New JHO Members- What's Going on Here Lately?....Take Precautions!

[dchunter]

I for one would never give up info or take anyone to a spot I know produces because that just leads to a train reaction. They tell their buddy and so on. I wouldn't even let my brother bring his brother-in-law to the area I scouted my butt of during the summer to find. I told him he can bring him IF I got one. So I got one and he brought the old brother-in-law and he told me the brother in law took some rediculously long shot at a buck. My brother is lucky he's my brother, that's all I can say. Other than my kids, I don't tell a soul. It's not to be a jerk by why would I give away information and my hunting spots after putting in all that time and effort? I don't even tell friends who don't hunt in fear they will pass it on to someone who does hunt. If I meet up with someone and we scout or hunt an area neither is familiar with, then that is a different story. Don't give up your spots to anyone, not even me! Good luck everyone. P.S. - Another member on this website was shocked to see we hunt the same general area for deer because not a lot of guys hunt it. He hadn't bagged a deer last season and he asked if I was hunting the same spot he was in fear the deer were getting pressured too much. Turns out I was a mile away but we both know it best to be very hush hush about the areas we hunt. Call me paranoid but unfortunately if you want to be successful, especially on public land, keep to yourselves. If people are serious about being successful, they will do what we have done. They will work for it.

 

[THE ROMAN ARCHER]

Well its been almost 24 hrs since I put ShU LACE on blast and gave him a chance to defend himself on my claim and he didn't, which proves my point 1000% what his agenda is here on jho.

so to show u how much nerve SHU LACE has to still persist to try and get info for spots, while we were all having this discussion yesterday and while waiting for a response from him he was on the turkey forum still trying to get info from Sniper1 on his post........tra

PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO HIM AT ALL, USE YOUR IGNORE FEATURE



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[hks95134]

Im always trying to help new guys but I think Im done trying to help any more. Some of these guys just turn there backs on you and dont care about what you are trying to teach them

From now on I will just be giving general advice about certain zones and such.

 

[hks95134]

Talk to any college kid with room mates, and they will tell you a similar story. It starts off friendly but by the end of the semester each roommate is convinced the other is the devil incarnate. I tend to think this is just human nature. Not every human is going to get along with every other human. The better man is the one who manages to walk away without badmouthing anyone.

I actually got along great with all of my college roommates. No problems with that.

 

[Ricky Ortiz]

Well it's unfortunate that you had a bad experience. But, they all can't be good right? I'm a licensed falconer and I get a lot of people even people I've known for awhile show interest and beg me to take them out or possibly sponsor them so they can start they're journey as a falconer. More than half show up late or don't show up at all and ocassionay the few that just want to keep a bird of prey just to keep one. The people that are dedicated to the sport will show you by their actions. I'm not exactly new I lurk mainly and like to read the success stories you all have. I'd love to ask some of you if I could tag along on a hunt but I know my experience and stamina level would slow most of you down and be hindrance more than anything. So I just keep notes of places referenced and go out on my own. Haven't had much luck but it gets me out in the woods and that's all that really matters to me and if a hunt comes together you all can count on a pic or two.

 

[slanttop357]

Hi Rickey, good looking red tail is it a female ? i gave that a try 30 years ago i loved my bird but she had a strong will to fly away 3 times to be exact thank goodness i got her back each time, i had a tough time passing the test and ended up releasing her where i caught her.

 

[sabershooter]

I would love to go on a falcon hunt as a spectator that's cool u do that ....what do u hunt with them?

 

[Ricky Ortiz]

Hi Rickey, good looking red tail is it a female ? i gave that a try 30 years ago i loved my bird but she had a strong will to fly away 3 times to be exact thank goodness i got her back each time, i had a tough time passing the test and ended up releasing her where i caught her.

Yes she is a female I flew her for a season and then released her great bird and had the best temperament out of the few redtails I have flown.

Sabershooter: We can hunt cottontails, and jacks mainly with redtails, harrishawks, and goshawks but are capable of taking ducks given a good slip on one. Falcons most people duck hawk depending on what they are flying. I currently have a harris hawk we've caught jacks with her and came close on some ducks and pheasant getting the right set up for them is the tricky part. It's molting season right now but come September I'll be out chasing game again your more than welcome to tag along.

 

[sabershooter]

Thanks for the invite but stockton is a drive not to far but maybe if ime down that way would love to see ur bird in action

 

[Bubblehide]

Now this is an interesting thread. But before I start, Thanks Bruce, I had no idea you felt that way, and, I have no idea what i did to go above and beyond. But Bruce, just so you know, one of the reasons I did what I could, was because of the positive things Jim D had to say about you; believe it or not.

