Hog hunt with dogs and knife near San Francisco

[spectr17]

Gotta be high fence since the lady wants to buy the hunt for her hubby and he's hooked on stabbing pigs after doing it in Hawaii. Any high fence hog places up near SF?

Thanks

P.S. if you don't like high fence hunts that's fine, please hold your water, I need an answer for this gal and not 5 pages of chest thumping and what is the right way to hunt hogs.

 

[bigboarstopper]

I dont know of any.

 

[spectr17]

Thanks BBS. I put the question to Michael and the gang over at Native Hunt Native Hunt Enterprises, Inc.. Not sure if they do the dog and knife or not.

 

[DirtyDave]

I was just talking to my buddy about this. He went to college in monterey and has a buddy up there that does it on a private ranch. I'll get more info....

 

[DFG_Bear]

Illegal means of take in CA

FYI -
Knifing is an illegal means of take in California.

From Title 14, California Code of Regulations:

§353. Methods Authorized for Taking Big Game. (a) Except for the provisions of subsections 353(b) through (h), Title 14, CCR, big game (as defined by Section 350, Title 14, CCR) may only be taken by rifles using centerfire cartridges with softnose or expanding projectiles; bow and arrow (see Section 354, Title 14, CCR, for archery equipment regulations); or wheellock, matchlock, flintlock or percussion type, including "in-line" muzzleloading rifles using black powder or equivalent black powder substitute, including pellets, with a single projectile loaded from the muzzle and at least .40 caliber in designation. For purposes of Section 353, a "projectile" is defined as any bullet, ball, sabot, slug, buckshot or other device which is expelled from a firearm through a barrel by force.
(b) Shotguns capable of holding not more than three shells firing single slugs may be used for the taking of deer, bear and wild pigs. In areas where the discharge of rifles or shotguns with slugs is prohibited by county ordinance, shotguns capable of holding not more than three shells firing size 0 or 00 buckshot may be used for the taking of deer only.
(c) Pistols and revolvers using centerfire cartridges with softnose or expanding projectiles may be used to take deer, bear, and wild pigs.
(d) Pistols and revolvers with minimum barrel lengths of 4 inches, using centerfire cartridges with softnose or expanding projectiles may be used to take elk and bighorn sheep.
(e) Except as provided in subsection 354(j), crossbows may be used to take deer and wild pigs only during the regular seasons.
(f) Under the provisions of a muzzleloading rifle only tag, hunters may only possess muzzleloading rifles as described in subsection 353(a) equipped with open or "peep" type sights only except as describled in subsection 353(k).
(g) Under the provisions of a muzzleloading rifle/archery tag, hunters may only possess muzzleloading rifles with sights as described in subsection 353(f); archery equipment as described in Section 354; or both. For purposes of this subsection, archery equipment does not include crossbows, except as provided in subsection 354(j).
(h) Methods of take within the California condor range. Except as otherwise provided, it is unlawful to use or possess projectiles containing more than one percent lead by weight while taking or attempting to take any big game (as defined in Section 350, Title 14, CCR) in those areas described in Section 3004.5, Fish and Game Code.

 

[easymoney]

I thought it was illegal in CA, thanks dfg bear for posting the regs.

 

[JNDEER]

FYI -
Knifing is an illegal means of take in California.

From Title 14, California Code of Regulations:

