if he can make a go of it, and most of my friends who guide do quite well. Most have newer trucks than I. It's just different than it was just a short while ago. Back then if their truck broke down, their main income from their main job would pay for it or their wife's job would pay for it to be fixed. That's why guides hunts were mainly on weekends. Now, with many guides having no other income, every expense has to be passed on or they aren't going to be able to do it full time and live comfortably.
Just my 2cents.
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This thread was about prices being too high. It has nothing to do with hogs being invasive or non-native. As already pointed out, plenty of wildlife we enjoy is non-native and to say we should just be able to eradicate them at will, and for free, is silly. I sure wish when I sat with a buddy and griped about the toils of life, one of the recuring problems I have is those damn hogs tearing up 1000's of acres of my ranch. What am I to do?
I can't believe you still don't get the point. If people quit paying, there are two choices, not just one. Lower prices, as you say, or stop doing it altogether. If there isn't any room to lower prices and still make a profit, then operations shut down. I doubt you'll find anybody that will work for free. If you want a swimming pool at your house but instead of paying the $20k price you only want to spend $5k, do you really think someone will dip into their own savings accout to come build you a pool? No way. If they don't have enough business then they shut down and do something else. They don't just start doing pools for free........and you just end up sitting in the front lawn with a water hose and sprinkler. But I guess you showed those damn pool guys huh?
This thread was about prices being too high. It has nothing to do with hogs being invasive or non-native. As already pointed out, plenty of wildlife we enjoy is non-native and to say we should just be able to eradicate them at will, and for free, is silly. I sure wish when I sat with a buddy and griped about the toils of life, one of the recuring problems I have is those damn hogs tearing up 1000's of acres of my ranch. What am I to do?
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For those that have been around CA long enough should remember there was a time when hogs were listed as a non-game animal by DFG. Why change back to game animal status? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
I have no problem with a landowner leasing out his land or charging for hunts. It's his land and from my experience most do it for supplemental income. Just like the rice farmers in the valley leasing out their land to duck hunters. Not their primary business but hey, the land is laying fallow and why not use it to make some money to help pay some expenses? Same thing for ranchers. You got the land, maybe work outside or you work solely on the ranch, pigs are there, people will pay to kill them, make some money. Nothing wrong with it.
I have no problem with a landowner leasing out his land or charging for hunts. It's his land and from my experience most do it for supplemental income. Just like the rice farmers in the valley leasing out their land to duck hunters. Not their primary business but hey, the land is laying fallow and why not use it to make some money to help pay some expenses? Same thing for ranchers. You got the land, maybe work outside or you work solely on the ranch, pigs are there, people will pay to kill them, make some money. Nothing wrong with it.
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Speck – are you serious. They’re not Tules? Now that is stupid. If anyone pays $20,000 for a Rocky Mnt Elk you are an idiot. I thought they were Tules and I know there are a lot of hunters that have millions of dollars to blow on crazy hunts. If you’re a millionaire and want to complete your slam, what other choice do you have exept to pay a ton on money to kill a Tule. But to pay that much money for a Rocky Mnt – you are a idiot.
7mag – I’m from CA and hunt near Carbondale in CO. (I think its area 43) My brother and I try to go every year. He gets a bull tag and I get a cow and deer tag. There are campgrounds you can stay in (and hunt right out of) and you don’t need a guide. It’s a great inexpensive hunt.
7mag – I’m from CA and hunt near Carbondale in CO. (I think its area 43) My brother and I try to go every year. He gets a bull tag and I get a cow and deer tag. There are campgrounds you can stay in (and hunt right out of) and you don’t need a guide. It’s a great inexpensive hunt.
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BPN, on the first, kneejerk reaction, I'd agree with you. I don't even have a concept of what it must be like to be willing and able to drop that kind of money on an elk, when I can hunt them in native habitat for a fraction of the price. Seems crazy to me.
But idiot? I dunno. I don't personally know any of the people who do the Tejon elk hunts, but calling them names really isn't right. They have that kind of cash to drop, then they obviously have a very different perspective on things than you or I do. It's all about scale, right? There are folks who consider losing a dollar a big deal, and there are those who think nothing of tossing a C-note to the valet for parking their car. Are they idiots? Or are they just extremely wealthy with different priorities than you or I may have?
But idiot? I dunno. I don't personally know any of the people who do the Tejon elk hunts, but calling them names really isn't right. They have that kind of cash to drop, then they obviously have a very different perspective on things than you or I do. It's all about scale, right? There are folks who consider losing a dollar a big deal, and there are those who think nothing of tossing a C-note to the valet for parking their car. Are they idiots? Or are they just extremely wealthy with different priorities than you or I may have?
