What's the word on Cecil the Lion?

[hunterdoug]

Question: are you a good PH?
Answer: hell yea I coaxed cecil off the sancuary, I can coax a kitty out of the womb!

 

[P304X4]

And now the "Z" boys want to extradite Palmer.

 

[P304X4]

And so the escalation has begun.....

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...n-finds-himself-in-a-legal-thicket/ar-BBlhmgY

 

[Revo2811]

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[THE ROMAN ARCHER]

Like I said a can of worms has opened up......
And social media is so strong now days it totaly dictates and influences and sways and puts pressure on politicians and political high potitioned officials and law enforcement and world leaders to do the will of the people right or wrong because nobody wants to look like the bad guy now days because they fear the power of the people...
It reminds of Rome when Juliette Ceasar ruled and they had Gladiators compitition s and when a gladiator had his advisory down and defeated it would be the crowds voice that would influence Ceasers decision to spare or not spare the life of a gladiator by simply thumbs up or thumbs down, enough said...

And if an extradition can only be decided by the sectrary of state i dont believe John Kerry would throw him back to the wolf's in Zimbabwe.......tra

 

[P304X4]

John Kerry would throw his own mother to the wolves if it would make him look good and increase his political power.

 

[THE ROMAN ARCHER]

I herd this morning since the 90's since the United States has had an extradition agreement with Zimbabwe no one has ever been extradited from rhe U.S. back to Zimbabwe.......tra

 

[fishnhunt21]

TRA...
It reminds of Rome when Juliette Ceasar ruled and they had Gladiators compitition s and when a gladiator had his advisory down and defeated it would be the crowds voice that would influence Ceasers decision to spare or not spare the life of a gladiator by simply thumbs up or thumbs down, enough said...

Damn! You're hella old!!! Did you ever get to meet Spartacus?

I have had two family members unfriend me on FB. They seem to think that hunters and their fees and have nothing to do with the conservation of wildlife. Show me a photographer who is going to pay 30k plus to take a pic of a lion. They lump poachers and hunters together and I myself think the dentist may have toed the line, but so be it. I just blame the tree huggers and lion lovers for making Cecil comfortable with humans and knowing humans=food.

 

[dustin ray]

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[Common Sense]

Great post Dustin.

 

[JustGuy]

Yesterday while rabbit hunting with MHP we discussed this issue, and he offered a very sober thought:
"everyday in Africa 1,000s of women and children got brutally murdered, raped, misplaced, but no one gives a dead rat's a...s about it, but this s...t, they are going to crucify him for this bag of s...t and bones"

 

[P304X4]

Great post Dustin.

X2 lol

 

[dustin ray]

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[OPAH]

Just because they got the carcass doesn't mean the got the hide cape and head, they left the Carcass laying there with a Arrow stuck in its ass and a rifle shot to the heart. Yes in deed thats a trophy

 

[MariotheBarber]

I tell you what boys, if you ever want to read about some old school lion hunting read "The Man-Eaters of Tsavo" by John Patterson... That guy was a real man, and those lions were vicious bastards. A good book to read if your into hunting.

 

[adam32]

Just because they got the carcass doesn't mean the got the hide cape and head, they left the Carcass laying there with a Arrow stuck in its ass and a rifle shot to the heart. Yes in deed thats a trophy

Is that a fact? Or just your opinion since you've thought he's guilty and a terrible hunter from the beginning?

 

[Bubblehide]

Is that a fact? Or just your opinion since you've thought he's guilty and a terrible hunter from the beginning?

