Monster Muley taken.......

[Backcountry]

Originally posted by ZEKEDAWG@Sep 22 2004, 02:59 PM
Is it simply the rights to the rack and the pictures and the story?

That's all I can think of... if there is any "marketability" in terms of product endorsements or simply selling the story & photo rights to a magazine for say $1,000-2,000, and if the buck's pictures and story are plastered all over the net now, then the perceived "value" to both potential publishers and potential endorsers is likely diminished.

In terms of the record books, it makes zero difference how much or how little the buck is publicized now. Moreover, the rights to the rack will stay with whoever shot it until he sells it. If anything, if it's a real world class trophy advance publicity (and I mean photos, not chatter) would most likely help drive the price up, not down.

Backcountry

p.s. I have no clue what these type of special interest stories go for, I just tossed out $1,000 as a guess. For what it's worth, I've been solicited to have photographs I've taken published in textbooks and I've sold those photos for from $150 to $350 a piece.

p.p.s. wello, I like it... "hunt more, write less"!... I should make that my new catchy clever custom member title (beneath my avatar)! How about I trade you a couple beers for the "rights" to that catchy phrase?

 

[wello]

can't trade it, worth too much,lol
but if ya have some pig or turkey area for me to hunt on that would sway me. Maybe Trinity River has some for me.. I got a great public Salmon spot on the American within spitting distance from my place I can tell him about if he tell sme the mystery zone

 

[Norcalihunter]

I knew about the buck just the same as TR and I do have a picture and know the zone and location the deer was taken.

Its not BS some info about the hunt will be along soon enough.

 

[duckman2002]

those numbers are from the california wildlife record book

 

[Trinity River]

Originally posted by wello@Sep 22 2004, 02:39 PM
can't trade it, worth too much,lol
but if ya have some pig or turkey area for me to hunt on that would sway me. Maybe Trinity River has some for me.. I got a great public Salmon spot on the American within spitting distance from my place I can tell him about if he tell sme the mystery zone

Sorry Wello,no pig or turkey ground for ya.I have a little house on the banks of the Trinity,so the Salmon and Steelies are covered,thanks for the offer.

 

[Trinity River]

Originally posted by Norcalihunter@Sep 22 2004, 03:04 PM
I knew about the buck just the same as TR and I do have a picture and know the zone and location the deer was taken.

Its not BS some info about the hunt will be along soon enough.

Hey Norcalihunter.what is the initial of the last name of the hunter who took the buck?

 

[Trinity River]

Originally posted by duckman2002@Sep 22 2004, 03:10 PM
those numbers are from the california wildlife record book

And where does one get a copy of this book? Borders,DFG?

 

[wmidbrook]

There was another monster buck taken last year in either D4 or D5 east of Lodi on private by Jeff Dozio that won't be going into any books. I believe it's a 190 something and was well over 30 inches. Jeff had been trying to nail this buck for 3 years and bagged it last year

......sometimes I think more big bucks harvested never see any books than are entered in the books.

Okay Norcali, where's the beef?err....venison....time to spill the beans and what's the score?

 

[wello]

Trinity River...got dredge? 4" over here..need a spot to put it.

 

[wello]

yea, all them lowland non migrating town dear in the D- zones can't get in the books as they are blacktail and/or hybrid. Only West of I-5 is recognized for the blacktail. Pretty much sucks I say.

 

[Norcalihunter]

TR,
Check your email.

 

[Backcountry]

Originally posted by wello@Sep 22 2004, 05:02 PM
yea, all them lowland non migrating town dear in the D- zones can't get in the books as they are blacktail and/or hybrid. Only West of I-5 is recognized for the blacktail. Pretty much sucks I say.

That is not true. It's this simple... you shoot a buck in the blacktail zone that scores higher than the minimum for blacktails and it goes in the book as a blacktail, even if it looks like a muley. You shoot a buck in the mule deer zone that scores higher than the minimum for mule deer and it goes in the book as a mule deer, even if it looks like a blacktail. If we want to include the CBH book for bowhunters, there's an additional zone called "Pacific Hybrid" which includes the coastal area south of Montery Bay (see the CBH book for exact boundary description) and the same is true for these deer.

FYI, I-5 is not the precise boundary... it's close and/or coincedent in some places; however in other places the boundary is miles from I-5.

http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/re...?area=bgRecords

The species boundaries were defined so that, by and large, deer taken in one geographic zone/area are likely to be pure strain of that particular species, or close to it. Will there be some slop? Sure. But the record books aren't set up by people that have the time, money, nor technology to do a genetic analysis of every (or any) deer that's submitted. Just as with people, deer of the same species can be big, small, and sometimes even wierd looking.

