ManCalledHorse
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Holy smokes! You gotta see what this land owner did! The nerve! First time for everything.
Today, I went hunting/scouting out in Cleveland National Forrest with a friend of mine.
We picked this spot (clear arrow on creek) between two private properties (shown in white) and a trail that was on public land (dotted line pointed by red arrow) that led to one of the private properties (looked very convienent to get to the public area between the two other properties without trespassing). We parked on side of the road out of any traffic onto a dirt shoulder at the entrance of the trail (shown by blue arrow).
An older (possibily 40's) white female with shoulder length blonde hair drove up to us in her large grey/dark colored pickup truck from the trail. She got out and asked us what we were doing. I told her, "We're going to hunt in the public land down there." Pointing at the creek. She then said, "You can't hunt here! I own all this land. It is private property." I asked her she owned all of it. The lady said, "Yes." I had my Cleveland National Forest Map Book (2008 edition, which was vertified by the CNF main office as the most recent and current addition as of 1 month ago). I showed her the map (attached). She then changed her statement and showed with her hands what land she did own, which was not the whole area!
I pointed at the green area (public land) and asked her if she owned the green land too. She said yes initially then no. Then she said, "You are not think of going down the trail to the right are you?" I told it was public and yes I was planning on it to get to the creek by staying out of the private property. She said, "You can't use it! It is private. That is when I looked over her shoulder and saw a heavy green gate behind her (which CNF supervisor in the past told me to inform him of possible encroachment issues), which I thought it was possibly an adverse possession thing. Anyways...
The lady told us to move our vehicles (which was approximately 30-50 feet from the entrance) and park them down the road. Then she said, "What are you hunting for?" I told her, "We are looking for pigs." The lady said, "There are none. They torn up everything on my land. I killed them all. They are all gone." She said, "Go down to Boy Scout Lake. They might be there."
I told her, "Well, that is okay. I got a deer tag too to fill." She told me, "There is no deer here." I asked her, "No deer? Really?" Now, I was highly suspecting she did not want my friend or me any where near her property and she was trying disuade me. The lady continued, "The only deer here is the baby deer that I feed on my property. They are mine. They are just babies!" I told her I would not think of shooting anything on her property.
She then said, "The shooting scares my horses and then they get hurt." I told her, "It's okay. I don't have any guns with me. I brought my bows to hunt. They are quiet and don't have to worry about that." She then said, "Well I had people shoot my sheep on my property." I asked her if her property was clearly marked. She said it was with a fence. I told her I would respect her fence and I would never think of shooting anything on her property.
The lady then said, "I am a hunter too. I hunt birds not deer." I then told her, "Well you understand then how hard it is to find a good hunting area in public lands, especially when private landowners won't allow hunters to hunt on or near their lands around here." Then she said, "Well you can't hunt here! You got to go!" That is when I told her, "Lady. I am legally on public land. I am going to hunt on public land, where I have a legal right to be. Sorry. Have a good day."
Now here is the kicker! Another white pickup truck exited through the same entrance as she did. It was an older couple (a man and a woman). She yelled at them, "Hey! They said they (pointing at me) are going to hunt on my property!" Whoa! I said what?!? I told her, "I did not even say anything like that." That is when I really felt she was a whole lotta trouble.
Then I finished getting my broadheads ready and geared up. She locked her green gate. Before leaving she said she was going to get her house maids to keep a watch on us. Then she stopped before leaving, I saw her taking pictures of our license plates with her cell phone. Then she drove off in a hurry.
A few minutes later, I saw a white male wearing a bright orange vest standing behind the locked gate. Thinking he was security of some sort, I walked over to him and introduced myself to him. I told him a lady just tried running me off.
The guy said, "Yeah. See locked me in. I work for (believe he said a power company **Left un-named**). I used my key to get into her gate to check our poles on her property. She stopped me and asked how I got in. I told her with my key for the gate lock. She became pretty upset. She told me, "It is people like you, we blow their heads off." Now she has her own lock on the gate (there was a second silver colored pad lock on the chain) and I can't get out." My friend told the guy the lady said she was going to call her house maids and maybe they would let him out.
The guy drove down the trail to return with a dark-skinned male, who I was later told was the lady's husband, and he unlocked the gate and let him out. The dark-skinned guy was wearing a suit and waved at us as he also drove away.
Well, anyways. My friend and I went on our hunting adventure in the public land area. We did eventually move our vehicles, because we found a better spot to go down the thick brush than were we were initially parked (considering the trail was currently off limits). We had fun. No pig signs (maybe she did kill them all). Deer signs were more at the top than at the creek.
Training Points: 1) Always have a current map of private and public property on hand, 2) Know your rights on public domain, 3) Watch out for this land owner! 4) I ran into some DFG Officers later that day and I just found out feeding deer is illegal (oops!). So, don't feed deer.
I hope this helped you guys about this area or situation if you ever encounter it. Unfortunately, not everyone is reasonable. Good luck out there!