§353. Methods Authorized for Taking Big Game. (a) Except for the provisions of subsections 353(b) through (h), Title 14, CCR, big game (as defined by Section 350, Title 14, CCR) may only be taken by rifles using centerfire cartridges with softnose or expanding projectiles; bow and arrow (see Section 354, Title 14, CCR, for archery equipment regulations); or wheellock, matchlock, flintlock or percussion type, including "in-line" muzzleloading rifles using black powder or equivalent black powder substitute, including pellets, with a single projectile loaded from the muzzle and at least .40 caliber in designation. For purposes of Section 353, a "projectile" is defined as any bullet, ball, sabot, slug, buckshot or other device which is expelled from a firearm through a barrel by force.
(b) Shotguns capable of holding not more than three shells firing single slugs may be used for the taking of deer, bear and wild pigs. In areas where the discharge of rifles or shotguns with slugs is prohibited by county ordinance, shotguns capable of holding not more than three shells firing size 0 or 00 buckshot may be used for the taking of deer only.
(c) Pistols and revolvers using centerfire cartridges with softnose or expanding projectiles may be used to take deer, bear, and wild pigs.
(d) Pistols and revolvers with minimum barrel lengths of 4 inches, using centerfire cartridges with softnose or expanding projectiles may be used to take elk and bighorn sheep.
(e) Except as provided in subsection 354(j), crossbows may be used to take deer and wild pigs only during the regular seasons.
(f) Under the provisions of a muzzleloading rifle only tag, hunters may only possess muzzleloading rifles as described in subsection 353(a) equipped with open or "peep" type sights only except as describled in subsection 353(k).
(g) Under the provisions of a muzzleloading rifle/archery tag, hunters may only possess muzzleloading rifles with sights as described in subsection 353(f); archery equipment as described in Section 354; or both. For purposes of this subsection, archery equipment does not include crossbows, except as provided in subsection 354(j).
(h) Methods of take within the California condor range. Except as otherwise provided, it is unlawful to use or possess projectiles containing more than one percent lead by weight while taking or attempting to take any big game (as defined in Section 350, Title 14, CCR) in those areas described in Section 3004.5, Fish and Game Code.

You are correct DFG Bear, however if it is a High Fence Operation then the "big game" (assuming the pigs were purchased and put in the enclosure) are no longer belonging to the state and would be considered "pets" of the land owner. As a pet those animals can be killed by what ever means the land owner wishes to use.

JNDEER

 

[#1Predator]

You are correct DFG Bear, however if it is a High Fence Operation then the "big game" (assuming the pigs were purchased and put in the enclosure) are no longer belonging to the state and would be considered "pets" of the land owner. As a pet those animals can be killed by what ever means the land owner wishes to use.

JNDEER

Be very careful on this one guys. Even domestic animals ("pets") are subject to Penal Code section 597, a felony (Michael Vic ring a bell?). Subsection "b" applies to "knifing" a pig because it is not recognized as a "normal agricultural practice" (i.e. slaughter house method) and is considered inhumane and has been, in some cases, considered "torture" under this section.


597. (a) Except as provided in subdivision (c) of this section or
Section 599c, every person who maliciously and intentionally maims,
mutilates, tortures, or wounds a living animal, or maliciously and
intentionally kills an animal, is guilty of an offense punishable by
imprisonment in the state prison, or by a fine of not more than
twenty thousand dollars ($20,000), or by both the fine and
imprisonment, or, alternatively, by imprisonment in a county jail for
not more than one year, or by a fine of not more than twenty
thousand dollars ($20,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment.
(b) Except as otherwise provided in subdivision (a) or (c), every
person who overdrives, overloads, drives when overloaded, overworks,
tortures, torments, deprives of necessary sustenance, drink, or
shelter, cruelly beats, mutilates, or cruelly kills any animal ...

 

[JNDEER]

You are correct DFG Bear, however if it is a High Fence Operation then the "big game" (assuming the pigs were purchased and put in the enclosure) are no longer belonging to the state and would be considered "pets" of the land owner. As a pet those animals can be killed by what ever means the land owner wishes to use.

JNDEER

Be very careful on this one guys. Even domestic animals ("pets") are subject to Penal Code section 597, a felony (Michael Vic ring a bell?). Subsection "b" applies to "knifing" a pig because it is not recognized as a "normal agricultural practice" (i.e. slaughter house method) and is considered inhumane and has been, in some cases, considered "torture" under this section.


597. (a) Except as provided in subdivision (c) of this section or
Section 599c, every person who maliciously and intentionally maims,
mutilates, tortures, or wounds a living animal, or maliciously and
intentionally kills an animal, is guilty of an offense punishable by
imprisonment in the state prison, or by a fine of not more than
twenty thousand dollars ($20,000), or by both the fine and
imprisonment, or, alternatively, by imprisonment in a county jail for
not more than one year, or by a fine of not more than twenty
thousand dollars ($20,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment.
(b) Except as otherwise provided in subdivision (a) or (c), every
person who overdrives, overloads, drives when overloaded, overworks,
tortures, torments, deprives of necessary sustenance, drink, or
shelter, cruelly beats, mutilates, or cruelly kills any animal ...

