Method of take

[Flatbroke]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (upper @ Apr 27 2008, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Flat, right now there are no limitations on number of dogs.What do you do when you harvast one?One dog ,Ten dogs it does not matter...Upper[/b]

LOL.

After we harvest a hog we eat them

 

[BOWUNTR]

Relax boys! I went somewhere else for a while. Flatbroke, No it wasn't directed at you. Upper, I have nothing to say to you. No reason to.

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At least half of the animals hit with a bow and arrow are lost[/b]

This quote right here is ignorant. No facts and not even close to being true. Just an ignorant statement that pisses me off. Why slam bowhunting when this post doesn't even mention bowhunting??? It's a free country.. post away and I'll call this statement BS... til I die. Ed F

 

[upper]

Spear chucker Ed,This is a topic I started and I would realllllllly like your response to the QQQuestion,How Upper is that for a reason?

 

[BOWUNTR]

Go easy on the name calling Upper, I've got a hot temper. My answer to your question is... when it no longer breathes. I knew better than to jump in to this one... I saw all the warning signs... yet I took the bait anyways. I've said my peace and I'm gonna go away and drink a beer. Cheers

Ed F

 

[upper]

There you go Ed,easy deal..Thanks Upper

 

[PORCH]

After reading this thread numerous times, I've determined that Upper has some valid points. When is it deterimed that you can knife a hog? Does it have to be completely dead before you bust out the knife? I know of lots of situations where hunters have finished off an animal with a knife because they don't want to put another bullet in it. Is that legal? Personally I feel that if someone wants to knife a hog they should be able to.

As for the bowhunting comment. I'm not sure what kind of percentage of animals are lost and 50% is probably too high but I bet it is higher than most of us think. There are a lot of people out there that only pick up their bow once a year and will fling an arrow at every animal they see regardless of whether they have an ethical shot or not. You have to factor that into the equation. Not all hunters are responsible.

 

[Flatbroke]

Not sure if it would matter if the proper answer is given. I gave the answer to the amount of dogs that can be used.

 

[upper]

OK bottom line Flat,what kills the hoggggggggggggggggggggg Upper

 

[bayedsolid]

I just got back home and it looks like I touched a nerve a bit. It was not my intention to bash archery hunting. I was just using that scenario to show how silly it looks to me that F&G says it is okay to shoot an animal with an arrow but it's not okay to use a knife.
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This quote right here is ignorant. No facts and not even close to being true. Just an ignorant statement that pisses me off.[/b]

I'd let it go completely if it weren't for being called ignorant and way off the mark here so here is my explanation.....like it or not. Do a search of Choppers archery hunts. It seemed like everytime a group went out there there was a hog hit and lost. It is just the nature of archery hunting. I have personally talked to guys that run archery only hunting ranches and 'bout 50/50 was the norm for found/lost game. I archery hunt and I have lost game and have piles of experience hearing stories of lost archery kills. I was only stating what I have experienced. I was just using it as a comparison and did not mean to offend all of you archery hunters here that obviously never ever miss the kill spot. In the unlikely event that you do miss the heart, you don't just miss by 6,8,or 10 inches and cripple the animal as common sense would tell you would be the case. If you miss, it is a minimum of 3 to 4 feet or more so the animal runs off unharmed. With that being said, I really don't want to fight anymore so if you still don't agree, I'm alright with that.

 

[upper]

Thanks Bayed,now if we could get back to the first question.50 percent of the archers might agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Upper

 

[Flatbroke]

A tool that complies with section 353 of the CA DFG 2007-2008 hunting regulations (page 16). Take a look at it, you will find all answers to your questions.

 

[upper]

And Flatbroke,do those agree with most dog hunters? Can they be twisted.How about,yea I shot him in the ear and finished him with my k- bar.Strickly a hog thing not a deer or bear thing. Upper

 

[bayedsolid]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (upper @ Apr 27 2008, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Thanks Bayed,now if we could get back to the first question.50 percent of the archers might agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Upper[/b]

What was the question?

And really....even if it was only 5% of archery kills lost, that's 5% more than a knife would lose. That was the point I was trying to make before I offended the masses. Seriously though, I do realize that it is frustrating when someone makes a comment or observation that views the sport you love dearly in a bit of a bad way, even if it's true. So, I do apologise. It was unintenional.

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How about,yea I shot him in the ear and finished him with my k- bar.Strickly a hog thing not a deer or bear thing. Upper[/b]

Well, now I'm wondering too. You know upper, if you keep asking these questions F&G is going to come out with another tag that we have to buy to finish crippled hogs.

 

[Flatbroke]

Im not sure what the opinion of "most hog hunters" is. Whats your opinion on the bifurcated questions you asked? surely they must be rhetorical.

 

[THE ROMAN ARCHER]

Upper, did you fall asleep in your hunter safety class when they covered the subject " Method of Take"?...................tra

 

[upper]

Come on Roman,what is your answer.Think on it next time you go camping by yourself. Upper

 

[bigworm]

Take covers killing, capturing, and pursuing game. So when your dogs are running a hog (pursuing) you are taking. When your dogs catch the hog (capturing) you are taking. And when your dogs kill a smaller hog (killing) you are taking. DFG says your initial method of take can not be a knife. This would only apply to the kill phase. There is a catch, because one would think the initial method of take is the dogs, and it is. But these are all futile attemps at justifying why we should be able to stick hogs. It does seem very strange that my dogs can kill a hog, and that is legal. If DFG did not allow that, then dogs could not be used. As this is something we can not control. For now I appreciate the fact I get to use my dogs.

 

[jackrabbit]

Just to jump in here because I'm bored right now: It seems that it must be ok for dogs to kill a hog because dogs are animals. However, for a human to kill a hog with a knife, that's like mortal combat and that would be savage, and quite uncivilized. Most non-hunters don't understand why a hunter would kill, or even that an animal death from hunting is way more humane than a natural death. I try to explain to them that they would probably suffer much less from a well placed bullet or blade (either near instant or quick loss of conciousness from rapid blood loss) than being eaten alive by another animal. Yet, their responses almost invariably involve issues about why a sportsman would want to kill an animal in the first place -- yeah, I know, hypocritical for anyone who eats any meat, fish, poultry, etc.

If a hoghunter gets to like killing hogs with a knife to the heart -- does this predispose him to being a serial killer of people?

Upper -- I hope I did not answer your question.

 

[DanV]

What a MESS ! My personal take on this is that it does not matter what your personal opinions are , laws are made and meant to be followed - weather you agree or not .

There are lots of rules / regulations that I don't care for or agree with , but I have to follow the law or pay the price . Those of you who do as you please reguardless of the law will eventually get caught and pay the price !

 

[bayedsolid]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DanV @ Apr 28 2008, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

What a MESS ! My personal take on this is that it does not matter what your personal opinions are , laws are made and meant to be followed - weather you agree or not .

There are lots of rules / regulations that I don't care for or agree with , but I have to follow the law or pay the price . Those of you who do as you please reguardless of the law will eventually get caught and pay the price ![/b]

Unless I missed a post, I don't see where anyone here said they weren't following the law. Complaining about laws they don't agree with, yes, but nobody stated they were 'doing as they please' as you put it.