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I dont have any info for ya, but CONGRATS!!!
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Congrats on the tag and good luck guys.
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what hunt 1st or 2nd
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Hey that is cool. My dad is about the same age and he drew a Book cliffs muzzleloader tag last year here in Utah. We had a riot. I am so glad we took the time to spend together. Soak it up friend. Those times with pop are priceless.
Good luck on the hunt. take loads of pictures for us.
Good luck on the hunt. take loads of pictures for us.
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And IMHO, as gyopo said look for access on private land, as that is where the bulk of the elk are. I see them all the time around Pozo, yet they are as untouchable as if the were in the zoo...No hunting allowed on any of those ranches and the ones like Twissleman's charge an arm and two legs for the hunting privileges...
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GUYS, THANKS FOR THE TIPS AS I WILL SPEAK FOR QUICKSOT, WE HAVE A PRIVATE RANCH ALREADY LINED UP,
WITH A MONSTER BULL PICKED OUT,HE WILL BE GETTIN 180 GRAINS FROM THE OLD MANS 300 WIN MAG.COME OPENING DAY, DAMN IM MORE EXCITED ABOUT THIS HUNT THAN I THINK POPS IS!!! KEEP YOU POSTED, RICHIE, FEEL FREE TO ADD YOUR THOUGHTS, ITS GONNA BE A GOOD ONE !
YOU GOT ONE HELL OF AN OLD MAN AND HE DESERVES THIS HUNT!!!
WITH A MONSTER BULL PICKED OUT,HE WILL BE GETTIN 180 GRAINS FROM THE OLD MANS 300 WIN MAG.COME OPENING DAY, DAMN IM MORE EXCITED ABOUT THIS HUNT THAN I THINK POPS IS!!! KEEP YOU POSTED, RICHIE, FEEL FREE TO ADD YOUR THOUGHTS, ITS GONNA BE A GOOD ONE !
YOU GOT ONE HELL OF AN OLD MAN AND HE DESERVES THIS HUNT!!!
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There are lots of elk available on public property now. Fish and Game has acquired several propreties in that area that hold elk year round. Combine that with some of the habitat improvements and elk are very available on public property. Talk to the unit biologist Bob Stafford (805)528-8670, he runs the hunts and does the counts. If the private thing does not pan out you should be able to find a bull on public property. Good luck and send me some pics after your hunt, jhobbs@dfg.ca.gov
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2nd period... bulls on public land?
Don't hold your breath. If you don't have private access 2nd period, forget it.
I've pulled the 2nd period bull tag twice. I've never seen an "elk" on public land during the 2nd season in La Panza. They shoot 'em 1st period, but not usually 2nd period.
You can sit around waiting for bulls to hop the fence onto public, but there's always some dill-weed herding the elk around with a quad or a pick-up or a helicopter to make sure they don't stray onto public.
I bit the bullet, paid my money, and got a great bull.
I'll never apply for La Panza again.
Don't hold your breath. If you don't have private access 2nd period, forget it.
I've pulled the 2nd period bull tag twice. I've never seen an "elk" on public land during the 2nd season in La Panza. They shoot 'em 1st period, but not usually 2nd period.
You can sit around waiting for bulls to hop the fence onto public, but there's always some dill-weed herding the elk around with a quad or a pick-up or a helicopter to make sure they don't stray onto public.
I bit the bullet, paid my money, and got a great bull.
I'll never apply for La Panza again.
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AW, c'mon Donald, you pulled a CA bull elk tag twice already? And now you telling folks it's no good? You sure you just ain't trying to keep other folks from trying to draw a tag for your honey hole and up the odds a bit for your 3rd tag? Just joshing a bit with you, but if the odds of drawing there get better in the stats next year I might give it a try, especially if 2nd period gets easy to draw -- it's close to me and I got points to burn anyway.
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DagNabbitt, You figured me out! LOL! Let me give you the long version!
It's important to note, when I pulled the tags, the Chimineas was still private and the unit didn't go past the 58. It's a different hunt now. If I got it again I'd hunt way further North, but still probably on private.
