Landlocked BLM land ?

[ooja]

I am a newbie hog hunter (doing this 3 years, public land, seen lots of em on private land nearby, tons of sign, no success). I have been hunting with a friend named Jeremy who assists a guide in Central Cal. We have been looking into different areas of BLM land, and have found many, but have also found that many of these parcels are landlocked. That is to say they are surrounded by private land, and the roads and paths into them are not accessable. I am confused. Does this mean that the private land owners are the only people who have access to this BLM land?

Next ?: it is a well known fact that most major hog populations spend their time on private land and are only transitory on adjacent public land plots. If I am on public land, and shoot a hog that runs to private land, I forsee some conflicts with private land owners. How is this handled? It seems to me I would mark the spot the hog was shot, and the blood trail then try to find the private land owner? I don't want to cross any fences without permission carrying a firearm, and am not too keen on the idea of leaving my firearm back on the public while I go after a wounded hog with only a knife, although if I was found by the landowner, it would look better than if I was carrying my rifle. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

 

[Rancho Loco]

You've got the right idea on the landlocked BLM parcels. I suppose if you can get your hands on a helo, you'd be okay. In fact, I think there was someone who was doing that in Cen Cal., but I'm pretty sure they got in trouble for something.

Good luck on getting permission to transit private land to get to those BLM parcels, too. I'm not saying it's impossible, just gonna be some work. I'd suggest starting off by offering to shoot ground squirrels on the owners land, and then work up a relationship.

As for pursuing game onto private land, you need to go find permission, or call DFG to go after it. The rules are pretty specific, and you can find more info here if you do a search, or on the Cal DFG website.

Good luck and welcome to Jesse's

 

[bigtusker]

You are correct, landlocked BLM property is only accessible by the landowners directly ajacent to the property.
If you shot one on public and it went on to private, I'd do all I could to find the landowner or one of his agents. Or better yet, try to contact him prior to going hunting and tell him your situation. Advise him that you will be there and want to do whatever it takes to avoid trespassing. And ask him what you should do if a wounded hog travels on to his property.

 

[HOGHUNTER714]

Cant add anything else...Make sure you use ALL your resources before crossing "the" fence....

 

[7magHunter]

Reading this topic makes me

, "LOL ",

Many of you may disagree with my comment, BUT BUT, BLM it's public plain & simply!!
anyone should have the right to get access to Blm land, it doesn't matter if private
land surrounds the area, it will be like if some private property it's all fence up arround
Yosemite National Park, what people supposed to do???, land there by helicopter ???
C'mon lets make sense here! ! , I don't want to be rude!, but you guys sound like it's ok if they
take away public land access fom CA people, this should be 100% ilegal, my opinion
you should ask permission to the property owners to tresspas, in order to get to BLM,
" IF " the owner is not available or he just said NO, YOU CANNOT, I will report this to
BLM office, we should all get together on this fight!!

The same problem we had in the past years in the Malibu area, in So Ca, all these bunch
of rich A- holes properties were blocking beaches access to the public, they all got together, it
went to a State Court, and they got what"s people's right!!

PS: We all pay State taxes every day in Ca !!, we are paying for the rights to public
Parks, Beaches, National forest, desset areas, this is our state don't be weak
don't let them take away what it's yours.

 

[Cahunter]

I agree 100%. Htere is no way a guy should be able to buy a small piece of land that controlls the access to BLM and then just cut everyone off to it. We all pay for that land and its our to use. I think I remeber reading abouta guide that basically claim the BLM next to his ranch as his own and kicks people off when he finds them, telling them thats its private.

 

[wmidbrook]

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I'd suggest starting off by offering to shoot ground squirrels on the owners land, and then work up a relationship.[/b]

Any more, landowners are starting to fetch 100-150/day for prime ground squirrelin' in CA....blows my mind.

From KittlesOutdoors:
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Dove, Hog, Varmint: Guided hunts on a beautiful 6,000 acre coast range ranch are available this year. Dove hunts for the opening week (Monday, September 1st through Saturday September, 6th) are $100.00/day. There after the rate is $50/day.

Guided hog hunts are $150.00 for the trespass fee, and $250.00 for a harvest.

Varmint (squirrel, coyote) shoots are $150.00/day.[/b]

One way to get around landlocked BLM lands issues, is to charter a helicopter...but, that gets spendy in a big hurry....although there is an outfitter that is or was doing just that very succesfully from the sounds of it.

About 5 or 6 years ago I was actually looking into chartering helicopter flights into/out of hog areas....at the time, it was about the same as outfitter prices--in the $250 range for hogs. Now, I think you could charter a helicopter flight with a group of guys for much less than the current charge for huntin' hogs @ places like Tejon, etc.

 

[BigDog]

First of all, ooja, you are correct about needing permission to access the BLM property.

