Where NOT to hunt.

[EVAN III]

Hicntry, Great story, it would be interesting to see dogs work like that. Bet those dogs would have passed up a nice juicy steak to have been in the brush with that pig.


Shot, I think the point is that just because it's not your cup of tea doesn't make others wrong, It's great that you are proud of your style of hunting, just seems you can be proud of yourself even if you don't put others and thier style of hunting down. I'm with you, I'd rather work my tail off and enjoy it. But then again I'm 26 years old, single with no kids and in pretty good shape, everyone should be so fortunate to have the time and ability to hunt that way.

(general comment not directed at anyone) If you have to put orthers down to make yourself feel like a better hunter, then maybe you ought focus on self esteem and take a long hard look at yourself.

 

[elkron]

Originally posted by EVAN III@Apr 14 2004, 08:04 PM
Just thought I'd chime in. Pigs on tajon are fenced in, does that make them farm pigs?

Evan III,
WHO TOLD YOU TEJON RANCH WAS FENCED???DO YOU THINK A BARBED WIRE FENCE WILL CONTAIN "WILD" HOGS??? FARM HOGS INDEED!!!! Been hunting hogs long SON???

elkron

 

[Bishop]

Geez Elkron, relax a little bit.
Everyone knows Tejon is fenced. In fact you have to drive thru guard gates to get in and out. And we all know the pigs there were once escapees from the "Cummings Ranch", a fenced operation. The pigs, antelope, and elk on the ranch are all introduced species. Though the pigs were introduced by accident. To me that dosen't make it any less desirable of a place to hunt then public land. In fact I think the Tejon Ranch is one of the best places to hunt in California. It only takes a generation or two for released pigs to become wild feral pigs.
The big problem is some people automatically assume that "fenced" means tall inpenetrable electified escape proof fences. I've never seen this type of fence in California. But that dosen't mean they don't exist. Most of the ranch fencing I've seen (including Bighorn) consists of a couple strands of barbed wire.

 

[pitdog]

Just to clear the air about killing a ram in my friend’s backyard, he raises these to sell to game ranches. I bought one from him (to butcher) and shot it with my bow because there was no way to round em up. He has about 10 acres and over 100 rams.

As far as BigHorn goes, I wanted some pork and I needed to kill something. This was a way to try out my new bow on a pig and fill the freezer. I did NOT have the illusion that I was hunting. I’m not ashamed of killing a pig at BigHorn for food. I would much rather kill my own beef, chicken, pork etc… than have someone else do it for me.

We are all hunters and we are all in different stages of sportsmanship. I prefer fairchase and would rather hunt fairchase. I haven’t reached the “purist plateau” stage of sportsmanship since I have no problem hunting with a guide or over bait etc…(for now, but I think in a couple years I will be a purist

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[F350]

Wow!!!
I've been gone for a few days and look what's transpired.

Hicntry,
I absolutely consider you a hunter and as for the dogs? give'em a belly scratch
for me. Again, It's not the method of take so much as the place. These "Put & Takes" have commercialized (sp?) killing animals and call it hunting. I personally don't agree with that.

Tejon is not "Put & Take" and believe me, I'll be there on the next POR.
I know first hand that 3 strands of wire will not even slow a "Wild" Hog down.

As for those of you who go to the "Big Horns" for the purpose of killing your own meat? I don't disagree with that either, we all have to eat and a fresh kill is the best meat ever. But, some folks go and harvest meat and then tell stories of the hunt. It's not a hunt, It's a slaughter and that's fine. Just call it like it is.

Dogs for hunting? Heck yes it's a hunt. Someone had to train those Dogs and furthermore, there's a much larger risk for the dogs and thier master. I would love to go on a hunt with dogs someday, I think it would be really exciting (Hicntry...Hint...Hint).

I'm not trying to say that one person is more hunter thatn another or that method makes one person any less of a hunter. But "put & Take" ? C'mon....Hunting???

 

[hicntry]

I think a big factor in where one should not hunt really depends on what your driving. If you have a Chevy, the places are limitless.LOL

 

[F350]

Guess I should confess.
I've actually been a Chevy man most of my life. Unfortunately, the Duramax Diesel leaves much to be desired. Not to mention the deal I got on my truck.
I payed true factory invoice and must say she hasn't given me an ounce of grief.

Had to go with diesel for the torque etc... But the truck before this was a Chevy with a 454. 8 MPG

Now I get 20

Sure do wish we could get back on topic though. I think only two people put places they would not hunt or hunt again.

Don't get me wrong though, I think this was a much needed debate.