1st hunt, I booked a slot on private, so I didn't scout much, and then they shot all the bulls 1st period and the guy called and cancelled my hunt. I wasn't real happy, to say the least. So I was stuck hunting public and I never saw an elk during the season. I saw 3 cows when I scouted. But I never saw an antlered elk. Hunted mostly the 166 side, Blm and Los Padres Ground, backpacked into places where they had killed bulls 1st period, but they were blown(literally) out of there. One of the local guides gave me a heads up on some draws in the Caliente`, checked 'em out but there were no elk, no sign, no tracks. Might of been a smokescreen, but I like to think the guy was being sincere. My dad had just died and my head wasn't in the game for an extended solo hunt after 10 days, I'd had enough. I gave up 4 days of hunting, but I hadn't seen an elk, not even a cow, so I didn't feel like I was missing much. Bob Stafford got an earful from me on that hunt. Let's just say the hunt description read much different in the next year's hunting application booklet and the season was moved back a week to allow elk to settle down after the 1st period shoot-out.
2nd time, I hunted about 10 days on public, never saw an elk on public, but saw about 140 head on the Chimineas and 67 head on another ranch, can't recall the name, but the guy was ornery and there was never gonna be hunter set foot on his place while he was alive, by-golly! I offered to pay to hunt on the Chimineas, but they weren't interested. I ended up getting my bull on the Carissa Ranch, a respectable 6x7, 44" beams, 47" wide, couple chipped tines and a broken G2. I swung a deal where I hunted for free, but hit or miss, if i pulled the trigger I had to pay, because the elk would just jump the fence and never come back, so the ranch only had 1 opportunity to make any money. The outfit I hunted with, High Plains Outfitters, is long gone though, bunch of new people down there now running the ranch, don't know much about it, I think it may have even changed hands. I just remember the young guy running the orientation was new and he didn't really want to see any of those poor defenseless elk get killed. 1st time it was an older guy who was in full support of seeing as many elk as possible leave the unit in the back of pick-up trucks.
And the Ranch manager for the Chimineas at the time was a real Dill-weed, he showed up at the orientation and basically bawled out all the hunters and told us he had a video camera and was going to make sure we were prosecuted if we tresspassed on the Chimineas. That was the year they did the big round up with the helicopter between 1st and 2nd periods and ran them onto the Chimineas and then put out alfalfa to keep them there. I had backpacked in from the 166 side towards the SW corner of the Chimineas and it broke my heart to sit at the fence-line and look at 17 tule bulls, one was an 8x9, the biggest elk I've ever seen bedded down right next to the house. Saw some nice bucks on the public and some pig sign, but no elk.
Some of the cow hunters were successful on the American ranch and red-Rock area, but that was first light opening day, I was trying to stay away from the crowd and I know of at least one bull, a one-antlered 7 point killed over in Carrizo Plains, north of the main road out in the flats, N. of Painted Rocks, no secret there. Fish and Game has a list of default spots they always list that certainly aren't secrets, they never produced for me, but 1st period guys got into some action places like Pozo, and the "beehives" and one spot further West closer to the lake.
I always try to help the guys who pull the tag, but most of the public ground spots I know have only produced 1st period. I always put in for 2nd period because the odds were so good and I figured if I just hunted hard enough or could pay a tresspass fee, I could make it work. 1st go around I didn't have enough private ground leads and when the ranch I had arranged to hunt shot all their elk, I had no fall back plan and the surrounding ranches were already booked and the Chimineas wasn't taking hunters, and the big name local guide, nice guy, but he didn't like to hunt elk 2nd period and was booked doing something else. LOL!!!
I put in for the archery-only tule tags now. They didn't have method specific tags when I drew. I've probably used up all my luck for tule elk. Another tag would be great, but I'm not holding my breath, I just keep donating my $7.50 to support CA's Tule Elk.
It's important to note, when I pulled the tags, the Chimineas was still private and the unit didn't go past the 58. It's a different hunt now. If I got it again I'd hunt way further North, but still probably on private.
1st hunt, I booked a slot on private, so I didn't scout much, and then they shot all the bulls 1st period and the guy called and cancelled my hunt. I wasn't real happy, to say the least. So I was stuck hunting public and I never saw an elk during the season. I saw 3 cows when I scouted. But I never saw an antlered elk. Hunted mostly the 166 side, Blm and Los Padres Ground, backpacked into places where they had killed bulls 1st period, but they were blown(literally) out of there. One of the local guides gave me a heads up on some draws in the Caliente`, checked 'em out but there were no elk, no sign, no tracks. Might of been a smokescreen, but I like to think the guy was being sincere. My dad had just died and my head wasn't in the game for an extended solo hunt after 10 days, I'd had enough. I gave up 4 days of hunting, but I hadn't seen an elk, not even a cow, so I didn't feel like I was missing much. Bob Stafford got an earful from me on that hunt. Let's just say the hunt description read much different in the next year's hunting application booklet and the season was moved back a week to allow elk to settle down after the 1st period shoot-out.
