Stay with a local Family and hunt on their farm

[jjhack]

I have an operation to offer first time hunters. Most never thought it would be possible to go to Africa. A friend of mine's father has quite a big place and agreed to open it to a few trophy hunters. There are some massive trophy bulls here but it's been a family farm for 100 years and not exactly managed for game quality. The only hunting has been limited to biltong hunting( meat hunters). There are plenty of species and very likely some big trophies. However the average Kudu would probably be in the 45-49" range and impala 18-21"

I have calculated this to be able to offer it at 3800US per hunter for 1 each Kudu, impala, warthog. About 1000 bucks less then my usual hunting location. Additional game can be added from the trophy fee list.

This will be based out of the existing family farm house. Staying with the family who lives there. Private rooms, good food, and a nice clean home. If you ever thought about hunting Africa this is as inexpensive as I know of for real wild game. The Farm is 1000's of acres, but 30-40 percent of it is agriculture, Orchards and farmlands. The game has become enough of a problem now that the owner has agreed to allow some hunting to get the numbers back in line.

This landowner has had a 1/2 dozen cattle killed by leopards in the last year. You should see leopard tracks almost every day here. I've also seen one of the biggest warthogs in my life on this farm, More then 16"! We cannot get a leopard permit right now if you were wondering.

I must stress that this is not a typical hunting operation, but rather a farmhouse hunt with the local family that lives there. That trip to Africa to see wild game and hunt is as close as possible for you at 3800 bucks. If you have any further questions on this post up, others may be wondering about the same things as you are.

 

[bzzboyz]

Would I be guided by you?

What city would I fly into?

What about ground transportation?

How many days is the hunt?

When does it have to be taken by?

What is the average cost to get the animals back to U.S?

Do you have a price list for additional animals?


I think that's all for now.

 

[jjhack]

Almost all that is on my website, I should have added the link for the information!

But for the purpose of the flow here I'll fill in the blanks.

Would I be guided by you? One of my favorite PH's is the land amanger of this property, it's his familys land. He is 7 foot tall and the heavy weight UFC champion of RSA. He would most likely be taking the hunters out during May and June. I'm already fully booked for the season which I will be there.

What city would I fly into?
Joburg

What about ground transportation?
All inclusive round trip to the airport

How many days is the hunt?
9 days 7 full hunting days, the hunting on arrival and departure days will depend upon your flight times.

When does it have to be taken by?
August would be the last month I would offer this.

What is the average cost to get the animals back to U.S?
Very hard to say as I don't know what you wish to bring back, will you clear it yourself? A broker? On my site there is a links page for the Dip Pack and taxidermist that I have found to be as trustworthy and professional as possible. You can email him with dip pack and shipping questions. It's not my part of the business but I can assist with it where needed. I usually use 50 bucks an animal plus 150 for the papaerwork for dip pack. Then an additional 125 bucks per animal for shipping them over to the USA. From there you have a broker if you can't do this yourself, and then the shipping form the port of entry to your doorstep.

Getting mounts done in the USA from your safari usually runs an equal or more then the the cost of the hunt. For that reason most hunters now have european mounts done in RSA and take a lot of good photos. Fewer and fewer Americans are getting shoulder mounts done.

Do you have a price list for additional animals?
Yes on my website they are all listed

 

[Rick]

Jim - you still did not post the link to your website...

http://www.huntingadventures.net/


What other species are available on Hanou's ranch? (I'm never sure of the spelling of his name...)

 

[jjhack]

Hanno, will have access to about anything you want. There are sable, Nyala, and buffalo very close by. You have met him and know what he's like. I don't think folks could hope for a more entertaining guy to hunt with.

His heart is as big as his person! He would certainly bend over backward to help or fix anything that seemed wrong, or uncomfortable for the visiting hunter. Plus he's been in the game capture business so long now he has resources to find huntable game on countless places.

 

[Rick]

If this is available in 2009, it might be a perfect hunt for my son! Jim will make everything easy for anyone interested in this trip, and Hanno is great. Two friends and I hunted with Jim this past Spring - Hanno was my buddy's PH and Moe loved hunting with him. Believe me - this is a great opportunity! (I get no compensation for this recommendation, by the way.)

It would be great first trip, and it's as affordable as you are going to see - even adding in a couple more animals!

Here is a typical view of a waterhole in RSA - it is not unusual to see dozens of animals at the same time. Here is a kudu, some impala and some warthogs.

