State entry checkpoints

[SDHNTR]

I just came through the entry checkpoint yesterday on the 8 coming back from Yuma. I had to pull over, fill out a declaration form for my dove and take it into the office. This got me thinking. Why? Why did I have to do this? What purpose did it serve? Nothing was inspected. What does the form accomplish? Where does it go?

I simply handed it to one of the two rather unpleasant ladies in the office. I think I interupted them as one was cramming pizza down her neck and the other was shovelling ice cream into her face. They scowled at me, took my form, looked it over for a second, put it on top of a stack and sent me on my way with a head nod towards the door. It only took a few minutes and it wasn't that big of a deal, but the whole thing left me shaking my head. I can't possibly think of any reason for that stop and can't see how that form could actually serve any sort of functional purpose. Any ideas?

 

[FTTPOW]

It looks like it's keeping those two in a job. A well fed one at that.

 

[JNDEER]

i am throwing this out there, and don't know for sure......but i think to ensure all things coming into the state that may cause harm to our native animals and plants they require ALL items to be declared. it is much easier this way then to say only x, y, and z need to be declared.

this way if things come in that are on a "hot list" or some list of animals and plants that could hold disease or other things that can cause harm to our native stuff they stop you from bringing them into CA.

not sure if this is exaclty why, but i think it is.

 

[barel74]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JNDEER @ Sep 2 2008, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

i am throwing this out there, and don't know for sure......but i think to ensure all things coming into the state that may cause harm to our native animals and plants they require ALL items to be declared. it is much easier this way then to say only x, y, and z need to be declared.

this way if things come in that are on a "hot list" or some list of animals and plants that could hold disease or other things that can cause harm to our native stuff they stop you from bringing them into CA.

not sure if this is exaclty why, but i think it is.[/b]

I think your right jndeer, but shouldn't they at least inspect you, to make sure you're not bringing something in "undeclared"?

 

[JNDEER]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (barel74 @ Sep 2 2008, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JNDEER @ Sep 2 2008, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

i am throwing this out there, and don't know for sure......but i think to ensure all things coming into the state that may cause harm to our native animals and plants they require ALL items to be declared. it is much easier this way then to say only x, y, and z need to be declared.

this way if things come in that are on a "hot list" or some list of animals and plants that could hold disease or other things that can cause harm to our native stuff they stop you from bringing them into CA.

not sure if this is exaclty why, but i think it is.[/b]

I think your right jndeer, but shouldn't they at least inspect you, to make sure you're not bringing something in "undeclared"?
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i think if you came from across seas or from states that hold things on the "hot list"..then they may,,,,but you have to remember these are persons making $9 an hour on a weekend...probably not the best of all employees as far as the search....i mean if SD would have said coming from AZ after visiting my parents they probably would not have said a word (don't get caught doing this and i highly recommend you don't)...so unless they find you suspecious our check point personall are not going to care too much......even though they really should...things that are back east can potentially cause major,major issues to our animals and crop's

 

[SDHNTR]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (barel74 @ Sep 2 2008, 09:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JNDEER @ Sep 2 2008, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

i am throwing this out there, and don't know for sure......but i think to ensure all things coming into the state that may cause harm to our native animals and plants they require ALL items to be declared. it is much easier this way then to say only x, y, and z need to be declared.

this way if things come in that are on a "hot list" or some list of animals and plants that could hold disease or other things that can cause harm to our native stuff they stop you from bringing them into CA.

not sure if this is exaclty why, but i think it is.[/b]

I think your right jndeer, but shouldn't they at least inspect you, to make sure you're not bringing something in "undeclared"?
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Exactly! There was no inspection. And there wasn't last year either. I just filled out the form and handed it over, no inspection, no nuthin. So what's the point? Besides pointless beaucratic formality.

 

[barel74]

In '01 and '02, bringing elk and deer back, got asked at the border, then just given a form, and told to mail it within 2 weeks, and was told to go on my way. Not even a look under the tarp, either time. I thought with the cwd thing, the border was supposed to be a lot tighter?

 

[JNDEER]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SDHNTR @ Sep 2 2008, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (barel74 @ Sep 2 2008, 09:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JNDEER @ Sep 2 2008, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

i am throwing this out there, and don't know for sure......but i think to ensure all things coming into the state that may cause harm to our native animals and plants they require ALL items to be declared. it is much easier this way then to say only x, y, and z need to be declared.

this way if things come in that are on a "hot list" or some list of animals and plants that could hold disease or other things that can cause harm to our native stuff they stop you from bringing them into CA.

not sure if this is exaclty why, but i think it is.[/b]

I think your right jndeer, but shouldn't they at least inspect you, to make sure you're not bringing something in "undeclared"?
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Exactly! There was no inspection. And there wasn't last year either. I just filled out the form and handed it over, no inspection, no nuthin. So what's the point? Besides pointless beaucratic formality.
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so you pulled up..said you had dove and they said pull over go talk to these healthy lookin woman and fill our a form? they never looked at the dove or anything like that?

again i still think it is for the honest joe who will say what he brought in..because they don't have the law saying you only need to declare x,y,z you have to declare everything. for things that are not known to be hazardous to CA wildlife they probably don't care too much and thus didn't want to look into your dove

 

[SDHNTR]

No, I drove up to the dude, he looked at my ride and made his own decision... A dirty Dodge 2500 4x4 with a license plate that says BOWNARO and hunting gear/cooler in the back. My camo hat probably gave it away too. He asked me if I was hunting, I said yes. He said fill this out, then walk in there and give it to the biggun's piggin' out.