Now, I would like to comment on 7magHunter's post. You are right that BLM property is public land in the sense that it is managed by the BLM and the BLM is a government organization. You are wrong in your comparing of landlocked BLM property with beaches and Yosemite. And you are wrong about your paying taxes should entitle you to access this landlocked property.

Almost all of these landlocked BLM are pieces of property that nobody wanted when the state was being homesteaded. I have three such pieces on my Susanville property. In the 20's, people homesteaded the valuable property and left the rest. This caused patches of unowned property which ended up in the hands of the government. Along the way, the BLM was established to be in charge of this property. No money was ever spent to acquire it and trust me, no tax dollars are spent on maintaining it unless the people who own the surrounding property put up a big stink. My place is a perfect example. I am spending thousands of dollars to rehabilitate my property and the BLM property is a big fire hazard sitting in the middle of mine. After two years of letter writing and making phone calls, I am just now getting some response.

If you research the areas, you will find that most of these small plots of BLM land had the same or similar origin. Yosemite on the other hand has had a lot of money put into it including lots of public roads. As for the beach problem, that is exactly what you described. People buying up land to exclude others from accessing the public beach.

As for trespassing, that is a gamble that each individual has to consider. Like most land owners, I will prosecute anybody I catch that has not receive my permission.

 

[ooja]

Thank you all for not poking fun at my ignorance and offering me advice in these areas. I have even found two very tiny parcels that, on the BLM map go right up to a public highway, the highway actually crosses a corner of each of them. However, there is a fence going along both sides of the road the whole way, implying the highway does not cross them, and therefore there is no access. I am wondering if the private landowner in the area just ran a fence across a legal access point. However, I don't have to make my living off guiding and keeping people off of my land who didn't pay to be there, so I will just move on, I don't need the hassles. What I wish I could do is just find a place that is waaaaayyy back that is holding. I am in good shape, as is Jeremy. I would be willing to go 10+ miles back before getting into a good area and hunting it the following day. I won't be able to do this for much more than the next 10 years, time is taking its toll, so I am getting desperate on finding an area. I guess I will just keep looking...sigh.

 

[7magHunter]

Originally posted by BigDog@Dec 14 2004, 12:14 PM
First of all, ooja, you are correct about needing permission to access the BLM property.

Now, I would like to comment on 7magHunter's post. You are right that BLM property is public land in the sense that it is managed by the BLM and the BLM is a government organization. You are wrong in your comparing of landlocked BLM property with beaches and Yosemite. And you are wrong about your paying taxes should entitle you to access this landlocked property.

Almost all of these landlocked BLM are pieces of property that nobody wanted when the state was being homesteaded. I have three such pieces on my Susanville property. In the 20's, people homesteaded the valuable property and left the rest. This caused patches of unowned property which ended up in the hands of the government. Along the way, the BLM was established to be in charge of this property. No money was ever spent to acquire it and trust me, no tax dollars are spent on maintaining it unless the people who own the surrounding property put up a big stink. My place is a perfect example. I am spending thousands of dollars to rehabilitate my property and the BLM property is a big fire hazard sitting in the middle of mine. After two years of letter writing and making phone calls, I am just now getting some response.

If you research the areas, you will find that most of these small plots of BLM land had the same or similar origin. Yosemite on the other hand has had a lot of money put into it including lots of public roads. As for the beach problem, that is exactly what you described. People buying up land to exclude others from accessing the public beach.

As for trespassing, that is a gamble that each individual has to consider. Like most land owners, I will prosecute anybody I catch that has not receive my permission.

Bigdog,

I understand where you're coming from!!
you're thinking as a selfish landowner, excuses,excuses and more excuses, if
you don't respect my rights and lock all access to public land, I wouldn't respect yours
you can sue me if you want, at the same time you gonna have a lot of explain to the court,
why are you blocking public access, are you especting us to pay big $$$, for us the hunters
for just walking through your property?? and do we have to pay you back when we return to
home??, so if we pay it's ok??, otherwise it's ilegal ??, give us a break and find another honest way to make an income!!.

 

[SierraExplorer]

Originally posted by 7magHunter@Dec 14 2004, 12:49 PM
I understand where you're coming from!!
you're thinking as a selfish landowner, excuses,excuses and more excuses,

7Maghunter-

Apparently you rent your house and are not a home/trailer owner. That is the most assanine statement of the year. (And I made alot of them for the runner up

)

 

[Timjackson]

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(And I made alot of them for the runner up  )[/b]

Amen to that!!!

7Mag... Anyone caught walking across my place will pay a penalty of some sort!! It is mine, not yours and you are not welcome, so stay off.. All I need is a bunch of people walking through there and then stuff comes up missing.. Stands, feeders, tractors, etc....

