What's the word on Cecil the Lion?

[Bubblehide]

Okay, a bit more: Game animals are regulated because there is a scientific need in-order to maintain a healthy population. Whereas varmints, such as coyotes will maintain a healthy population despite intensive hunting pressure, thus no need to regulate the hunting of them. So in short, my comments boil down to basic ethics in regard to responsible hunter participation in the management process.

 

[JustGuy]

Okay, a bit more: Game animals are regulated because there is a scientific need in-order to maintain a healthy population. Whereas varmints, such as coyotes will maintain a healthy population despite intensive hunting pressure, thus no need to regulate the hunting of them. So in short, my comments boil down to basic ethics in regard to responsible hunter participation in the management process.

Maybe in Africa regs are different?

Are lions edible? I heard mountain lions are good eating, even better than coyotes. What about zebras? They must be terrible.

BTW, he was not participating in the management process, he was participating in a trophy getting process.

 

[Bubblehide]

I have no idea what lion taste like. However Lewis and Clark wrote in their journals that Mountain Lion was the best tasting meat on the North American continent.

As hunters, we value the renewable resource that we hunt, whether that be deer, bear, dove, ducks, lion... As such, we willfully participate in a responsible management process, whether we are after a trophy animal or something to fill the freezer; we understand the value that sound management plays in maintaining healthy wildlife populations. We value those animals, the meat they provide, and any many other parts we may utilize, including having them mounted on the wall, in respect for the animal and it's species. What we hunters do, after pulling the trigger, is act in an ethical and responsible manner, and despite the death of our prey, we honor that animal in many different way, for me, one such way is at the dinner table; I am grateful for every meal, as I also know that there are no additives, no GMO's, no added hormones... IMNSHO, there is no honor in "trophy hunting" if the only thing you take from a game animal is the cape, head... and leave the rest to rot, waste... That is simply careless and unethical.

Now, to further my point on this guy being a black eye on hunters: Many of these trophy hunts are conducted in an ethical, responsible manner, designed to take aging animals that would soon meet their demise anyway, one way or the other, most likely, by a prolonged death. These hunts always raise much need funds to manage their species, and those funds go directly into management programs that benefit these animals. In this case, that money clearly did not go to benefit any wildlife, or wildlife programs, nope, all it did was line the pockets of unscrupulous people with no care for the wildlife at all. The odds of this guy not having any suspicions of the hunt being illegal are very slim. But then, we already know he is willing to break hunting regulations to get what he wants.

 

[Common Sense]

We also know that he plead guilty to killing a bear in a closed area in Wisconsin, and involved in moving the bear (once dead) to an open area, and falsifying documents stating that the bear was killed in the open area. Those documents required his signature, so there was no way he was unaware of this violation. So in short, we know that this "hunter", if you can even call him that, is clearly willing to not only bend the regulation, but clearly break them, to get what he wants.

Forty years ago a friend of mine asked me if I was going quail hunting the next day because it was the season opener. I thanked my buddy for the info and the next morning I grabbed my 20 gauge and a couple of boxes of shells. Drove up to the cabin, got out of the car, and started walking. Within five minutes I busted a big covey, and after a couple of hours I had my ten birds. I walked back to the cabin, cleaned the birds and put them in the fridge. Drove up the hill about a mile to get a hamburger. The shop keeper asked me if I was the one shooting a shotgun all morning, and I told him it was me. He asked what I was shooting, and I told him. He then started laughing and told me that the season opened next week; and he was right. I have never gone hunting again without checking the regs to make sure I am legal.

Thankfully, Mr. Greenjeans didn't catch me. But if old #1Predator had come by and not felt sorry for a dumb kid and given me a citation instead of a warning; I would have plead guilty(cause I was).


The dentist was clearly guilty in Wisconsin; but may not have realized he was wrong until the bear was dead. Maybe his crime was cover-up instead of poaching.


Most of us have had a traffic citation, I've had four in my life. My wife has never even been pulled over, much less a ticket. Does that mean if she runs over a jaywalking pedestrian, it was an accident? But because of my "record", if I do the same, am I a murderer?