Speaking of warthogs - here's mine. (I wish I had shot more of them - they are a bargain at Jim's prices! Compare them to a pig hunt here in California.)

My favorite, so far - blue wildebeest!

Although I must say, waterbuck are cool, too! This is my PH, Dave Tennent and his tracker, Jacob. Just before I shot the waterbuck, there were two white rhinos at the waterhole!

I've got a million pictures, and at least that many memories!

 

[Rick]

By the way, Hanno is the very tall, young guy in the back. The guys right in front of him are all over 6 feet tall.

 

[greg vs]

Rick:

Talked to Anita and we might be interested if you take Mikey in 2009. You and I haven 't hunted together since before we left SoCal. Anita says she may hunt also.

Send me an e-mail at home or at work.

 

[jjhack]

I live in Eastern Wa. when I'm not in RSA. We should talk more about this if you like.

I'm headed to Islamorada Florida in the central Keys for a week fo fishing next week. I leave tonight. Let me know where you are maybe we can have a visit and talk about Africa!

Jim

 

[bzzboyz]

Couple more questions.

What about a law I heard about that states that after January 1st 2008 proof must be shown that the animals have been on the ranch for at least two years?

And what about government imposed trophy fees? Is there such a thing? If so, how much are they?

Thanks

 

[Rick]

bzzboyz - I can't comment on the two year law, but I'm sure the animals on the ranch were all born there - it's not a "put and take" operation.

There were no additional trophy fees on our hunt - just what is shown on Jim's website and agreed upon beforehand. There are fees, of course, for dipping and any other trophy prep for shipping the hides and/or heads home but those are paid to the taxidermist and are dependent on how many animals you are sending home and how you wnat them done. I just had the warthog shoulder-mounted, to go with my California wild pig. I had a rug made from the wildebeest skin and the other heads done European style.

 

[bzzboyz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rick @ Dec 3 2007, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

bzzboyz - I can't comment on the two year law, but I'm sure the animals on the ranch were all born there - it's not a "put and take" operation.

There were no additional trophy fees on our hunt - just what is shown on Jim's website and agreed upon beforehand. There are fees, of course, for dipping and any other trophy prep for shipping the hides and/or heads home but those are paid to the taxidermist and are dependent on how many animals you are sending home and how you wnat them done. I just had the warthog shoulder-mounted, to go with my California wild pig. I had a rug made from the wildebeest skin and the other heads done European style.[/b]

Thanks. I'll wait for Jim's reply.

 

[bpnclark]

Where did you hear about the new law? I can see that maybe applying to very large and rare ($) animals like rhinos, but on Kudu, Impala and plains game animals, no way. How could they ever keep track of all the animals.

The only trophy fees you have to pay are the ones you pay the Outfitter/PH. The problems that you are hearing about are probably the ones in Zimbabwe, not South Africa. Everything was fine in August.

 

[bzzboyz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bpnclark @ Dec 6 2007, 11:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Where did you hear about the new law? I can see that maybe applying to very large and rare ($) animals like rhinos, but on Kudu, Impala and plains game animals, no way. How could they ever keep track of all the animals.

The only trophy fees you have to pay are the ones you pay the Outfitter/PH. The problems that you are hearing about are probably the ones in Zimbabwe, not South Africa. Everything was fine in August.[/b]

All of my questions were posed to me by a friend that has been over there more than 10 times and who's father in law has been there more than 50 times. He's going this month to take two lions to avoid the new law. I was hoping JJ could answer them for me. Guess he's still in the bush.

He said it was a "South African" law going into effect in January. He could possibly be mistaken, but I highly doubt it since he goes there so much.

 

[bpnclark]

I can see that law applying to lions. Not too many "free ranging" lions in South Africa. My father went with his friend on a lion hunt in Tanzania. They had some great stories when they came back.

 

[bzzboyz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bpnclark @ Dec 7 2007, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I can see that law applying to lions. Not too many "free ranging" lions in South Africa. My father went with his friend on a lion hunt in Tanzania. They had some great stories when they came back.[/b]

That's what I would have thought. I asked him how on earth they could possibly account for every animal on a ranch. He insisted that they had to somehow tag them. If that was the case though they would have had to start doing it two years ago or not hunt the ranch for the next two years. That's why I posed the question because, like you, I find it hard to believe it's possible to do. I like you, think it only applies to the big money animals and he may just be partly mistaken.



