who's the A-hole running dog(s) at lake sonoma was there over the weekend hunting yorty creek area stepped out of my ground blind to stretch my legs heard something running towards me knocked an arrow real quick turned around and here this dog running at me first taught was poor thing seperated from her owner then i notice the neck protector on her then she takes off watched her for 15 minutes she was running in and out thick shrubs till she was out of sight then an hour passed decided to get out of my blind and do a little glassing glassed acrossed the ridge and saw 2 guys with the same dog now. who ever you are know the rules and hope you get caught!
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Fredneck,
Not sure if this is true, but I was hunting and bumped into a fellow archer, who asked me if I had heard about the "controversy".
According to him, about 4 weeks ago, a bordering ranch, who guides on the NW end of the lake (Yorty Area), had his dogs run about .75 miles into Lake Sonoma property for his client. Way, way over the border.
Well, apparently the dogs chased a pig and cornered it right in front of a Lake Sonoma archer. The archer shot, but hit the dog, which was worth thousands of $'s. The dog bled out and died.
Not sure how it was resolved, as both parties were in the wrong. Anybody else hear of this?
Bummer about the dog ruining your hunt. That sucks! Maybe call and report the incident to the visitors center?
Not sure if this is true, but I was hunting and bumped into a fellow archer, who asked me if I had heard about the "controversy".
According to him, about 4 weeks ago, a bordering ranch, who guides on the NW end of the lake (Yorty Area), had his dogs run about .75 miles into Lake Sonoma property for his client. Way, way over the border.
Well, apparently the dogs chased a pig and cornered it right in front of a Lake Sonoma archer. The archer shot, but hit the dog, which was worth thousands of $'s. The dog bled out and died.
Not sure how it was resolved, as both parties were in the wrong. Anybody else hear of this?
Bummer about the dog ruining your hunt. That sucks! Maybe call and report the incident to the visitors center?
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To bad for the guy running his dogs illegaly. Shouldnt have been there, Take the dog to a taxidermist and mount it.
I talked to a guide/rancher at the Sportsman’s Expo last month that told me the story.
He said that the dogs had found a pig and started the chase. The dogs were too far up to control and that they followed the pig across the fence/border. Unfortunately the dogs do not understand borders or fences when in the chase. The dogs caught the pig just on the other side of the fence where the hunter saw the dog pile and fired into the mess.
When the guide/rancher got to the dogs the hunter was there and looked rather confused. He quietly stated that one of the dogs was hurt and the left the area.
They had no idea the dog was hit with a broadhead until after the hunter had left quietly.
From what he said the dog was their prized catch hound and cost over $6500. He also said that if they had known that the hunter killed the dog, things would have ended differently.
As a hunter who has spent A LOT of time walking around LS with my bow in hand, I have mixed feelings about the dogs being able to get access the fences. If anything though, they are just driving the pigs back to where we can get at them, so it can't be all bad.
Either way, a hunter shooting into that mess of dogs baying a pig is just wrong, even on public/ACE land.
He said that the dogs had found a pig and started the chase. The dogs were too far up to control and that they followed the pig across the fence/border. Unfortunately the dogs do not understand borders or fences when in the chase. The dogs caught the pig just on the other side of the fence where the hunter saw the dog pile and fired into the mess.
When the guide/rancher got to the dogs the hunter was there and looked rather confused. He quietly stated that one of the dogs was hurt and the left the area.
They had no idea the dog was hit with a broadhead until after the hunter had left quietly.
From what he said the dog was their prized catch hound and cost over $6500. He also said that if they had known that the hunter killed the dog, things would have ended differently.
As a hunter who has spent A LOT of time walking around LS with my bow in hand, I have mixed feelings about the dogs being able to get access the fences. If anything though, they are just driving the pigs back to where we can get at them, so it can't be all bad.
Either way, a hunter shooting into that mess of dogs baying a pig is just wrong, even on public/ACE land.
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Tino B,
Thanks for posting this, that's exactly what I heard happened as well. I didn't really reply due to me knowing "the guide" was hoping someone else would. Bummer either way for sure.
Thanks for posting this, that's exactly what I heard happened as well. I didn't really reply due to me knowing "the guide" was hoping someone else would. Bummer either way for sure.