 

[EVAN III]

Elkron, relax before you pop a vein

As for calling me son, A poor attempt at feeling superior. I know a fence won't keep in hogs, why do you think the pigs are on Tajon, they escaped from another ranch. Ever hear of people hunting San Timatao canyon for pigs, thats because they escaped from Big Horn. Just about all pigs in california were placed here and have become feral. Tajon happend to get lucky around 15 years ago and now has feral pigs. I have been to Tajon and it does offer good pig hunting, but it still has a fence. In fact it has fences all over the property, I remember getting out of the truck several times to open gates. Whatever your stake in Tajon ranch is, rest assured I don't mean to say that it is an anyway like Big Horn or any other ranch.

 

[F350]

Originally posted by elkron+Apr 19 2004, 07:30 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (elkron @ Apr 19 2004, 07:30 AM)</div>

<!--QuoteBegin-EVAN III

@Apr 14 2004, 08:04 PM
Just thought I'd chime in  Pigs on tajon are fenced in, does that make them farm pigs?

Evan III,
WHO TOLD YOU TEJON RANCH WAS FENCED???DO YOU THINK A BARBED WIRE FENCE WILL CONTAIN "WILD" HOGS??? FARM HOGS INDEED!!!! Been hunting hogs long SON???

elkron [/b]

Bwahahahahahahaha "SON"

He called you son.

That's fresh!

 

[pitdog]

Back on the subject: "Where not to hunt"

San Timatao canyon!!!

That place has ghost pigs. I would like to run a couple dogs through there but the tree huggers from Riverside parks put a stop to hunting.

 

[F350]

Thanks pitdog,
I was wondering about that place.
So, there's no hunting there period now huh?

I figured if they're escaping from Big Horn they'd go feral in a couple of generations and we'd have a south side hunting place.

 

[pitdog]

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So, there's no hunting there period now huh?[/b]

Yep, thanks to some anti scum. We need to find a land owner near the Santa Ana river in Norco.

 

[F350]

Pitdog,
let me know if you do (send an email). I have family down in that area.
I can drop my kids off for the weekend and take the gun for a walk. Even if it's scarce hunting it's still hunting.

 

[Freedivr2]

ANYWHERE (Atascadero/Pozo area) where the wonderful Eldon Bergman is charging for "guiding" services.

 

[F350]

freedivr2,
I don't get your post.
Splain please?

 

[archer4evr]

Just a little clarification needed here.

First, to those that hunted the old Big Horn Canyon ranch, located just yards north of their location now, the fence consisted of pig wire 4"x4" secured underground by concrete.
Second, At that time, the other owners use to bring in pigs that were trapped wild. I know it is illegal but thats why the pigs then were harder to hunt. Some as far away as Texas.
Third, the pigs that did escape were of wild decent, not the 4H animals of todays BHCR.

But for the beginner, the pig harvest at BHCR is a great learning tool. Just dont call it a hunt. Their able to operate under the laws of put and take. You buy the animal & harvest it any way you want, as long as you do not break any laws.

In the mid 80tys, when I helped out there skinning and retrieving wounded game, I was sent to Hogs Wild by the owners of BHCR to see how hard their hunt was, at the time advertising a very hard archery hunt. Even advertised that no archer had been sucsessfull up do that point. My friend Tim & I ended that ad campaign. Never went back again.

 

[Freedivr2]

F350...............sorry, that post was kinda cryptic I guess.

All I meant to say was that regarding where NOT to hunt; I wouldn't want to hunt WHEREVER Mr. Eldon Bergman is guiding. In other words, wouldn't ever want to hunt in places he picks to hunt. That guide (to me) has got to be on the bottom 10 in the California guides list (this is from a personal experience I had with him 20 years ago where he told us we'd be hunting on private land and then he takes us to some public land in Pozo with cars lined up and down a road and people all over the place, get up there at 8am, way past early light. There's more but I'll leave it at that. Terrible experience.).

 

[F350]

Freedivr2,
Thanks for the update.
My attitude is this; The customer is NOT always right, but the customer ALWAYS remembers.

By us sharing our experiences with each other, WE control the market.

 

[boarbuster]

what does it matter if they are behind a high fence or not. to each his own. all of or hogs here in california were domestic at some point or another. i have heard that hogs wild in coalinga had done some releases. they were raising oigs and when the market dropped out they just realsed them. but this is hear say so i dont know.

 

[HOGHUNTER714]

"San Timatao Canyon"...I used to hunt dove over in those canyons about 10 years ago. Last year my buddy and I were hunting dove about 20 miles south of there. At the end of the day we decided to drive over to San Timatao Canyon Road. We drove right up to the gate where I used to access the fields. "CLOSED, NO HUNTING"

That really sucked, I knew of some decent areas back in there too...The Riverside Dept of Parks and Rec took that one over....