 

[7magHunter]

See

,

They keep coming with a bunch BS excuses, stands, fedders, tractors, Yeah right!!, hunters are
gonna walk away with tractors, stands, ohh yeah !! I forgot!!, " the fedders " must be gold
plated, and what else you got so important wild brush?, rattlesnakes??, you may want to
think in buying an alarm system for your tractor, LOOK!!, the only excuse acceptable is
if you own cattle, sheep, or some type of plantation that you may worry can be damaged,
that's very truth and acceptable, even then the law said that if you kill a domestic farm animal
you're responsible and you must pay for damages.

There a lot of private land out there, that it's nothing but tall dry brush, and the only
BS excuse it's $$$$, BIG RIPOFF., you just can face the TRUTH.

 

[Timjackson]

Since you do not own any private land I will let your BS statements slide... You dont think they will steal a tractor.. Let me get my uncle to fax me the police report of the guys they caught last year stealing his tractor from our place.. Not to mention all the crap they took from the deer camp!!!! They loaded it onto a trailer and were about an hour away before the police caught up to them!!! As far as stands and feeders are concerned, they are stolen every day... You can get good money for them, so what makes you so damn sure that they would just leave them alone!!

I did not mention the cattle because most people know better than to mess with them.. It is a hell of a lot easier to heist a tractor than to change the brand on bunch of heifers and try to sell them....

If you do not know what you are talking about why do you keep running your mouth????

 

[SierraExplorer]

Originally posted by 7magHunter@Dec 14 2004, 02:08 PM
There a lot of private land out there, that it's nothing but tall dry brush, and the only
BS excuse it's $$$$, BIG RIPOFF., you just can face the TRUTH.

You said it yourself- It is- may I quote you? "PRIVATE LAND".

Mabey it is a conspiracy for all that "tall dry brush" to hide their Mary J trees and Meth labs to make them "Richer A-- Holes" and further screw you 7MagHunter- the working class dummy.

I am also "just" a working class dummy- with a mortage and a family. I am just gifted with a sprig more common sence that what you are posting.

Sorry to sound harsh- But there is always the Lottery for you (The state one

- not the Russian-

)

 

[7magHunter]

Originally posted by Timjackson@Dec 14 2004, 02:17 PM
Since you do not own any private land I will let your BS statements slide... You dont think they will steal a tractor.. Let me get my uncle to fax me the police report of the guys they caught last year stealing his tractor from our place.. Not to mention all the crap they took from the deer camp!!!! They loaded it onto a trailer and were about an hour away before the police caught up to them!!! As far as stands and feeders are concerned, they are stolen every day... You can get good money for them, so what makes you so damn sure that they would just leave them alone!!

I did not mention the cattle because most people know better than to mess with them.. It is a hell of a lot easier to heist a tractor than to change the brand on bunch of heifers and try to sell them....

If you do not know what you are talking about why do you keep running your mouth????

TimJackson,

police report???
you wanna see real crime and police report move down here in LA, !!
Because you got roobed once an a life time you're sooo worry, RIGHT!!
Hunters didn't steal your tractor or feeders, you may want to check your surrounding's
neihbor ??, what make you think that a hunter wants your farm equipment??
the way you said that they put a tractor in trailer and drive away!!, if someone wants
to make a good steal they will get a Lexus, BMW, or a mercedes, I think you're blameing
the hunters for your losses, I don't buy, it try again .

 

[bigtusker]

Bottom line is that if it's landlocked and you cant get permission to go in there, then the only way in is by helicopter.

 

[7magHunter]

Originally posted by bigtusker@Dec 14 2004, 02:53 PM
Bottom line is that if it's landlocked and you cant get permission to go in there, then the only way in is by helicopter.

Yes BIGTUSKER,

that's right, or parachute!!
just make sure when you're coming down to have your gun safety on LOL

 

[ImThere]

Bottom line if its mine its mine stay off unless you get permission! If I think somebody might steal something its my right to restrict access after all its MINE!


Ricky

 

[ooja]

Dang I am sorry all. I didn't mean to cause a commotion. For the record, I will respect the signs and fences. I don't want trouble, I just want to shoot a small hog for the fun and the eating, and I don't feel I can get that on a guided hunt. I am at an uncomfortable stage in my hunting skills, I am good at tracking, backpacking, know how to use a GPS well (I navigate the ocean all the time in my skiff with one), have National Forest, BLM, and 7 minute topo maps. I know how to get to any point using my equipment. I have backpacked for up to a week at a time in bear country. However, I don't have a good place to go.

From reading all the posts on this board, I thought I just had to work harder and find a good spot. I was just wondering what the deal is on the landlocked BLM land, I thought someone might tell me that I could get to these spots if they were BLM, I just hadn't found the way yet. I learned that was not the case. I will take a different route now, I will try to find some land that's holding that is very far back, with difficult trails that horses can't go on. I won't worry about finding one that is reasonably close to the truck anymore.

Someone mentioned feeders. I am in California. I thought it was illegal to hunt over bait here. What is the law on this? Are hogs considered barnyard animals, and therefore outside of this baiting law?

Thank you for the information. I may post if I ever get any luck, or if I have more questions.