I don't think this would pertain to what we are talking about. I am not sure which section of the P.C it falls under, but EVERY animal that is taken by gun, bow,etc could easily be considered..." wounds a living animal, or maliciously and intentionally kills an animal"... if this is correct than every hunter who has lost game due to a bad shot placement or could be considered "maliciously" killing game should go to State Prison???? I don't think this penal code is to be interpretted in this manner nor do I think it would apply to anyone deciding how to take the life of his own live stock. Just my opinion.

 

[#1Predator]

I don't think this would pertain to what we are talking about. I am not sure which section of the P.C it falls under, but EVERY animal that is taken by gun, bow,etc could easily be considered..." wounds a living animal, or maliciously and intentionally kills an animal"... if this is correct than every hunter who has lost game due to a bad shot placement or could be considered "maliciously" killing game should go to State Prison???? I don't think this penal code is to be interpretted in this manner nor do I think it would apply to anyone deciding how to take the life of his own live stock. Just my opinion.

PETA brought up this same argument about eight years ago regarding California's bear hunting season. Court precedent has already been set. Penal Code 597, subsection (c) exempts game animals listed in the Fish and Game Code and differs to the legal methods of take described in the F&G Code and "regulations made pursuant thereto" unless the game animal is taken by a method not authorized by the F&G Code. In that case, PC 597 would supersede the F&G Code and the case would be filed for violation of PC 597.

But we are talking apples and oranges here. Game animals (as defined by the F&G Code) and domestic animals are treated differently, under the law. If they weren't, you would be correct and we would not be allowed to hunt in this state. That has not happened......yet.

 

[JNDEER]

I don't think this would pertain to what we are talking about. I am not sure which section of the P.C it falls under, but EVERY animal that is taken by gun, bow,etc could easily be considered..." wounds a living animal, or maliciously and intentionally kills an animal"... if this is correct than every hunter who has lost game due to a bad shot placement or could be considered "maliciously" killing game should go to State Prison???? I don't think this penal code is to be interpretted in this manner nor do I think it would apply to anyone deciding how to take the life of his own live stock. Just my opinion.

PETA brought up this same argument about eight years ago regarding California's bear hunting season. Court precedent has already been set. Penal Code 597, subsection (c) exempts game animals listed in the Fish and Game Code and differs to the legal methods of take described in the F&G Code and "regulations made pursuant thereto" unless the game animal is taken by a method not authorized by the F&G Code. In that case, PC 597 would supersede the F&G Code and the case would be filed for violation of PC 597.

But we are talking apples and oranges here. Game animals (as defined by the F&G Code) and domestic animals are treated differently, under the law. If they weren't, you would be correct and we would not be allowed to hunt in this state. That has not happened......yet.

that is what I was looking for....huh...you are correct then if that is the case. the "pet" pigs would have to be killed in a "humane" way and I don't think a knife to the heart after being bayed by pigs would be humane........so.....Spectr...that lady will have to get her husband a hunt in a state that allows the take of pig with a knife.

 

[#1Predator]

that is what I was looking for....huh...you are correct then if that is the case. the "pet" pigs would have to be killed in a "humane" way and I don't think a knife to the heart after being bayed by pigs would be humane........so.....Spectr...that lady will have to get her husband a hunt in a state that allows the take of pig with a knife.

Bingo!!!

 

[spectr17]

Got it thanks Pred1.

I guess "cruelly kills any animals" is open to interpretation on what is cruel. I've seen hogs taken apart piece by piece by a rifle hunter, remember the Big Horn Canyon video? I've also seen hogs stuck in the heart that died a fast and to me, humane death. We killed them on the farm with a big Arkansas toothpick if we didn't have a .22 handy.

 

[NorCal Cazadora]

Pigs at a high fence ranch aren't pets; they're livestock. So whatever laws apply to livestock would apply here, I would think. Killing pigs with knives is a longstanding practice, though in the agricultural model, it usually involves hog-tying them, then slitting their throats so they bleed out. Something tells me the Hawaiian way is different, maybe involving some stabbing?

