Pigs

[huntingbret]

Mapmaker, that is a great map. Are there any pigs up in those two areas that are marked? The map also mentioned that access to the place requires permission from private landowners? Who would ask for that? Have you hunted that area too?

 

[CAhntr]

bret, I've never hunted that land on the map but I would think that it could hold hogs. I have hunted many other public land spots around the lake and there are pigs, though not many. Get off the roads and focus on areas that have water and cover.
Good luck and you can e-mail me if you have any specific questions.

Here are a few of my trail cam pics of pigs from public land around Pine Flat. I havn't connected on one yet, but I'm still trying.

 

[CAhntr]

Heres a few more.

 

[jackrabbit]

NICE photos!! Bret seems to be having trouble sending emails thru JHO. But I did finally connect with him by email today and told him about a drive in spot I hunted a few years back. I've also seen a few pigs at night in some other spots, but have not hunted those yet. Maybe some time down the line we could have a local meet and greet in the area here and trade some notes or just trade stories -- after the weather cools of course. By the way, I was able to send an email to Bret thru JHO, just seems like he can't get one thru -- he got back to me because I liste my address in the email I sent. So if anybody else wants to help him out, you might to intitiate the email process yourself.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ltdann @ Jul 23 2008, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

What an outstanding map. However did you do that?[/b]

Itdann, Thanks for the complement. I use the US Army Terrain Visualization Software that is used by the Army Reserve and Army National Guard. It’s basically for tactical applications and also the Army Engineer School. The TerraBase II software is a free download from Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri.

Here is the link:

http://www.wood.army.mil/TVC/DefaultPageCo...croDEM_TBII.htm

I use the Version 5.12 TerraBase II that is anchored to 1997 with the last Revision in 1/7/2002. Note that the newer Versions change every year, because the students at the Naval Academy write new software every year. That usually means that previous terrain visualizations wont load into the new software.

Richard

 

[CAhntr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jackrabbit @ Jul 23 2008, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Maybe some time down the line we could have a local meet and greet in the area here and trade some notes or just trade stories[/b]

Sounds good to me. I'm always up for meeting fellow JHOers and shootin the sh*t.

Eric

 

[jackrabbit]

kool eric, keep it in mind and let's chat about it after D7 deer season. If any of you guys have D7 tags this year, then maybe we could chat about that even during the season. Let's see how it goes. I'm up for a meet and greet anytime anyone else is though, even before deer season. But I won't be chasin pigs til after deer season.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huntingbret @ Jul 23 2008, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Mapmaker, that is a great map. Are there any pigs up in those two areas that are marked? The map also mentioned that access to the place requires permission from private landowners? Who would ask for that? Have you hunted that area too?[/b]

Bret, I do a lot of hunting with my Jet Boat in shallow water. My boat is pictured in my Avatar, but that type of hunting is a separate topic which I seldom mention. I have camped at the campground marked on my map, and hooked around behind the post office to the boat ramp where I launched my gunboat for hunting the lake shore. One evening while camping at the campground I scouted the area on my map where the road is only 200 feet from the BLM corner. Notice that there is a high road and low road. Well, the low road is good pig habitat along with cattle grazing, as with all of the stream bed up stream from there. The good stuff is all posted, so I hunt the shallows with my jet boat where there is no risk of trespassing. If I lived close to that area I would make an attempt to gain access to the BLM Plats, because they provide good cover for bedding down the hogs. The amount of sign changes from year to year, so you will have to do your own scouting to see what it looks like during a dry year like this one? The shore of the lake is very steep where the other BLM land is located, which requires a lot of hard work to climb up out of there while leaving your boat unattended. I have those spots mapped also, but I would have to go find them.

Richard

 

[Family Tradition]

Ummmmmm HOOTERS?

I'm in

 

[jackrabbit]

Just like old times huh FT? We'll be missing Fresno Hunter this time cuz he's up in the Sacto area now. I'm up for a Hooters meet and greet any time that the rest of the locals are, even if I won't be chasin pigs for a few months. Everybody else chime in about how soon you want to meet and I'm in for sure! Hooters is the place!!!!