WHERE"S JJ???

 

[jjhack]

I'm fishing in the Florida Keys now in Marathon. Sorry, I did not have internet access for a couple weeks or something like that. I'm in Homestead now leaving tommorow to come back to My home in Wa. State.

There is no such non-sense about 2 years or any regulations of the sort. If that were the case the entire put and take culture of the eastern Cape would be out of business in one month!

I would have no problem with that law, it would do me a world of good for my business! However one need only follow the money to see where the laws will come from, RSA is no different then the USA or anyplace else. The "Golden rule" is the one with the most gold makes the rules!

They have eliminated what is considered "Canned Hunting" for leopard and lions. There is a whole list of new regulations regarding this type of hunting. The kind where a captive lion can be released before a hunter arrives and then it is located and shot on a high fenced property. Since this is not something I have any desire to be involved with I have not botherd to read the details and learn how to make a captive farm raised lion available to hunt. There may be some kind of 2 year free roaming aspect to this lion hunting. I do know that the lion farmers have lobbied PHASA saying that they have invested in this business and deserve to use/hunt the captive game they have at this moment. So there was a time limit set for this, that may be the 2 years he's talking about. It's certainly not for any hoofed game, but probably just the lions and leopards in captivity. Heck last year a guy shot a Jaguar there, they are not even from Africa!

PS--- There are an estimated 12,000 free range lions in RSA About 2/3 of them in the parks which are available to hunt if you can draw a permit. Much of the balance is in the Kalahari, with scattered populations in other areas. Shooting a free range lion in RSA is not as tough as many make it out to be. What is difficult is finding a skilled outfitter that knows the ropes and will work to get the permits. There are far easier ways to make a living for and outfitter. The struggle is that for every 50 people that call and tell you you want one, geneerate a mountain of work for you to get the permits, and then say they changed their mind or it's too much money. Lotta work for nothing, so most outfitters don't even bother with them.

 

[doorman]

the two year law goes into effect Feb. 2,2008. It is on all cats,rhinos and if I remember buffalo as well. There was some talk about this with game animals (only in SA) But it would have put too ranches out business. They were talking about tagging the new born, but some the ranches are 10,000 hectors or more.
Doorman

 

[doorman]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jjhack @ Nov 26 2007, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I have an operation to offer first time hunters. Most never thought it would be possible to go to Africa. A friend of mine's father has quite a big place and agreed to open it to a few trophy hunters. There are some massive trophy bulls here but it's been a family farm for 100 years and not exactly managed for game quality. The only hunting has been limited to biltong hunting( meat hunters). There are plenty of species and very likely some big trophies. However the average Kudu would probably be in the 45-49" range and impala 18-21"

I have calculated this to be able to offer it at 3800US per hunter for 1 each Kudu, impala, warthog. About 1000 bucks less then my usual hunting location. Additional game can be added from the trophy fee list.

This will be based out of the existing family farm house. Staying with the family who lives there. Private rooms, good food, and a nice clean home. If you ever thought about hunting Africa this is as inexpensive as I know of for real wild game. The Farm is 1000's of acres, but 30-40 percent of it is agriculture, Orchards and farmlands. The game has become enough of a problem now that the owner has agreed to allow some hunting to get the numbers back in line.

This landowner has had a 1/2 dozen cattle killed by leopards in the last year. You should see leopard tracks almost every day here. I've also seen one of the biggest warthogs in my life on this farm, More then 16"! We cannot get a leopard permit right now if you were wondering.

I must stress that this is not a typical hunting operation, but rather a farmhouse hunt with the local family that lives there. That trip to Africa to see wild game and hunt is as close as possible for you at 3800 bucks. If you have any further questions on this post up, others may be wondering about the same things as you are.[/b]

Is it acres or hectors? As far as the pricing A Kudu is normally $1500-2000. Impala is $400-500 and the same for the warthog.
How far from Joburg is it?Do pick the hunter or hunters up? If it is only 1000 acres and them farm 30-40 % is the rest wooded? Also is it high fenced ?

Is sounds like it might be a good 1 st time Africa hunt!!
Doorman

 

[Rick]

Jim says in one of his posts that it includes roundtrip to and from the airport in Jo'burg.

The dollar has fallen in the international marketplace, so prices may well be higher than last year.