Today, I went hunting/scouting out in Cleveland National Forrest with a friend of mine.
We picked this spot (clear arrow on creek) between two private properties (shown in white) and a trail that was on public land (dotted line pointed by red arrow) that led to one of the private properties (looked very convienent to get to the public area between the two other properties without trespassing). We parked on side of the road out of any traffic onto a dirt shoulder at the entrance of the trail (shown by blue arrow).
An older (possibily 40's) white female with shoulder length blonde hair drove up to us in her large grey/dark colored pickup truck from the trail. She got out and asked us what we were doing. I told her, "We're going to hunt in the public land down there." Pointing at the creek. She then said, "You can't hunt here! I own all this land. It is private property." I asked her she owned all of it. The lady said, "Yes." I had my Cleveland National Forest Map Book (2008 edition, which was vertified by the CNF main office as the most recent and current addition as of 1 month ago). I showed her the map (attached). She then changed her statement and showed with her hands what land she did own, which was not the whole area!
I pointed at the green area (public land) and asked her if she owned the green land too. She said yes initially then no. Then she said, "You are not think of going down the trail to the right are you?" I told it was public and yes I was planning on it to get to the creek by staying out of the private property. She said, "You can't use it! It is private. That is when I looked over her shoulder and saw a heavy green gate behind her (which CNF supervisor in the past told me to inform him of possible encroachment issues), which I thought it was possibly an adverse possession thing. Anyways...
The lady told us to move our vehicles (which was approximately 30-50 feet from the entrance) and park them down the road. Then she said, "What are you hunting for?" I told her, "We are looking for pigs." The lady said, "There are none. They torn up everything on my land. I killed them all. They are all gone." She said, "Go down to Boy Scout Lake. They might be there."
I told her, "Well, that is okay. I got a deer tag too to fill." She told me, "There is no deer here." I asked her, "No deer? Really?" Now, I was highly suspecting she did not want my friend or me any where near her property and she was trying disuade me. The lady continued, "The only deer here is the baby deer that I feed on my property. They are mine. They are just babies!" I told her I would not think of shooting anything on her property.
She then said, "The shooting scares my horses and then they get hurt." I told her, "It's okay. I don't have any guns with me. I brought my bows to hunt. They are quiet and don't have to worry about that." She then said, "Well I had people shoot my sheep on my property." I asked her if her property was clearly marked. She said it was with a fence. I told her I would respect her fence and I would never think of shooting anything on her property.
The lady then said, "I am a hunter too. I hunt birds not deer." I then told her, "Well you understand then how hard it is to find a good hunting area in public lands, especially when private landowners won't allow hunters to hunt on or near their lands around here." Then she said, "Well you can't hunt here! You got to go!" That is when I told her, "Lady. I am legally on public land. I am going to hunt on public land, where I have a legal right to be. Sorry. Have a good day."
Now here is the kicker! Another white pickup truck exited through the same entrance as she did. It was an older couple (a man and a woman). She yelled at them, "Hey! They said they (pointing at me) are going to hunt on my property!" Whoa! I said what?!? I told her, "I did not even say anything like that." That is when I really felt she was a whole lotta trouble.
Then I finished getting my broadheads ready and geared up. She locked her green gate. Before leaving she said she was going to get her house maids to keep a watch on us. Then she stopped before leaving, I saw her taking pictures of our license plates with her cell phone. Then she drove off in a hurry.
A few minutes later, I saw a white male wearing a bright orange vest standing behind the locked gate. Thinking he was security of some sort, I walked over to him and introduced myself to him. I told him a lady just tried running me off.
The guy said, "Yeah. See locked me in. I work for (believe he said a power company **Left un-named**). I used my key to get into her gate to check our poles on her property. She stopped me and asked how I got in. I told her with my key for the gate lock. She became pretty upset. She told me, "It is people like you, we blow their heads off." Now she has her own lock on the gate (there was a second silver colored pad lock on the chain) and I can't get out." My friend told the guy the lady said she was going to call her house maids and maybe they would let him out.
The guy drove down the trail to return with a dark-skinned male, who I was later told was the lady's husband, and he unlocked the gate and let him out. The dark-skinned guy was wearing a suit and waved at us as he also drove away.
Well, anyways. My friend and I went on our hunting adventure in the public land area. We did eventually move our vehicles, because we found a better spot to go down the thick brush than were we were initially parked (considering the trail was currently off limits). We had fun. No pig signs (maybe she did kill them all). Deer signs were more at the top than at the creek.
Training Points: 1) Always have a current map of private and public property on hand, 2) Know your rights on public domain, 3) Watch out for this land owner! 4) I ran into some DFG Officers later that day and I just found out feeding deer is illegal (oops!). So, don't feed deer.
I hope this helped you guys about this area or situation if you ever encounter it. Unfortunately, not everyone is reasonable. Good luck out there!
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