The dentist may be as guilty as sin, it wouldn't surprise me at all. But until convicted, I will presume him innocent.

 

[Deleted member 33033]

Zebra is delicious, very sweet. So is horse. I've eaten both. I'm bold like that. <g>

 

[dustin ray]

A few years ago at the "wild game feed" they had Elephant Ass not sure thats what it was but it was good

 

[JustGuy]

Bubblehide, excellent summary, agreed 100%

Common, very nice, there is a saying in bible , helm me to translate, i never read it in English. Should be something like" one who without a sin thro a stone" you know what i'm talking about.

 

[Bubblehide]

Bubblehide, excellent summary, agreed 100%

Common, very nice, there is a saying in bible , helm me to translate, i never read it in English. Should be something like" one who without a sin thro a stone" you know what i'm talking about.

Let the one without sin cast the first stone.

 

[Bubblehide]

Bubblehide, excellent summary, agreed 100%

...

JustGuy, I've read a lot of your posts now, and I think I have a pretty good understanding about how you think and feel about hunting, it's issues... I think we have a lot in common. But I also know that the above comment, from you, is one of your highest complements, thanks!

 

[JustGuy]

Yep, your translation is much better than mine, i wander why

 

[OPAH]

Of course lions eatable, there are PURRRRetos and Cattitos right here just south of the boarder.

 

[Revo2811]

Of course lions eatable, there are PURRRRetos and Cattitos right here just south of the boarder.

If those street tacos are perritos and gatitos they are the best


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[OPAH]

OK its been a while now, do we have any factual recap of this? Or should we let the died Lion lay?

 

[Bubblehide]

I don't know, I am still waiting for a response from 1Adam12

 

[OPAH]

Seems It Is real personal for Adam32, He has stamped his foot down and made his assessment's and assertions from his point of view same as we did minus the written theatrics. But I would like to know what his connection is here sympathizer, admirer, Family, I am sure he has some insight that we are not privy to.

 

[adam32]

Nope, no insight. I'm just not one to throw a fellow hunter/trophy hunter under the bus until actual facts are out. And the media hype isn't facts. Especially considering it started out as a resident of Spain using a cross bow.

It seems it's real personal for OPAH, automatically going on the attack against him and all trophy hunters. Which hopefully you understand that all hunters are trophy hunters. Condone one, condone all.

 

[OPAH]

Throw out the cross bow, throw out the cubs, throw out the baiting the lion off the refuge. He did not have good shot placement, it took several days to track the lion down and then shoot it with a rifle, they took the GPS off and tossed it in a tree, this is not disputed.
from any angle of view this is not good. He also was convicted of illegally shooting a bear, this also is fact.
These are Facts, as for Trophy Hunting more power to them, do it legal. be proficient with your weapon and have at it, never did I say anything negative about trophy hunting or hunters. As for throwing a Fellow Hunter under the Bus, if they are Pouching, Hunting illegally, Being unsafe, hunting Drunk, They need to be under that Bus for all of us.
But I will Concede this to you, yes I did jump to a opinion with out all the facts, Bad part on me. But now that there is facts was he this purely innocent, mislead, unfortunate shot, I did not know, expert archer, 43 kill experienced Trophy Hunter?

 

[JustGuy]

I'm afraid we will never know the truth.

 

[adam32]

I'm afraid we will never know the truth.

Nope, we won't.

But we do know that if the lion didn't have a name and had just eaten a local then this would've never even made the news.

I also heard that recently the President of Zimbabwe had a birthday banquet he had a baby elephant slaughtered for it..."What happens if Africa stays in Africa, unless you are an American..."

 

[JustGuy]

Now they want to build a bronze statue of this bag of bones! No statue for murdered children but this flea infested rug, yes, very important, i guess America is the first one who is going to pick the tab for this heroically fallen animal. He deserves it.
Who is the first one to donate, take number boys.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-33808810