But, back to this thread. I think I get it, from both sides, the experienced hunters, and the new hunters, wanna-be hunters, or what ever you prefer to call them. The bottom line is that being successful on public land is not easy; hell, just look at the hunter success rates. As an experienced hunter, the success rates have never deterred me, no matter how low they may be. But hell, I can imagine what the new guy might go through, just to harvest a big game animal. I also know that it will likely take a new hunter at least 5 or more years to harvest an animal, on average; without an experienced hunter mentoring him or her; I am strictly talking public lands here. I think we all know hunting private land is very often a completely different game.

Most here know me, by my screen name, and my writings/responses... you also know that I pretty freely give out information, and general area information. But when it comes to those draw zones that you can only draw once every 10 or more years, those zones that I know, I do give out specific area information, when someone asks. I simply figure that anyone that collects all those preference points, deserves a little help, after all those years of waiting. As for me, and those difficult draws, I gave up on them years ago, I simply enjoy hunting much to much, to wait around, hoping and praying, that I draw. I almost never have a single preference point. I recall telling a guy on this forum, about a very specific spot in X5B (I told him of many), my number one go to spot, a spot I would return to every few days, as it would always eventually have at least one smoker of a buck in it, during the season. He told me that the zone biologist had also told him that that would be his number one spot also. Yet the guy never hunted that particular spot. It's kinda funny, sometimes, there are simply many honey holes in a given zone. And, people have their own hunting styles, some hunting styles lead a person to hunt specific areas over others. Sometimes one's limitations, lead a person to hunt specific areas over others...

Other times, the best advice is just ignored. Since were reminiscing here, I recall last years hunt in the Sierra's. My regular Sierra partner backed out of hunting there with me, due to bone loss in his hip, and the hunt being a long hard hunt. So I invited my D-13 hunting partner; a fairly new to hunting hunter. It was the last hunt day of our hunt, we were working our way up a ridge in the dark, when I spotted 3 deer skirting to the side of us, but looking like they wanted to stay in the area; 2 were legal bucks. My buddy was after any legal buck at this point in the hunt. He had passed on a few legal bucks early on in the hunt. But he had went 2 to 3 days without seeing a legal buck, and with it being the last hunt day, he was feeling like he was on borrowed time. I quietly advised him to to just lay down until legal shooting hours, and the deer would likely be within shooting distance. My buddy had the need to try and put the stalk on them, while it was still dark. So I let him do his thing, and I proceeded to head up the mountain, to where my buck lay, dead from the previous evening. As the sun came up, and still having a way to go, I sat my butt down and started glassing, trying to glass up a legal buck for my buddy, as I knew what the outcome would be; as I had been there and done that many times in my early years of hunting. As it happened, a respectable forky came over a saddle and started feeding, only 224 yards away, with the wind in my face. Pretty soon, my buddy comes around the corner, from the right direction. I signaled for him to approach cautiously. I directed him to my backpack, already set up for him to use as a rest. A few seconds later, he had his first Sierra buck down. I left him to gut skin and debone his buck, while I continued to retrieve mine. So in short, despite the advice we give, the specifics we give, areas to hunt... it may or may not go to use, no matter who were giving it to.

On the other hand, I like many here on this forum, have worked extremely hard to not only find the spots I hunt, but to also invest the time and effort in learning how to best hunt those areas. The, I personally find to be much more important. Someone earlier in the thread wasn't sure what a honey hole was, when applied to hunting; to me a honey hole is a place that consistently holds game, a place where the game is predictable, given the conditions (weather, feed, wind...). A honey hole is where you wake up well before sun-up, to get to your intended spot in the dark, and find yourself with 6 or more legal bucks around you, as I did this past year, in D-13. A honey hole, is where you have the opportunity to harvest at least one legal buck, each day you hunt, as I did in the Sierra's this past year. I will also tell you that these spots are not honey hols because they hold game, they are such sweet honey holes because I made the investment of time and effort (lots and lots of time and effort) to learn how to hunt these areas; how to hunt them without spooking the game, or having a minimal impact on the game. I took the time to pattern the game behavior, their travel routes when not under pressure, and when under pressure. I took the time to know what their feeding on, and when; where they water... In short, there are many honey holes in a given zone, but so many enter them, and never recognize them as a honey hole. One such example is when I took a guy into my D-13 honey hole during a Santa Anna, it was void of game, in fact, it was void of any animals, birds... At the time, due to the severe winds. I told him it would be, and to this day, to the best of my knowledge, he never returned. no I can't say that it was due to the lack of game, or the arduous hike to get there, not to mention the hike back to the truck.

