Method of take

[Cold1nhand]

Alright, alright everyone. Here is something that should help calm the situation:

 

[upper]

Thanks,Bayed,Bigworm and Jackrabbit.Bigworm,if the big game is taken then you can stick it with what ever you want.Again if a deer is alive,can you cut its throat? Upper

 

[DanV]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bayedsolid @ Apr 28 2008, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DanV @ Apr 28 2008, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What a MESS ! My personal take on this is that it does not matter what your personal opinions are , laws are made and meant to be followed - weather you agree or not .

There are lots of rules / regulations that I don't care for or agree with , but I have to follow the law or pay the price . Those of you who do as you please reguardless of the law will eventually get caught and pay the price ![/b]

Unless I missed a post, I don't see where anyone here said they weren't following the law. Complaining about laws they don't agree with, yes, but nobody stated they were 'doing as they please' as you put it.
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Lets see , some are unsure of # of dogs to be used per hunter and also still unknown or dissagreeing as to wether or not you can finish a pig ( or deer ) off with a blade .

Maybe a peek into the Hunting Regs might help , I have no idea as I don't hunt with a dog and my taking of a big game animal begins and ends with a bullet or two . Bayedsolid , not quite sure why you are getting upset over my opinion as I only stated that a hunter should just go by the regulations ? From what I read here , some will finish a hog with a knife because THEY believe that is just , even if it is contrary to the law .

 

[upper]

Hey Dan,canyou finish a deer with a knife??? Upper

 

[bigworm]

This is out of the DFG Regulations. These are the only methods authorized, so I guess the answer is no, you can not finish with a knife.
I was always told by people I know you could, but until some one told me where does it say that? I had not thought about it.
I had a DFG case go to court about 9 years ago. At that time I stated the dogs had pretty much killed a small hog, and I put it out of it misery. That is why I had blood on my knife. The method of take was never questioned.


353. Methods Authorized for Taking Big
Game.
(a) Except for the provisions of subsections
353(b) through (g), title 14, CCR, big game (as
defined by section 350, title 14, CCR) may only
be taken by rifles using centerfire cartridges with
softnose or expanding bullets; bow and arrow
(see section 354, title 14, CCR, for archery
equipment regulations); or wheellock, matchlock,
flintlock or percussion type, including “in-line”
muzzleloading rifles using black powder or
equivalent black powder substitute, including
pellets, with single ball or bullet loaded from the
muzzle and at least .40 caliber in designation.
(b) Shotguns capable of holding not more than
three shells firing single slugs may be used for
the taking of deer, bear and wild pigs. In areas
where the discharge of rifles or shotguns with
slugs is prohibited by county ordinance, shotguns
capable of holding not more than three shells
firing size 0 or 00 buckshot may be used for the
taking of deer only.
© Pistols and revolvers using centerfire cartridges
with softnose or expanding bullets may
be used to take deer, bear, and wild pigs.
(d) Pistols and revolvers with minimum barrel
lengths of 4 inches, using centerfire cartridges
with softnose or expanding bullets may be used
to take elk and bighorn sheep.
(e) Except as provided in subsection 354(j),
crossbows may be used to take deer and wild
pigs only during the regular seasons.
(f) Under the provisions of a muzzleloading
rifle only tag, hunters may only possess muzzleloading
rifles as described in subsection 353(a)
equipped with open or “peep” type sights only.
(g) Under the provisions of a muzzleloading
rifle/archery tag, hunters may only possess
muzzleloading rifles with sights as described
in subsection 353(f); archery equipment as
described in Section 354; or both. For purposes
of this subsection, archery equipment does
not include crossbows, except as provided in
subsection 354(j).

 

[ltdann]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Flatbroke @ Apr 27 2008, 09:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

A tool that complies with section 353 of the CA DFG 2007-2008 hunting regulations (page 16). Take a look at it, you will find all answers to your questions.

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and there's this:

"Definition of “Take”: to hunt, pursue, catch,
capture or kill or attempt to hunt, pursue,
catch, capture or kill. (Fish and Game Code
Section 86.)"

I guessing if your rifle had a bayonet lug, you could do the lung twist action on the hog.

 

[DanV]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (upper @ Apr 30 2008, 06:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Hey Dan,canyou finish a deer with a knife??? Upper[/b]

Upper ,

No idea especially as I don't think that is too bright of an idea personally ! A couple of deer I have shot from high on a ridge above them had busted backs and still plenty scared / pissed off enough to maybe finish ME off with their antlers if I got within reach . Thats where another bullet comes into play . I start and finish my take with a bullet , I'm not adventurous enough to cut their throats .

