What would you do?

[boarhunter67]

Sorry about the doggie door and frisbee tangent. I was just poking fun.

 

[bayedsolid]

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Do these tracking, hound, hunting dogs actually chase livestock, ranch pets when it trespasses into neighboring ranches???[/b]

No, and it was never implied by any of the hog doggers here that any of the dogs were ever chasing livestock. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>

Even just barking can set livestock on a dead run.[/b]

And even just a few shots from a rifle can send livestock on a dead run. And...if you'd like to compare the two, I'd bet the blast from a rifle scares the hell out of them a whole lot more than a bark from a dog. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>

Hound hunting may just set off some unstable fellow when he sees his livestock running to get away from the hounds.[/b]

And the sight of a rifle hunter could set off some unstable fellow when does the same. Why is the fellow unstable? What do you think the ratio of unstable to stable ranch owners is, just out of curiosity, since this seems a plausable situation in your mind? This is another rediculous statement. Come on....Really. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>

In any case if I shoot & kill the piggie & the houndsman later walks up & claims the piggie as his hound harvest, I would say, "take it". None to argue about something that 3 years from now looking back is really inconsequential. It is more important to be kind than to be right. Out in the woods, you really do not know who you are dealing with. Better to difffuse the situation right away & move on. Plenty of piggies in this world. God Bless.[/b]

Just another statement that paints dog runners in a bad light. You shoot a pig and "later" a houndsman walks up and claims it. This after numerous statements from numerous hog doggers that say they would all do just the opposite. You make it sound like the houndsman is an a-hole. Why?? What productive purpose does this serve?

I think I'm going to start a whole new topic on rifle hunters and just come up all sorts of situations that "might occur" even though none of them have happened to me....and they'll all just happen to portray the rifle hunter as an insensitive, self-centered, law breaking, uncaring jerk. I don't really have a reason to do so since none of the situations have happened to me but who knows, maybe some of the other guys with dogs will jump in and it will be as much fun as you all are having. Let me start.


What would you do if you were hunting your dogs on private land, (where they should be) and some poaching rifle hunter came off of the public land to your bayed dogs on the private land?

Personally I would let them have the hog after they shot it and get the hell out of there because it is not worth a confrontation out in the woods. There are plenty of pigs out in the world so it's not worth dealing with an unstable hunter that is running around the hills with a loaded weapon. Some rifle hunters like to blast the hog 15 to 20 times after it's dead so it makes for a very unsafe situation for the dogs when they do. I mean, just look at all of the street signs and BLM signs that get all shot up from these wacko's. I'd hate to get caught in a stampeed of cattle when they go off on some tangent with their damn rifles up in the hills either. The hogs are always running scared from being blasted at constantly. It's getting rough out there 'cause so many of these guys don't look at the No Trespassing signs and fences don't even slow them down. It's hard to run the dogs at all these days.

Man, I have loads of these stories....and a decent imagination too. I should fit right in here.

 

[boarhunter67]

Okay. I admit it. Most of my comments have been just to make things interesting on here. At the time I said I'd shoot a "caught" pig it was because nobody was disagreeing so I thought I'd see if anyone would jump on the band wagon. I just wanted to see what would happen and it was fun. But seriously I wouldn't, in fact, shoot if the pig were, in fact, "caught."

 

[pig guide]

By all means. Call the fish and Game. Call the D.A. in your area. Tell them that " YOU have the RIGHT of retreival" on any man's land, just like you insist, for any reason what so ever, and find out what the penalties are.
You have the " Right " to YOUR own property AS THE LAW IS WRITTEN. Not the RIGHT to enter any mans land, home, dwelling, car, etc.... for your possesions. i.e. dogs.
If the owner of said land gives you permission, then so be it. I just pitty anyone, who reads the law as it is written, and then says that it doesn't pertain to them. AND, that is what you are saying. In YOUR own way.
SO????? Manson didn't need to pay attention to the MURDER laws because he dodn't FEEL that it was pertaining to his situation? Damn.

This horse has died and we need to stop beating it. I will not respond to amymore rhetoric re this subject.

Good hunting to you all.

 

[larrysogla]

Geezzz......Speck you threw a spark on gasoline here.
Personally for me, hunting is not a survival issue, it is just a sport, a recreation, a hobby. SO, I have a lot of tolerance for inconsiderate folks. I would not get into a tangle with a houndsman over a hog but all the sniffing, barking, running certainly will alert hogs & deer to stay clear of the vicinity. Like Speck said, if a pack of hounds shows up in your vicinity, it will spook game out of the vicinity. Spooked game means the hunt is OVER. After hours & hours of driving to get to the hunting area & for a pack of dogs to ruin my carefully planned & hours driven hunt it would certainly fall under the label "INCONSIDERATE" for a houndsman to run his hounds on public hunting areas. California should legislate that hounds be restricted only to private property. 'Nuff said.

 

[larrysogla]

As a matter of fact we should start a letter writing campaign to our Assemblymen & State Senators to restrict hound hunting to private property. We should do that. 'Nuff said.

 

[jawtightener]

uh oh...

 

[Common Sense]

Originally posted by larrysogla@Apr 13 2005, 11:55 AM
As a matter of fact we should start a letter writing campaign to our Assemblymen & State Senators to restrict hound hunting to private property. We should do that. 'Nuff said.