 

[larrysogla]

If you paid a high fence owner to hunt hogs on his high fence property.......then it is hunting and as such must conform to the authorized method of taking big game....which is only the following.....centerfire rifle, centerfire pistol, bow, crossbow, muzzleloading or shotgun. When the word "hunt" is used in California.......knifing, spearing, clubbing are NOT LEGAL means of taking animals while hunting.....high fence or what not. Now........if you are going to harvest a farm raised hog for butchering(NOT HUNTING!!!).....then certainly a butcher knife or other knives will and can be used. When it comes to farm raised hogs, whether the domestic breed or some other exotic hog breed like European boar breedstock, you cannot use the word "hunting" or engaging in a "hunting activity" if you want to stick a knife on the farm raised hog..........just act like a normal farm butchering scenario where you catch the farm raised animal with a rope, a corral, or a trap and then stick the knife on the captive farm raised hog and then butcher for meat consumption. Never use the word hunting or engage in a hunting activity.
'Nuff said
larrysogla

 

[RIFLEMAN]

Taking a hog (Sus scrofa) with a knife would be legal under the following provisions:
1. Owner of property and hog possesses a game breeder's permit.
2. Hog is taken within an escape-proof enclosure.
3. Hog may be marked with an ear tag identifying the owner of the hog.
4. Hog must not be killed by shooting except when practicing or training hunting dogs.


larry,

You are allowed to call the activity whatever you want. There is no legal prohibition against referring to it as hunting in this case, just as there is no legal provision against the use of the term, "hunting" at bird clubs. The laws governing the take of an animal raised on a game farm are not the same as those governing the take of an animal off of a game farm such as an absence of bag limits and the taking of either sex game birds.

 

[Facon Blanco]

Hello folks, I am new to this site/forum and I have a question. I live in Gilbert Arizona and I breed Dogo Argentinos and obviously hunt Boar with them using just my dogs and knife. The problem is that I am tired of driving to San Antonio Texas twice a year because it's roughly a 16 hour drive each way. Here in AZ we don't have feral pigs or boars etc. we only have Javelina and I am not allowed to hunt them with dogs and knife, not that I even want to. I am looking for a place closer to home, perhaps somewhere in Southern California. Does anyone have any suggestions and or recommendations. Hawaii and Florida are too far and so is the South. Thanks for any info provided and haoppy hunting to all.

 

[FLCRACKER]

Hello folks, I am new to this site/forum and I have a question. I live in Gilbert Arizona and I breed Dogo Argentinos and obviously hunt Boar with them using just my dogs and knife. The problem is that I am tired of driving to San Antonio Texas twice a year because it's roughly a 16 hour drive each way. Here in AZ we don't have feral pigs or boars etc. we only have Javelina and I am not allowed to hunt them with dogs and knife, not that I even want to. I am looking for a place closer to home, perhaps somewhere in Southern California. Does anyone have any suggestions and or recommendations. Hawaii and Florida are too far and so is the South. Thanks for any info provided and haoppy hunting to all.

search for info on feral hogs in New Mexico I read somewhere before that there wer small populations that guys were chasing around!! you might have to dig for the info pretty hard though.I hope that helps you out!

 

[JNDEER]

Hello folks, I am new to this site/forum and I have a question. I live in Gilbert Arizona and I breed Dogo Argentinos and obviously hunt Boar with them using just my dogs and knife. The problem is that I am tired of driving to San Antonio Texas twice a year because it's roughly a 16 hour drive each way. Here in AZ we don't have feral pigs or boars etc. we only have Javelina and I am not allowed to hunt them with dogs and knife, not that I even want to. I am looking for a place closer to home, perhaps somewhere in Southern California. Does anyone have any suggestions and or recommendations. Hawaii and Florida are too far and so is the South. Thanks for any info provided and haoppy hunting to all.

per the conversation listed above, it is Illegal in CA to kill a pig with a knife.

 

[RIFLEMAN]

per the conversation listed above, it is Illegal in CA to kill a pig with a knife.

Per the stipulations I listed above, it would be legal in CA to kill a pig with a knife.