QUOTE (bpnclark @ Jan 9 2008, 08:54 AM)
Conversely, I am sure there are folks out there that would think you are an "idiot" for spending 500 bucks to purchase a Colorado Bull tag--for some people 500 bucks is a lot of money, and for some folks 20K is not!
If someone wants to spend 20K for an elk hunt in California (for a genuine chance to harvest A 400+ RM bull elk) that does not make him an "idiot."
Conversely, I am sure there are folks out there that would think you are an "idiot" for spending 500 bucks to purchase a Colorado Bull tag--for some people 500 bucks is a lot of money, and for some folks 20K is not!
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Ok maybe “idiot” is the wrong word. But come on. Are the Elk there even allowed in the record books or are they considered “Estate” Bulls. Does Tejon have them in a large fenced in area? Are they allowed to leave the property? If they are “imported stock” I really doubt they are “free ranging” elk. But with all of that aside – why would someone pay at least 4x times the cost of a guided (truly free range) elk hunt in their natural habitat. That doesn’t make since to me.
As for calling someone an “idiot” for spending $20,000 to shoot an “imported stock” elk, I do apologize. I guess I don’t understand and don’t have that kind of $. But this is America and a person can do what they want. I have been to enough SCI, FNAWS and RMEF dinners and have seen a lot of tags for crazy prices to know there are a lot people with a lot of $.
SacFireJT – my post said I spend $250 on a cow tag. And yes people have called me an idiot for that. But try killing a CO bull Elk for cheaper than $500. And that bull would be a wild free ranging bull in its natural habitat. Not a transplant.
Sorry for getting off topic and I apologize to anyone that I have offend.
As for calling someone an “idiot” for spending $20,000 to shoot an “imported stock” elk, I do apologize. I guess I don’t understand and don’t have that kind of $. But this is America and a person can do what they want. I have been to enough SCI, FNAWS and RMEF dinners and have seen a lot of tags for crazy prices to know there are a lot people with a lot of $.
SacFireJT – my post said I spend $250 on a cow tag. And yes people have called me an idiot for that. But try killing a CO bull Elk for cheaper than $500. And that bull would be a wild free ranging bull in its natural habitat. Not a transplant.
Sorry for getting off topic and I apologize to anyone that I have offend.
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Britney Spears blows $16,000 in clothing and another $100,000 in parties and entertainment a month, is she smart?
No, she just has a lot of money to burn and an empty head with a nice arse!
The people that celebrates todays $500 pig will be sorry the next time you get ask $1,000
just wait and see you'll comeback here crying!
I don't think is demand what keeps prices up, but suckers that overpay and ruins the fun for the rest!
No, she just has a lot of money to burn and an empty head with a nice arse!
The people that celebrates todays $500 pig will be sorry the next time you get ask $1,000
just wait and see you'll comeback here crying!
I don't think is demand what keeps prices up, but suckers that overpay and ruins the fun for the rest!
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QUOTE (7magHunter @ Jan 9 2008, 02:29 PM)
I wouldn't pay $100 to hunt a pig, but that's just me. If some sucker wants to pay $500 to $1,000 for a piggie hunt, ain't no skin off my nose.
I wouldn't pay $100 to hunt a pig, but that's just me. If some sucker wants to pay $500 to $1,000 for a piggie hunt, ain't no skin off my nose.
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In my book $500 out State Elk is a bargain, and a $500 pig is the going rate in California, but not a bargain, it's what's available, just a take it or leave it situation!
BTW, $20 grand for an Elk in Tejon Ranch?
Try $10,000 to 15,000 one whole week on a guided Alaska Kodiak brown bear hunt, talking about the hunt of your life
BTW, $20 grand for an Elk in Tejon Ranch?
Try $10,000 to 15,000 one whole week on a guided Alaska Kodiak brown bear hunt, talking about the hunt of your life
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BPN, I may be wrong, but I think the only thing keeping those elk on Tejon property is the habitat. Tejon ranch is 270,000 acres. It's bounded on the wast end by a major freeway. It's bounded on the east by the Mojave desert. Bakersfield and the wastelands below bound it to the north and the LA area bounds it to the south. No need for fences, as there's no reason for those animals to ever leave.
Doesn't matter. Point is, the people will pay it and Tejon will take it. No different from pigs.
The multiple ironies in this simple statement both astound and amuse.
BPN, I may be wrong, but I think the only thing keeping those elk on Tejon property is the habitat. Tejon ranch is 270,000 acres. It's bounded on the wast end by a major freeway. It's bounded on the east by the Mojave desert. Bakersfield and the wastelands below bound it to the north and the LA area bounds it to the south. No need for fences, as there's no reason for those animals to ever leave.