 

[Flatbroke]

thats a pretty good answer danV. I am in agreement with you.

 

[bigtusker]

What's a woodchuck?

 

[jackrabbit]

Ditto what Dan V said. I've had too many head bumps from my playful German Shorthair when I've tried to hold him down -- and he don't got antlers. Also, I've read plenty of news stories over the years about deer hunters getting killed by antlers when trying to finish off a deer with a knife. OH, and I don't subscribe to bleeding out a deer by cutting its throat after it is dead either -- for some strange reason, seems like the blood tends to come out when I gut them. On the light side, seems like fair play to do it like the other guys in the news over the years -- hit them with the vehicle and then throw them into the passenger compartment, that way when they come-to they get to try to fight their way out!!!

 

[Flatbroke]

do you know why animals used to be killed by cutting their throats while still alive?

 

[Common Sense]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DanV @ Apr 30 2008, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

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Hey Dan,canyou finish a deer with a knife??? Upper[/b]

Upper ,

No idea especially as I don't think that is too bright of an idea personally ! A couple of deer I have shot from high on a ridge above them had busted backs and still plenty scared / pissed off enough to maybe finish ME off with their antlers if I got within reach . Thats where another bullet comes into play . I start and finish my take with a bullet , I'm not adventurous enough to cut their throats .
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A voice of reason on this thread.

 

[gsparcher47]

not sure who would argue against killing the downed game in the quickest and most humane way possibe, but then again i'm not sure why anyone would be a vegetarian either.

 

[JNDEER]

i like the point upper brings up... and in answering your questin Upper...NO you cannot use a knife to finish big game animals. In fact using a dog to "take" a big game animal is not an exception in section 353 (b-g)...so section 265 says "take" is ok (with conditions), however section 353 says NO? Is that how you see it upper?

--so if you are "scouting" in the woods with only a knife at your side can you be cited for unlwaful method of take? Can you be considered pursuing game?

think about it.



there are many laws that are not cut and dry...so you have to rely on a Warden to use his judgement to make a logical decision as to what you are doing. Yes 100% a Warden could site you for this..is he going to..NO (IMO), because that is not the intent of the law. IMO

 

[upper]

Dan,thank you for your answer.A lot of red rider BB guns put an eye out,The point here is not if it is the best idea to cut or bleed an animal,or how safe it is to slide in and put the 110 at an angle just behind the shoulder of a hog.The point is at what time the animal is taken and or in possession....Upper Oh Tusker you never heard that toung twister? Some areas call the Marmot a rock chuck or woodchuck.I did not know this till I asked Sally,She sells sea shels down by the sea shore.........................Got to keep that perfect rythnm.

 

[bayedsolid]

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Bayedsolid , not quite sure why you are getting upset over my opinion as I only stated that a hunter should just go by the regulations ?[/b]

I never got upset. I only stated I didn't see where anybody said they were breaking any laws.

I don't think someone would really be saving much by finishing a deer or anything else with a knife. A shot high in the neck doesn't waste much meat, or even behind the shoulder only costs a few ribs.....Well.....I guess it also costs a $4 copper bullet if you are shooting my rifle. I know, I know....that's another topic.

 

[gsparcher47]

i understand you guys are talking about big game but what is the difference between finshing a paralyzed deer with a knife vs. killing a crippled duck by breaking its neck or hitting it in the head

 

[DanV]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (upper @ Apr 30 2008, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Dan,thank you for your answer.A lot of red rider BB guns put an eye out,The point here is not if it is the best idea to cut or bleed an animal,or how safe it is to slide in and put the 110 at an angle just behind the shoulder of a hog.The point is at what time the animal is taken and or in possession....Upper Oh Tusker you never heard that toung twister? Some areas call the Marmot a rock chuck or woodchuck.I did not know this till I asked Sally,She sells sea shels down by the sea shore.........................Got to keep that perfect rythnm.[/b]

Upper , you asked me if I could finish off a deer with a knife ! I could but would not for the reason I stated above , plus it is not legal in California . As far as " take " , that includes everything from the pursuit , attempt to take and any other time up to and including the killing of a animal . Fish & Game states this clearly in the regs , it is stated earlier in this thread.

Daisey Red Ryder BB Gun , what does that have to do with anything ?

 

[BGH831]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (upper @ Apr 27 2008, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I'LL TURN IT UP SOME MORE,You cannot posess it untill you take it.But when is it took? Also,how much wood could a woochuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? Upper[/b]

I'm gonna guess 1/8 cord a week? Is there a prize for closest awnser?

 

[upper]

That is correct BG,now if you can guess the amount of sea shells sally sells,You will win a peck of pickle peppers.Can you TAKE it? Upper