That was it, for all I know that form went right in the trash. The dove stayed buried in ice in the cooler. No one ever looked or even asked about the birds. This was the second year a row this has happened.

 

[JNDEER]

well then i don't know. i guess on your decleration you put your information on it and what you killed. i would assume that the biggins were to look at that and see what you are declaring to see if it is worth investigating.
but in your case the round table won out!

the purupose behind WHY they do it i believe is what i stated above, but how well it gets enforced as you can see is not to well.

besides that i am sure you are a suspicious character

 

[2rocky]

SD I reckon they had a breifing as soon as a deer season was open saying that all hunters had to declare game being brought in to the state. Main purpose being CWD vigilance. Most of those check points are run by the CDFA (dept of Food and Agriculture) for the purpose of catching exotic pests from other areas, checking brand inspection certs on livestock, etc. Since they are there, then they got the job of being the point of declaration for out of state wildlife. Same thing happened with my elk 2 years ago at Truckee. They saw the rack, never looked at the meat, and just wanted a license plate and Tag #, hand delivered intot he office.

Now if there was a glassy winged sharpshooter infestation in Yuma and you said that you were there, they would have actually inspected you or at least asked if you had any fruit or vegetables.

I think it accomplishes people being "scared" to try to sneak in an illegal kill, or illegal portions (brain and spine). They can't search EVERY vehicle. Also in the case of a poachung case it would provide a time and place of location if the LEO wanted to establish a case against someone in an incident.

 

[kilbuc]

The delcaration form, don't even remember the proper name, is an old archaic form that has been around for more than 50 years(way before CWD) and should have been eliminated 30 years ago. The forms are sent to DFG headquarters and end up in a black hole never to see the light of day again. Original justification is probably outdated. Was never told what they were used for. To get rid off probably has to go thru the legislature, Nuff said. Maybe Eric has a better answer/justification.

from the "Heartland of Wyoming"

 

[Caninelaw]

One time, many year ago when I was like 18 or 19 I went with a group of firemen in a large motor home to Idaho for a week of pheasant hunting. Of course, being it was Idaho they all wanted to bring back some potatoes. We had the floor of the motor home covered about two bags deep with bags of potatoes. We pulled up to the checkpoint entering California and were asked "do you have any fruit, vegetables etc, etc." The answer, "nope", and on we went. If they guy had even made an effort to look into the motor home he'd of seen the potatoes. Ever since then I've kind of though, what's the point?

 

[DEERSLAM]

I bet they don't catch 1% off the illegal stuff that comes across the state line. I usually get waived right through when someones at the checkpoint. A lot of the time there isn't even someone there.

 

[spectr17]

Try and sneak a box of Crispy Cremes by em Nate and see what happens.

"Got a live one secondary"

 

[sancho]

i like the checkpoints. going hunting as a kid, you got stopped by a borderpatrol station no matter what direction you went. they were racial profiling even back then. they now have a bragging board up, showing how many pounds of what they have stopped.

it is just a little thing, but it makes the bad guys nervous. i have never met anyone acting unprofessional.

 

[WildlifeBranch]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kilbuc @ Sep 2 2008, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

The delcaration form, don't even remember the proper name, is an old archaic form that has been around for more than 50 years(way before CWD) and should have been eliminated 30 years ago. The forms are sent to DFG headquarters and end up in a black hole never to see the light of day again. Original justification is probably outdated. Was never told what they were used for. To get rid off probably has to go thru the legislature, Nuff said. Maybe Eric has a better answer/justification.

from the "Heartland of Wyoming"[/b]

I'm at DFG headquarters and have no idea where these forms go! -- perhaps to law enforcement. Jesse's thread on this started to get into it to-- The reason I think is for your own protection and later evidence/proof should you be stopped and checked by law enforcement, and ultimately by a game warden in California. If you hunt something in season or with a season in another state (that would be illegal in CA), and document it at the border coming in to CA; then you have the best evidence of having taken the animal outside of CA.

Eric

 

[SDHNTR]

point taken, I suppose, but isn't that what a notched and signed tag is for?

 

[WildlifeBranch]

agree-- probably redundant for fish and game taken in another state that requires a tag/proof affixed to carcass or other documentation of game/fish taken.

 

[JNDEER]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WildlifeBranch @ Sep 2 2008, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kilbuc @ Sep 2 2008, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The delcaration form, don't even remember the proper name, is an old archaic form that has been around for more than 50 years(way before CWD) and should have been eliminated 30 years ago. The forms are sent to DFG headquarters and end up in a black hole never to see the light of day again. Original justification is probably outdated. Was never told what they were used for. To get rid off probably has to go thru the legislature, Nuff said. Maybe Eric has a better answer/justification.

from the "Heartland of Wyoming"[/b]

I'm at DFG headquarters and have no idea where these forms go! -- perhaps to law enforcement. Jesse's thread on this started to get into it to-- The reason I think is for your own protection and later evidence/proof should you be stopped and checked by law enforcement, and ultimately by a game warden in California. If you hunt something in season or with a season in another state (that would be illegal in CA), and document it at the border coming in to CA; then you have the best evidence of having taken the animal outside of CA.

Eric
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If they go to law enforcement it would probably be to the regions cause it never came to HQ