Personally I wouldn't hunt with dogs, and think the archer should have known better. Not to mention LS makes a big deal about telling it's hunters to stay off private property yet the guides on private property don't seem to be controlling their dogs if the story above is true. In any case, what I find disturbing is the mention that "He also said that if they had known that the hunter killed the dog, things would have ended differently." So WTF! Are these guys going to kill someone over thier own screw up?. If that is the case do bowhunters, following all the rules at LS, need to carry a firearm with them for self protection from some idiots like these? Makes steam come out of my ears just thinking about this and I haven't even had a chance to hunt there this season even though I registered within the first two weeks it was allowed. Finding a place to hunt around here is hard enough. Stuff like this can only make it worse.
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what would you guys say if your heard from the archer FIRST before the guide-- could the story go like this, dog gets on the pig and chases it from private property onto the Army corp of ENG. property--lone bowhunter sees pig coming with NO dog in pursuit and dispatches pig! shortly there after hurt dog comes onto the scene and shortly there after that 4 guys with rifles arrive and blame lone bowhunter for injured dog and lay claim to hog--smart lone bowhunter decide to leave pig and hunt another day
Personally, I carry a cell phone and have no problem using it! If we police our own ranks we can curb some of these problems. In Pa we wore our license on our back with our license number in large black letters. It helps the game warden when there's a problem.
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A dog on a hog scent is impossible to control. While the houndsmen enjoy a much higher success rate, so it is they bare all responsibility for where their dogs roam. If a dog/dogs chase a hog onto my ranch, the dog owner is paying a fee to get his dog back. The fee covers my time/effort to catch his dog, loss of my day in the field, disturbence/disbursment of game on my property.
The guy that shot that dog should go to jail, no excuse for that.
The guy that shot that dog should go to jail, no excuse for that.
So what should be the penalty for a land/ranch owner who's dog enters a closed zone? If sombodies hound ruins my hunt do I have the right to charge them for my hunting fee, food and gas to get there? How about the days wage I lost on a bad hunt because of an out of control dog? What if I feel threatened by a dog? Do I have the right to protect myself?
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Whoa!!!! slow down everybody! First of all, and most importantly...Who the hell shoots at a pig/dog pile with a bow? It obviously was a bad shot, and the outcome was tragic. Secondly, you are on public ground and are not entitled to a perfect hunt with no interruptions. Freezer are you going to have the same reaction if hikers bust your hunt too? There are plenty of hikers out there and a lot of them would love an opportunity to stop the evil hunter from killing a sweet little pig. PUBLIC GROUND!!! That's why there are so many people out there.
I think this archer was way out of line, and if it were my dog the results would be different as well. Does that mean I would shoot the guy? No, but I would seek damages from him the same if he destroyed any of my property valued at $6500. Furthermore, if you see what is obviously somebody else's operation going on, whether it's somebody else's decoy bringing in a big Tom turkey, or a group of dogs outfitted up for chasing hogs you have no business trying to capitalize on their game. If you do I call you a thief.
The world is not perfect and if this guide is who I think he is, his stewardship for the land and his track record so far should go into consideration before any type of penalty is dreamed up by the archer crowd who feel wronged by this one incident. IF it happened numerous times I would consider taking action but like what was said earlier, ther's not a whole lot you can do if the pig crosses the border and the dogs go after it. Thing is, this might hurt the guide monetarily, but it wreaks havoc on the reputation of archery hunts at Lake Sonoma. They used to allow slug hunting there as well, and when the public who is overwhelmingly non hunter hears about this tale it only brings bow hunting one step closer to not happening at all.
A quote above stated that it was the guides screw up that had to be paid for by the archer. But I found it to be the complete opposite. The guides situation would have ended with an animal taken on LS property, (if it was taken at all), but the archer's screw up resulted in a dead dog, a lost source of revenue, and a huge investment blown. And on top of that a blemish on the face of bow hunting at Lake Sonoma.
I think this archer was way out of line, and if it were my dog the results would be different as well. Does that mean I would shoot the guy? No, but I would seek damages from him the same if he destroyed any of my property valued at $6500. Furthermore, if you see what is obviously somebody else's operation going on, whether it's somebody else's decoy bringing in a big Tom turkey, or a group of dogs outfitted up for chasing hogs you have no business trying to capitalize on their game. If you do I call you a thief.