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That's right, it is what the majority of hunters want, so lets pass another law; there's more of us than there are "houndsmen".

After the law is passed, we will be able to hunt is peace on public property.


But wait, there are a lot more "tree-huggers" in CA than hunters; what happens when the enviro-nuts want to ban shooting on public land because it distrupts their meditation?

I don't like hounds, but more government is worse than the dogs.

 

[bayedsolid]

larrysogla--You suck dude...really! Yes, I know....no personal attacks ect...I've read the rules, but I don't really care. Any hunter that would come on a public hunting forum and call for the all out ban on any type of hunting on public land, need to be kicked square in the nuts. I don't rifle hunt for hogs so maybe I should go to the next houndsman banquet and rally support and start a letter writing campaign to our Assemblymen & State Senators to restrict rifle hunters off of public land. Even though most public land is most used by hunters, it isn't public "hunting" land....it's public land. How the hell would you feel if a non-hunter called for a ban on rifle hunting? Oooh....now look at larrysogla all up in arms!!! Wait...that would be different I'm sure. I better make that an archery hog hunter calling for a total banishment of rifle hunters off public land because they scare all the game away with their shooting. You're always yanking yourself off to the Texas almanac, maybe you should consider a move.

 

[larrysogla]

No comment, just got carried away I guess. Sorry.

 

[bayedsolid]

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No comment, just got carried away I guess. Sorry[/b]

No...getting a little carried away was what you did in your first post by calling all houndsman inconsiderate when you don't have any reason to. You got carried away when you said <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>

after hours & hours of driving to get to the hunting area & for a pack of dogs to ruin my carefully planned & hours driven hunt[/b]

by implying that the houndsman didn't have to drive hours & hours for a carefully planned hunt but the rifle hunter did. Carried away is what you were, and alot of others were by going off on a rip the hog doggers a new a-hole tangent, for no other reason than we do it differently than you and there "could possibly" be a conflict although it is extremely rare and nobody here has actually had it happen to them. Carried away to me means a little over the line, but the line is right here in California, and you my friend, are somewhere in Egypt. Appology or no...I still call

 

[gonehunting]

 

[wello]

Originally posted by RIFLEMAN@Apr 11 2005, 01:44 PM
wello,

I do not see where I answered the question out of context, at least, as I understood it. No, I did not miss the "no", or the "solely", but simply misunderstood the question in the way it was written. I understood the question to ask me when was the last time I was in the field in something other than a houndsman's perspective.

As I hunt several other species without the use of my hounds, I think it is entirely reasonable to say that I do not apply my houndsman's perspective or experience when pursuing those species.

If it is your position that my experience as a houndsman clouds or jades my perspective, please explain how this might be.

Answer this question for me: How does my experience or perspective as a houndsman (for hog, bear, bobcat and coon) affect my experience or perspective as a deer hunter, a pronghorn hunter, etc? In other words, how does my experience as a houndsman alienate my perspective as a deer hunter from the deer hunter with no "houndsman experience?"

Explain how a houndsman could not separate or distinguish between the two perspectives.

Rifleman, This in-discussion no longer applies to topic. Out of context is rampant due to tainted assumption. Not really anyones fault or problem if someone can't see that our little in-discussion actually proves the seperation valid and for your bennefit as a houndsman. How I got there is not relevant for anyone else but me I suppose. If you want to call my end goals jaded as such via false assupmtion then go for it. That is not the reasoning behind my points or questions though...If ya can't see it then ya can't. I would just be wasting my time (again) explaining some need for Black and White perspective....
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In other words, how does my experience as a houndsman alienate my perspective as a deer hunter from the deer hunter with no "houndsman experience?"

Explain how a houndsman could not separate or distinguish between the two perspectives.[/b]

.. For those able to see more in things than just fact ....not gonna go there already been there, it's all in there like Ragu sauce, IF is a big word if it were only there.
Good luck understanding everything and how ya got where ya are..God Bless.

 

[RIFLEMAN]

Somebody please tell me that I'm not the only one who finds it difficult to understand what wello is saying.

 

[SierraExplorer]

Originally posted by RIFLEMAN@Apr 14 2005, 11:23 AM
Somebody please tell me that I'm not the only one who finds it difficult to understand what wello is saying.

I understand all of Wello's post as clear as an ocular sextant looking to the north evening sky- being interjected by the white light of truth. More-so than any syrum can make an incoherant tounge speak legibly when intersected by the truth of the dividing rod.

 

[Timjackson]

Exactly!

 

[BLASTMASTER]

 

[wello]

Can I claim the 5th and defer to Satchmo? Impressions...Now that is hard to understand..

ever see "I heart huckabees"

..ahh, thoughtlessness, what joy!

 

[SierraExplorer]

Dayum- Can I kill a thread and be called the truce maker or what?

You have a very rare tallent when you have seen Rifleman read and not respond in 8 hours.

OO- Are the flood gates opened again?

 

[RIFLEMAN]

Sierra,

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Dayum- Can I kill a thread and be called the truce maker or what?  You have a very rare tallent when you have seen Rifleman read and not respond in 8 hours.[/b]

How could I respond? I don't even know the language you and wello speak!