 

[CAhntr]

I'm up for it whenever you guys are. Just name a day.

Eric

 

[m57jager]

Hey Jackrabbit,

That spot that requires a boat is no longer legal hunting grounds. Check out the new maps. Be careful too. Went up there and had my boat taken. Ended up finding it at the Trimmer marina with the oars, life vests, anchor and gas tank stripped out of it.

 

[jackrabbit]

I just bought a new map at the ranger station a few months ago -- they are still selling the 2003 version. It shows National Forest land at the spot I was thinking about, but with some white marked private land along some sections of the shore line in the area also. I did not plan on going by boat any time soon, by I would definitely check with the authorities first if I ever give it a try. Of course even if it is Forest property, if it is now a no-shooting zone, that would put an end to that possibility. Thanx.

 

[m57jager]

I agree, check with the authorities. Had my buddy who grew up in the area and also who I've hunted that very spot with many times tell me that a couple years ago that a couple guys had DFG waiting for them at the bottom and nailed them. I believe it was due to their route of access and egress. I don't want to give any info due to others that may still hunt it but I would say that of the choices it would be to your benefit if you made access via the hard way(straight up). You know where I'm talking about. I believe that that was the only legal way in in the past, and the way we went. Also, I believe the water holes in the area are definitely in the white/private area. But, definitely check with authorities. After my incident with the locals, the DFG incident, and the many times with out success I have ruled this one out for me. With a little research around the lake you can find much more success on deer, pig, and bear at the right times of course around the river systems. I'll leave the rest to you or any one else who wants to put in the work.

 

[m57jager]

Hey Bret,

That avatar looks to be the same area the pigs are drinking. Is it?

 

[jackrabbit]

Yeah, m57. I called the Forest Service supervisors office and they did not know what's up -- at least the folks I talked to. They referred me to DFG, but when I called local DFG, the game warden was not in -- but I'll be sure to call back before I am ready to give it a shot in cooler weather, WELL within public land on the map. Dry routes can still give me excitement and total fatigue, so I'm ok with that too.

When I was down in SoCal inland desert areas years ago, I made it a point to contact forest service, dfg, blm, and sheriffs -- wrote down names and info, then went out and took my chances -- there are always individual differences within the same jurisdictional authorities when one of them checks you out in the field, but at least I could show I tried to do right. One thing I will NOT do though is to get in a pissing contest with a private landowner -- I don't need to spend a lot of money in court to test my rights, just go somewhere else.

 

[huntingbret]

ltdann, I was taking a second look at the map you provided and was wondering how I would get to that side of the river? I realize that most of the lands on that side is private so driving to the blm properties, who would I ask to get persmission to even drive to it?
CAhntr, I'm trying to shoot you a message but keep getting the error message only. Arghhh... LOL.

 

[map]

Few people realize that the shaded relief maps that we hunters use were not produced from satellite data, because that data is classified. I use US Army software, but not classified satellite data for my maps. The relief maps that we civilians use were derived from the most primitive source, (paper topographic maps). That means that we can count on position and elevation errors of at least 100 feet.

The approximate corner of that BLM Plat will probably (not) be in the shallow gully as pictured on my map. I was a little confused when I tried to find the corner a few years back, because it didn’t match the terrain. In addition to the topographical error, the coordinates of that corner were derived from a USGS 24K Quad (Section Lines) which are only accurate to 40 feet at best. Basically, what I have been doing is to field-check my maps, which is a long process that takes many years of hunting the same area to perfect. Our modern GPS receivers are very accurate nowadays, so once we find a corner it will have the accurate coordinates.

Richard

 

[CAhntr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (m57jager @ Jul 25 2008, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Hey ERIC,

That avatar looks to be the same area the pigs are drinking. Is it?[/b]

Yes it is, good eye.

Bret, I'll send you an e-mail.

Eric

 

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I forgot to add a Pine Flat screen-save from maptrails State Explorer software. The Section Lines are the key to mapping rural property, becasuse the property will follow the geometry and shape of the Township lines. (1/8 - 1/4 - 1/2 - etc) Hope you Fresno guys get it figured out, because it costs too much for gas to drive over there.

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