The world is not perfect and if this guide is who I think he is, his stewardship for the land and his track record so far should go into consideration before any type of penalty is dreamed up by the archer crowd who feel wronged by this one incident. IF it happened numerous times I would consider taking action but like what was said earlier, ther's not a whole lot you can do if the pig crosses the border and the dogs go after it. Thing is, this might hurt the guide monetarily, but it wreaks havoc on the reputation of archery hunts at Lake Sonoma. They used to allow slug hunting there as well, and when the public who is overwhelmingly non hunter hears about this tale it only brings bow hunting one step closer to not happening at all.
A quote above stated that it was the guides screw up that had to be paid for by the archer. But I found it to be the complete opposite. The guides situation would have ended with an animal taken on LS property, (if it was taken at all), but the archer's screw up resulted in a dead dog, a lost source of revenue, and a huge investment blown. And on top of that a blemish on the face of bow hunting at Lake Sonoma.
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“All we want are the facts, ma'am" (Joe Friday, Dragnet)
I understand that at least one of the posters on this thread talked to the guide in question who came upon the scene after the dog was injured. However, it appears the bow hunter is “unknown” and not heard from. Thus no one really knows what action he/she took, e.g. shot into the “dog pile” or what? I gather but have not seen the fact clearly stated that the dog in question was found with an arrow or a clean through arrow wound? If anyone has this information, it would be interesting. Clearly this is a “lose” – “lose” situation for the hunter, the guide and the community who hunts there. Any clarity of facts is would be valuable as imagination & exaggeration abound in the absence of facts (or even when they are in hand). Thanks...
I understand that at least one of the posters on this thread talked to the guide in question who came upon the scene after the dog was injured. However, it appears the bow hunter is “unknown” and not heard from. Thus no one really knows what action he/she took, e.g. shot into the “dog pile” or what? I gather but have not seen the fact clearly stated that the dog in question was found with an arrow or a clean through arrow wound? If anyone has this information, it would be interesting. Clearly this is a “lose” – “lose” situation for the hunter, the guide and the community who hunts there. Any clarity of facts is would be valuable as imagination & exaggeration abound in the absence of facts (or even when they are in hand). Thanks...
The only facts are that dogs chasing a pig crossed over onto A.C.E land and in the process one dog was mortally wounded by a bow hunter’s arrow.
You could point out all the details in the world but a dog died because of a careless mistake.
I talked to the guide and he seemed generally choked up about the loss of his dog. I don’t think he would have tried to harm the bow hunter, just hold him financially responsible.
The guide seemed like a quality operation, one that I would consider if I had the cash. He told my friend and I the story after we had talked a while. He never mentioned taking their firearms across the property line or what happened to the pig.
You could point out all the details in the world but a dog died because of a careless mistake.
I talked to the guide and he seemed generally choked up about the loss of his dog. I don’t think he would have tried to harm the bow hunter, just hold him financially responsible.
The guide seemed like a quality operation, one that I would consider if I had the cash. He told my friend and I the story after we had talked a while. He never mentioned taking their firearms across the property line or what happened to the pig.
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Understood
Thanks Tino B. It is nice to hear it from someone who had it from the guide in what sounds like a dispassionate fashion. I appreciate what you say and I feel regret what happened to the guide's dog. Yes it was a mistake (hopefully an accident) on the part of the hunter but without knowing what he saw/did, it is not possible to judge if it was clear dumb ass mistake - he shot into a "dog pile" as someone suggested or if the one dog was chasing the hog and he missed the hog and got the dog in his excitement. Either way it is a lose/lose situation but one is more of an accident while the other is a DS mistake. It is unfortunate that the hunter wasn't more forthcoming with guide at the time but I can understand he may have had concerns (imagined more than real) for his safety simply being alone out there and realizing what he'd done, I'm not suggesting that the guide was in anyway threatening.
Thanks Tino B. It is nice to hear it from someone who had it from the guide in what sounds like a dispassionate fashion. I appreciate what you say and I feel regret what happened to the guide's dog. Yes it was a mistake (hopefully an accident) on the part of the hunter but without knowing what he saw/did, it is not possible to judge if it was clear dumb ass mistake - he shot into a "dog pile" as someone suggested or if the one dog was chasing the hog and he missed the hog and got the dog in his excitement. Either way it is a lose/lose situation but one is more of an accident while the other is a DS mistake. It is unfortunate that the hunter wasn't more forthcoming with guide at the time but I can understand he may have had concerns (imagined more than real) for his safety simply being alone out there and realizing what he'd done, I'm not suggesting that the guide was in anyway threatening.