I've seen lots of low elevation D5 bucks that would go into the book as a mule deer but that sure look more like a blacktail to me.

Backcountry

 

[Trinity River]

Originally posted by Norcalihunter@Sep 22 2004, 04:15 PM
TR,
Check your email.

NCH,nothing there.....

 

[Trinity River]

<!--QuoteBegin-wello

@Sep 22 2004, 05:02 PM
yea, all them lowland non migrating town dear in the D- zones can't get in the books as they are blacktail and/or hybrid. Only West of I-5 is recognized for the blacktail. Pretty much sucks I say.

That is not true. It's this simple... you shoot a buck in the blacktail zone that scores higher than the minimum for blacktails and it goes in the book as a blacktail, even if it looks like a muley. You shoot a buck in the mule deer zone that scores higher than the minimum for mule deer and it goes in the book as a mule deer, even if it looks like a blacktail. If we want to include the CBH book for bowhunters, there's an additional zone called "Pacific Hybrid" which includes the coastal area south of Montery Bay (see the CBH book for exact boundary description) and the same is true for these deer.

FYI, I-5 is not the precise boundary... it's close and/or coincedent in some places; however in other places the boundary is miles from I-5.

http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/re...?area=bgRecords

The species boundaries were defined so that, by and large, deer taken in one geographic zone/area are likely to be pure strain of that particular species, or close to it. Will there be some slop? Sure. But the record books aren't set up by people that have the time, money, nor technology to do a genetic analysis of every (or any) deer that's submitted. Just as with people, deer of the same species can be big, small, and sometimes even wierd looking.

I've seen lots of low elevation D5 bucks that would go into the book as a mule deer but that sure look more like a blacktail to me.

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Hey BC,whats the miniumum for Blacktail,i took a nice one a few years back near Fort Jones,im looking at him on the wall right now,always wondered............

 

[huntducks]

This one is 32" inside I have a friend that took one 40" inside he sent me a picture I just spent 3 hours looking for it no luck.

 

[Backcountry]

Minimum for typical blacktail is as follows

CBH = 75
P&Y = 90
B&C = 125 (award); 135 (all-time)

Backcountry

 

[spectr17]

Big bucks are big bidness now. If you break the story (exclusive) you'll draw huge amounts of people to your mag or website.

Remember Rompola? The Van Louven buck the kid shot in Iowa last year. The Beatty buck in Ohio? All sold their story and horns.

I don't know if I would want that scrutiny and have my name drug through the mud like some do. Last year the big buck here was accused of being shot in the NP.

A neighbor back in Missouri next to our farm snuck up on a huge bedded buck and stuck him with an arrow. People claimed that it was impossible to sneak up on such a big buck and they claimed the buck was sick, hit by a car etc. Really pathetic to see the posts by people who had no clue what actually happened. I think before I slandered or libled someone I would want to at least get my facts straight first.

Here's a pic of Randy Simonitch's buck from Missouri. When people accused him of poaching or shooting a sick deer it made me pause for second. That easily could happen to me if I ever shot a buck that big. Of course you'd never be able to keep a huge buck under your hat either.

 

[wmidbrook]

I've never seen a CA buck with this kind of mass...I'd sure love to tho

Here's me with a 42" buck that'd make the top 10 in Utah if the owner would have it officially measured (hey, I'm kinda glad I lost 40 lbs looking at that pic taken last year):

 

[Backcountry]

At least we're getting to the serious horn-porn now... nice pics Jesse and wmidbrook!

Big bucks are big bidness now.

Yep, BIG bidness! We're talking

city!

The three articles below, referencing the three bucks Jesse just mentioned (all whitetails), toss around values of $100,000, $100,000, and (get this) $250,000, respectively. Anybody that says they wouldn't embargo their photos and story if that kind of money was riding on the line is a bigger man than me.

http://espn.go.com/outdoors/hunting/s/h_fe...S-purchase.html

http://www.freep.com/sports/outdoors/qxoutcol25.htm

http://www.inmetrodetroit.com/Outdoors/Hunting/Ohio_Buck.htm

Backcountry

 

[wmidbrook]

Yep, BIG bidness!

exactly!!!!

Even if George Taulman is a greedy businessman, thank goodness hunting falls under the auspices of the UCC now (uniform commercial code)....I'm looking forward to the day of no more non-resident & resident price variations.

The average man should be able to once again afford non-resident tags....