Doesn't matter. Point is, the people will pay it and Tejon will take it. No different from pigs.
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You’re absolutely right. And if Brittney would have spent all money on hunting trips, she would only be in trouble with PETA.
No one can tell another person what to do with their money. It’s their $. Some might think is dumb but it’s their money, their time and their life.
Good luck to all you guys this year.
No one can tell another person what to do with their money. It’s their $. Some might think is dumb but it’s their money, their time and their life.
Good luck to all you guys this year.
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QUOTE (7magHunter @ Jan 9 2008, 02:29 PM)
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Don't taket it personal Speck, I know you hunt in Tejon, but the facts are like you said, if you pay they take it, I honestly think you guys need to do more negotiation with the people in charge of Tejon and not settle for one price only, come to recall your posts under Tejon Ranch, you said if the quote wasn't 20 hunters minimum the fees will go up, excuse me but I think that reply from Tejon is greed.
Again, don't take it personal!
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Don't taket it personal Speck, I know you hunt in Tejon, but the facts are like you said, if you pay they take it, I honestly think you guys need to do more negotiation with the people in charge of Tejon and not settle for one price only, come to recall your posts under Tejon Ranch, you said if the quote wasn't 20 hunters minimum the fees will go up, excuse me but I think that reply from Tejon is greed.
Again, don't take it personal!
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I don't take any of it personal, 7mag.
I do disagree with your assessment of Tejon's greed... at least on this one, but that's no reflection on me either way. Maybe they are greedy. They're a huge corporation, and that's usually the guiding principle of a corporation... make more money. Call it greed or call it capitalism. Doesn't matter to me as long as they keep calling me when it's time to hunt.
Like I said, I'll pay as much as it's worth to me. If it's not worth it, I won't pay it. $450 or $500 to have free rein for a weekend at Tejon is a bargain as far as I'm concerned. The price is high enough to limit the number of hunters, which is fine with me. More pigs and less people. I like that. Maybe one day, the price will cut me out too. Then I'll find someplace else to play.
I do disagree with your assessment of Tejon's greed... at least on this one, but that's no reflection on me either way. Maybe they are greedy. They're a huge corporation, and that's usually the guiding principle of a corporation... make more money. Call it greed or call it capitalism. Doesn't matter to me as long as they keep calling me when it's time to hunt.
Like I said, I'll pay as much as it's worth to me. If it's not worth it, I won't pay it. $450 or $500 to have free rein for a weekend at Tejon is a bargain as far as I'm concerned. The price is high enough to limit the number of hunters, which is fine with me. More pigs and less people. I like that. Maybe one day, the price will cut me out too. Then I'll find someplace else to play.
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Facts:
2+ days hunting at Tejon $450 ea hunter 20 hunters minimum.
Q: Some of you guys might get the pig the first day or maybe in just a few hours right?
What are you supposed to do the rest of the day and the days follow?
Are you just gonna sit there for another two days and watch and drink beer etc.
They should let hunters hunt at least 2 pigs for a 2-1/2 days to make the hunt worth.
I rather pay $600 and bag two pigs in two+ days than just be sitting at the camp.
I honestly think that having two plus days to hunt doesn't make sense if you can only kill one pig.
PS: is this hunt a no kill no pay kind?
2+ days hunting at Tejon $450 ea hunter 20 hunters minimum.
Q: Some of you guys might get the pig the first day or maybe in just a few hours right?
What are you supposed to do the rest of the day and the days follow?
Are you just gonna sit there for another two days and watch and drink beer etc.
They should let hunters hunt at least 2 pigs for a 2-1/2 days to make the hunt worth.
I rather pay $600 and bag two pigs in two+ days than just be sitting at the camp.
I honestly think that having two plus days to hunt doesn't make sense if you can only kill one pig.
PS: is this hunt a no kill no pay kind?
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Just spending the weekend at Tejon is worth the price of admission.
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I can say the same about Yosemite if you mean because of the view.
If I go hunting is hunting not bird watching!
If I go hunting is hunting not bird watching!
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I use to bitch about the price of pigs myself when it was about 300......this spring I have spent the big bucks to hunt 2 pigs and all the yotes I want for 7 months, there are over 6k pigs to choose from on this ranch, I feel like I should of done this years ago!
Does anybody go tuna fishing???? What about those charter fees 3 day boat about 600 just to get on the boat? And you'll only out there for 2 days of real fishing. Pig hunting is a steel for a 2.5 day trip at 500.
Does anybody go tuna fishing???? What about those charter fees 3 day boat about 600 just to get on the boat? And you'll only out there for 2 days of real fishing. Pig hunting is a steel for a 2.5 day trip at 500.