But, someone that is here to pick spots, like they're picking through items at a garage sale, now that there is something woefully different. It's reaping the rewards off the sweat and blood of others; with no regard, in any regard.

 

[quicknick]

This shu lace guy is trippy, he sent me this message today.
[h=2]

Awesome! Another hunter from Ripon![/h]

We ar origionally from Ripon!

We should plan a public land hunt soon!

Where about do you hunt?!​

What is this dude about, troll? I know its not cool to post a PM but this is just weird.

Shu Lace, we need to know what your deal is!

 

[huntingbret]

Unfortunately, that's how these hunting/fishing forums work. Like I have said before and I'll say it again. Only 10% of the active members post while the other 90% just lurks around and asking for good spots. Trust me, I know first hand. One time, I took a fellow hunter out to a secluded area in D7 with little human traffic and the next year, the place was like a human zoo. Not only that, I took him out cause he gave me a sobbing story of hunting for a decade without any success. It has happened to me for hunting as well as fishing so now if I don't know you and you are not one of the active 10% of guys that constantly post, I ain't taking you out. Its as simple as that.

 

[slanttop357]

I did notice he posted in several different threads and all he ask's is to hook up with someone to fish/Deer/Pig hunt kinda not the norm.

 

[hks95134]

Unfortunately, that's how these hunting/fishing forums work. Like I have said before and I'll say it again. Only 10% of the active members post while the other 90% just lurks around and asking for good spots. Trust me, I know first hand. One time, I took a fellow hunter out to a secluded area in D7 with little human traffic and the next year, the place was like a human zoo. Not only that, I took him out cause he gave me a sobbing story of hunting for a decade without any success. It has happened to me for hunting as well as fishing so now if I don't know you and you are not one of the active 10% of guys that constantly post, I ain't taking you out. Its as simple as that.

That always seems to be the same sad sob story ... years and years without success.

Guess what boys ... that's why it's called a "sport."

You might win, and you might lose.

 

[sabershooter]

He won't respond to any of this he will continue to troll.till he gets what he wants so he will be trolling for.awhile cause no one is going to give hima spot .....with all the time he is trolling he could be putting boots to the ground he says he is hunting but still posting all day . I know ime not on the net when ime hunting

Shu lace put in ur own work

 

[slanttop357]

Thats what its all about putting time in to something you enjoy. When i started and my hunting buddy started to miss our bow hunting trips to X12 i said see you later i am going with or without you. If he has any love for the sport he will quit asking and start doing on his own. Hell i did not have a (Mentor) i did not need one why would i with all that great big forest just waiting to be explored.

 

[sbrooks1985]

I've been lurking on here to just figure out how to determine if an area allows hunting. Got that figured out, got my advanced hunters ed class in a couple weeks to learn how to process an animal, then hoping to be able to join in on the sharing of stories. Not all us newbies suck, unfortunately it's the few bad apples spoiling the bunch.

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[sabershooter]

I've been lurking on here to just figure out how to determine if an area allows hunting. Got that figured out, got my advanced hunters ed class in a couple weeks to learn how to process an animal, then hoping to be able to join in on the sharing of stories. Not all us newbies suck, unfortunately it's the few bad apples spoiling the bunch.

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Correct not all newbies suck I agree with that

 

[Nickrp]

Man this is a depressing thread haha.... sorry you had such a crap trip, sounds terrible. Just dont let one bad... well from the sound of it completely rotted apple ruin the bunch for ya. there are awesome newbies on here (like me!! hahaha) just sounds like that guy was way overly excited and not use to hiking with a buddy/self centered. Good luck on your future meetups!

 

[quaildeath]

Saw this same thing happen on a surf fishing forum on a really hot bite. The place was blown out by the weekend.

As far as honey holes go, I have have heard on here that there are no more of these...someone has been there before you.
I tell you I got a milk run of little nooks and crannies of quail spots up the 15 FWY that I put in boot leather and gas miles to find by myself alone. These mean the most to me. Before I take someone to MY spots they are filling out and application with boot leather at a "tougher" spot first, a meet and greet and a hunt at one of their spots.

Side note in finding these spots, I learned to be successful hunting quail alone, with no dog, quietly and slowly. I had a few 5-8 bird days in these locals.....45 minutes out of the OC.