Obviously that ^^^ is a rhetorical question voiced out of misplaced anger. But frankly I have not seen any real facts from you. So what do we know, well with the second Dr. now accused of a similar offense, we know that Zimbabwe has some serious issues with their hunting guide program, and they are attempting to capitalize and focus the blame with the clients, instead of where much of it really belongs, with unethical guides. But we also know that this particular hunter was "trophy hunting". Now I hate to use the therm hunting, because IMNSHO, I would never call it hunting. For me, hunting involves ethics; and this supposed "hunter", allowed the carcass (the meat) to rot. Hes was focused on one thing, another trophy hanging on his wall, and to hell with being an ethical hunter, to hell with being sure the meat does not go to waste (wanton waste). Nope, this guy was not hunting, he was after a trophy, no matter what it took, that is clear. What isn't clear is the degree of involvement and knowledge he had of the illegal activities he participated in. After all, Based on Media reports, the lion had a tracking collar, and someone attempted to hide the tracking collar. Was this, Dentist involved in coaxing the Animal off the park grounds, was he there and did he know that he couldn't shoot the animal there in the park. If he was, clearly he should have then been questioning the legitimacy of the hunt, his guides... If he was aware of suspicious of any of this, and he should of been if was there in the park, then clearly he is nothing but a poacher. We also know that he plead guilty to killing a bear in a closed area in Wisconsin, and involved in moving the bear (once dead) to an open area, and falsifying documents stating that the bear was killed in the open area. Those documents required his signature, so there was no way he was unaware of this violation. So in short, we know that this "hunter", if you can even call him that, is clearly willing to not only bend the regulation, but clearly break them, to get what he wants. Frankly, IMNSHO, the guides/outfitter hold the vast majority of the blame, but if he was aware of any of the hunt possibly being illegal, he should fry right alongside the guides/outfitter. Granted that is MNSHO, but it also includes the actual known facts. The guy is simply a black eye on all hunters despite if he was aware of the hunt being illegal or not; why, because he clearly possesses no ethics.

 

[P304X4]

Obviously that ^^^ is a rhetorical question voiced out of misplaced anger. But frankly I have seen any real facts from you. So what do we know, well with the second Dr. now accused of a similar offense, we know that Zimbabwe has some serious issues with their hunting guide program, and they are attempting to capitalize and focus the blame with the clients, instead of where much of it really belongs, with unethical guides. But we also know that this particular hunter was "trophy hunting". Now I hate to use the therm hunting, because IMNSHO, I would never call it hunting. For me, hunting involves ethics; and this supposed "hunter", allowed the carcass (the meat) to rot. Hes was focused on one thing, another trophy hanging on his wall, and to hell with being an ethical hunter, to hell with being sure the meat does not go to waste (wanton waste). Nope, this guy was not hunting, he was after a trophy, no matter what it took, that is clear. What isn't clear is the degree of involvement and knowledge he had of the illegal activities he participated in. After all, Based on Media reports, the lion had a tracking collar, and someone attempted to hide the tracking collar. Was this, Dentist involved in coaxing the Animal off the park grounds, was he there and did he know that he couldn't shoot the animal there in the park. If he was, clearly he should have then been questioning the legitimacy of the hunt, his guides... If he was aware of suspicious of any of this, and he should of been if was there in the park, then clearly he is nothing but a poacher. We also know that he plead guilty to killing a bear in a closed area in Wisconsin, and involved in moving the bear (once dead) to an open area, and falsifying documents stating that the bear was killed in the open area. Those documents required his signature, so there was no way he was unaware of this violation. So in short, we know that this "hunter", if you can even call him that, is clearly willing to not only bend the regulation, but clearly break them, to get what he wants. Frankly, IMNSHO, the guides/outfitter hold the vast majority of the blame, but if he was aware of any of the hunt possibly being illegal, he should fry right alongside the guides/outfitter. Granted that is MNSHO, but it also includes the actual known facts. The guy is simply a black eye on all hunters despite if he was aware of the hunt being illegal or not; why, because he clearly possesses no ethics.

X2

 

[JustGuy]

Bubblehide,
I have to agree and disagree on some of your statements
1. About this Adam32, you are 100% right, he is only the wind trying to raise some dust and draw attention. Not worth discussing nor replying.

2. According to your definition, many hunters, including some respectable members of this forum, should not be included in "hunter" society since they leave meat to rot. For instance, coyote, ground squirrel, crow, racoons etc. Do you think it is right to strip them off their title.?:rotflmao:

3. This guy knew exactly what he wanted, and to get this he hired shady guides instead of a good company with good reputation. In order to get what he wanted he payed extra price to poachers to help him to achieve his goal. He is experienced Africa hunter, he knew exactly whom to hire.

 

[Bubblehide]

Justguy, good point. I was refering to game animals.