2nd time, I hunted about 10 days on public, never saw an elk on public, but saw about 140 head on the Chimineas and 67 head on another ranch, can't recall the name, but the guy was ornery and there was never gonna be hunter set foot on his place while he was alive, by-golly! I offered to pay to hunt on the Chimineas, but they weren't interested. I ended up getting my bull on the Carissa Ranch, a respectable 6x7, 44" beams, 47" wide, couple chipped tines and a broken G2. I swung a deal where I hunted for free, but hit or miss, if i pulled the trigger I had to pay, because the elk would just jump the fence and never come back, so the ranch only had 1 opportunity to make any money. The outfit I hunted with, High Plains Outfitters, is long gone though, bunch of new people down there now running the ranch, don't know much about it, I think it may have even changed hands. I just remember the young guy running the orientation was new and he didn't really want to see any of those poor defenseless elk get killed. 1st time it was an older guy who was in full support of seeing as many elk as possible leave the unit in the back of pick-up trucks.
And the Ranch manager for the Chimineas at the time was a real Dill-weed, he showed up at the orientation and basically bawled out all the hunters and told us he had a video camera and was going to make sure we were prosecuted if we tresspassed on the Chimineas. That was the year they did the big round up with the helicopter between 1st and 2nd periods and ran them onto the Chimineas and then put out alfalfa to keep them there. I had backpacked in from the 166 side towards the SW corner of the Chimineas and it broke my heart to sit at the fence-line and look at 17 tule bulls, one was an 8x9, the biggest elk I've ever seen bedded down right next to the house. Saw some nice bucks on the public and some pig sign, but no elk.
Some of the cow hunters were successful on the American ranch and red-Rock area, but that was first light opening day, I was trying to stay away from the crowd and I know of at least one bull, a one-antlered 7 point killed over in Carrizo Plains, north of the main road out in the flats, N. of Painted Rocks, no secret there. Fish and Game has a list of default spots they always list that certainly aren't secrets, they never produced for me, but 1st period guys got into some action places like Pozo, and the "beehives" and one spot further West closer to the lake.
I always try to help the guys who pull the tag, but most of the public ground spots I know have only produced 1st period. I always put in for 2nd period because the odds were so good and I figured if I just hunted hard enough or could pay a tresspass fee, I could make it work. 1st go around I didn't have enough private ground leads and when the ranch I had arranged to hunt shot all their elk, I had no fall back plan and the surrounding ranches were already booked and the Chimineas wasn't taking hunters, and the big name local guide, nice guy, but he didn't like to hunt elk 2nd period and was booked doing something else. LOL!!!
I put in for the archery-only tule tags now. They didn't have method specific tags when I drew. I've probably used up all my luck for tule elk. Another tag would be great, but I'm not holding my breath, I just keep donating my $7.50 to support CA's Tule Elk.
Thanks guys for all the support and info about 5 minutes after we found out my dad had drew this tag hatchet and I were on the phone with a buddy that has access to several ranches that seldom get hunted for elk we secured my old man a spot for opening day my dad will be the only one hunting elk on these ranches this year are buddy assured me my dad will kill a monster as hatchet said we are more excited about this hunt then any of are own.
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Not sure when you hunted the La Panza zone but last year 5 out of 6 bulls for period 2 were killed on Public, 3 out of 5 for period 1 killed on Public. For 2006, Period 1- 3 killed on public, Period 2 - 3 killed on public. For 2005 period 1 - only two bulls harvested were on public, period 2 - 3 out of 4 were killed on public. I would say things are improving pretty good in the last three years. I did not check any further back than that. This herd contintues to expand and a lot of their time is spent on public property as the telemetry locations indicate.
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Thanks Joe for the heads up, those #'s are encouraging.
Guys do it every year. I just wasn't one of those guys. In my personal experience I have never seen a tule bull on public land in the La Panza unit between Hwy 58 and Hwy 166, during a period 2 season. When I hunted it is was only SLO and Kern counties.
Guys do it every year. I just wasn't one of those guys. In my personal experience I have never seen a tule bull on public land in the La Panza unit between Hwy 58 and Hwy 166, during a period 2 season. When I hunted it is was only SLO and Kern counties.
